Jesus did not say follow preachers, He said follow Me.

[Relic]

Hello Relic, thanks for clarifying that for me (and sorry for taking so long to get back to you).

So, you believe that the words that were actually spoken by Jesus in the NT, as well the Decalogue in the OT, of course, make up the entirety of the "God-breathed"/"God-inspired" word of God, and that the rest of the Bible (the Apostles' "Epistles", as well all of the words in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts that are ~not~ printed with red ink, + the vast majority of the OT) is simply a collection of man's best musings about the Divine

This is going to seem a bit of an odd question, but if you do not believe that the Bible, as a whole, is the inspired word of God ( that the Holy Spirit superintended its writing, from cover to cover), then how can you be sure that the words in red are actually Jesus' words After all, every word in the Bible, even the ones in red ink, were written by men, not by God.

Thanks!

~Deut

would you just show me where I did not believe the entire bible. cuz I surely don't remember it and I don't agree with that I trust scripture, yes.

 

[Relic]

I believe we need to have Relic spell out what it is that he disagrees with in Paul's writings.

Relic has stated that it is not a sin for him to disagree with Paul, yet Relic will not specify what it is that is so disagreeable to him ...

In Post #28, Relic stated (referring to Scripture other than the gospels) "They are there to help and guide us and accept their assistance or not accept it".

In Post #40, Relic stated "As I say I follow Paul in his help for my beginning in Christianity. But it is not a sin for me to disagree with Paul."

In Post #51, Relic stated "I stand by all I have posted to date."

In Post #78, Relic stated "we are now living under grace and not the law. at no time or placed did I say we should get rid of his letters. we are to use them as guides and not laws."

In Post #82, Relic stated "I have a right to disagree with whoever I want without penalty."



I have asked Relic to let us know what he disagrees with in Paul's writings (Post #75). However, Relic will not state what he disagrees with.

And it might be that Relic does not disagree with what was written by Paul, and what he disagrees with is that some people continue to hold themselves under law in their handling of Scripture.

But Relic needs to clarify because it is one thing to consider Scripture as "there to help and guide us and accept their assistance or not accept it" --- not true.

and it is another thing to disagree with people who continue under law in handling Scripture --- true.


@Relic, please clarify. thanks.

I will clarify your question this way. You are living in the flesh and I am living in the Spirit as Paul writes once we surrender to God we are a new creation so God is in me and I am in Him. This is scripture in 1 Corinthians,
I don't remember saying I disagree with Paul but I will agree you saw it. show me where there is a penalty for
not believing any of the letter writings. I probably don't disagree with him, more likely it is it is not important to me.

by the way you third millennium Pharisees have peppered me with questions that I have answered to the best
of my ability. you would have no idea of the Spirit so you wouldn't know that when you living in the heart of God,
His answers don't require words. you should recall the Pharisees question every word Jesus said...why?
because they did not understand being in the Spirit. and they even so desperate they had to kill Jesus.
I am with God as I have been with Him since He called me. You don't understand me one bit so you need to
continue asking me questions. I can I sure you that I dwell in the Lord's house every moment of the day and
I will continue to be with Him in the next world. you and your friends have been very mean to me and I do
not deserve it if I decide that something isn't of value I pass it over. Be assured my journey to God's mansion
is never going to be in doubt...sadly, I think yours might be. Even Jesus did not go on to His sermons and
parables with a scroll and site His information word for word of scripture...so you and your pals should just get off my back. because in my life I have been where you are but you will never be what I am. I mean accepting
what you are trying to say would be going backwards for me.

 

[Scribe]

I will clarify your question this way. You are living in the flesh and I am living in the Spirit as Paul writes once we surrender to God we are a new creation so God is in me and I am in Him. This is scripture in 1 Corinthians,
I don't remember saying I disagree with Paul but I will agree you saw it. show me where there is a penalty for
not believing any of the letter writings. I probably don't disagree with him, more likely it is it is not important to me.

by the way you third millennium Pharisees have peppered me with questions that I have answered to the best
of my ability. you would have no idea of the Spirit so you wouldn't know that when you living in the heart of God,
His answers don't require words. you should recall the Pharisees question every word Jesus said...why?
because they did not understand being in the Spirit. and they even so desperate they had to kill Jesus.
I am with God as I have been with Him since He called me. You don't understand me one bit so you need to
continue asking me questions. I can I sure you that I dwell in the Lord's house every moment of the day and
I will continue to be with Him in the next world. you and your friends have been very mean to me and I do
not deserve it if I decide that something isn't of value I pass it over. Be assured my journey to God's mansion
is never going to be in doubt...sadly, I think yours might be. Even Jesus did not go on to His sermons and
parables with a scroll and site His information word for word of scripture...so you and your pals should just get off my back. because in my life I have been where you are but you will never be what I am. I mean accepting
what you are trying to say would be going backwards for me.

You started the thread with
"So many are told that Paul's writings are laws but they are not laws.... is like those verse are the authority. Well they are not..."

And you did not expect to be told you were in error? Your plan was to ignore the rebuttals and say "Stop being mean to me"?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I will clarify your question this way. You are living in the flesh and I am living in the Spirit

uh ... ok ... and you can make that statement because you know me so well???

perhaps it is you who is "living in the flesh" while claiming that everyone who questions you is carnal/fleshly.

as Paul writes once we surrender to God we are a new creation so God is in me and I am in Him. This is scripture in 1 Corinthians,

please post the Scripture. thanks.

I don't remember saying I disagree with Paul but I will agree you saw it.

That is why I asked you to clarify.

If you do disagree with Paul, can you please provide Scripture reference and specify what it is you disagree with?

show me where there is a penalty for
not believing any of the letter writings.

Peter says those who are unlearned and unstable twist Paul's writings, as well as other scripture, to their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his [Paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I probably don't disagree with him, more likely it is it is not important to me.

if Scripture is "not important to [you]" it might be that you are "living in the flesh".

by the way you third millennium Pharisees have peppered me with questions that I have answered to the best
of my ability.

name-calling ... a low-form debate tactic of those who are unable to engage in meaningful dialogue.

you would have no idea of the Spirit so you wouldn't know that when you living in the heart of God,
His answers don't require words.

Again ... you know me so well that you can claim I "have no idea of the Spirit"???

you should recall the Pharisees question every word Jesus said...why?

Are you placing yourself in the place of Jesus so that anyone who questions you is a "pharisee"???

because they did not understand being in the Spirit. and they even so desperate they had to kill Jesus.

um ... you do recall that Jesus told His disciples that the Comforter could not come until He went away, yes (John 16:7)?

Since that is the case, how could they understand "being in the Spirit".

I am with God as I have been with Him since He called me. You don't understand me one bit so you need to
continue asking me questions. I can I sure you that I dwell in the Lord's house every moment of the day and
I will continue to be with Him in the next world. you and your friends have been very mean to me and I do
not deserve it if I decide that something isn't of value I pass it over. Be assured my journey to God's mansion
is never going to be in doubt...sadly, I think yours might be.

Look. Relic, you have been a member of this site for a little over a month. You do not know me and you do not know my walk in the Lord, nor do you know the walk of others who are members of this site.

You need to get over the fact that there are many here who walk in the Lord and they know Scripture and they know how to discern between right and wrong according to Scripture.

It is okay to be reproved and exhorted by brothers and sisters in Christ. We are all here to help each other and we are all headed to the same place.

As far as my being "very mean to you", please point out the post wherein I was mean. thank you.

Even Jesus did not go on to His sermons and
parables with a scroll and site His information word for word of scripture...so you and your pals should just get off my back. because in my life I have been where you are but you will never be what I am. I mean accepting
what you are trying to say would be going backwards for me.

When Jesus was tempted of the devil, His exact words were "It is written" and if that was good enough for Him, I'm going to follow His example.

And I am thankful for other believers requesting that Scripture be adhered to. If we leave Scripture behind, we may just end up being tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14).

 

[Blain]

I will clarify your question this way. You are living in the flesh and I am living in the Spirit as Paul writes once we surrender to God we are a new creation so God is in me and I am in Him. This is scripture in 1 Corinthians,
I don't remember saying I disagree with Paul but I will agree you saw it. show me where there is a penalty for
not believing any of the letter writings. I probably don't disagree with him, more likely it is it is not important to me.

by the way you third millennium Pharisees have peppered me with questions that I have answered to the best
of my ability. you would have no idea of the Spirit so you wouldn't know that when you living in the heart of God,
His answers don't require words. you should recall the Pharisees question every word Jesus said...why?
because they did not understand being in the Spirit. and they even so desperate they had to kill Jesus.
I am with God as I have been with Him since He called me. You don't understand me one bit so you need to
continue asking me questions. I can I sure you that I dwell in the Lord's house every moment of the day and
I will continue to be with Him in the next world. you and your friends have been very mean to me and I do
not deserve it if I decide that something isn't of value I pass it over. Be assured my journey to God's mansion
is never going to be in doubt...sadly, I think yours might be. Even Jesus did not go on to His sermons and
parables with a scroll and site His information word for word of scripture...so you and your pals should just get off my back. because in my life I have been where you are but you will never be what I am. I mean accepting
what you are trying to say would be going backwards for me.

Relic I do not think you are a red letter Christian and I do believe you are saved but something you need to understand about this site is that regardless if your being attacked questioned and hazed or misunderstood by others responding in the way you did never helps, I understand you are getting frustrated and I have been there but calling people these things and responding in an agitated state only leads to more conflict.

I have been harassed and attacked plenty on here but I always respond as patient and as mature as I can because even though sometimes people simply cannot be reasoned with at the very least the fruits of your heart will show itself. I do think you have been misundered but at the same time many here have also been civil and asked you to clairify and I know you have tried so I will go back to your original post and try to navigate through the posts to better explain what your saying

 

[Blain]

Ok see this right here You are living in the flesh and I am living in the Spirit This is not how you respond I know Reneweddaybyday and I can say for certain he/she does not live in the flesh. In this post and in several other I noticed by you you show a bit to much pride and arrogance and more assumptions of people than I would like to see

Everyone I think the issue here is on both sides of the debate, I think perhaps Relic tried but is not the greatest at explaining himself and also on the other end the perspective of what he is saying seems to be influencing what we understand he is saying.
Now from what I understand he is not saying Pauls letters are not scripture or true, he is not a red letter Christian either but he is saying that we can put to much stack in in an authority view in people in Pauls letters in preacher ect. He is correct in saying that Pauls letters are guidelines as is most scripture the bible is the authority it is God breathed it is holy and sacred but it also is a guidebook for the believer meaning it is our example but it is for us to choose to follow it or not he does not force anything on us.

I think perhaps saying it is not law was not the best way to explain the op, we are commanded to follow it but again we have to choose to do so there are plenty of commandments we are all commanded to obey yet we fail at doings so at times because we are human we can choose to not do it we are not perfect and are sinners.

As to why he chose to say this about Paul in particular I do not know I think it would have been a much better thing to not speak of any one person in particualr and simply make the point of the op for authority figures in general because I think speaking of Paul in particular made a misrepresentation of the message in the op itself and set in peoples minds he was attacking Paul and from then on with this mindset everything just went haywire

I may be wrong in my understanding of all of this but from I have seen this is what happened and yes Relic did respond in ways he probably shouldn't have but this is not uncommon in the bdf even for the most seasoned of believers.
Relic if I am correct in my understanding of your original message in that we are to follow Jesus not any one person of authority in Christ as I used the verse in my early post about people saying they fallow Peter or they follow Paul and Paul makes it a point that they follow Jesus and not to hold any of the them in higher p[osition because they are merely man then perhaps it would be better next time to relay the message in a different way not naming anyone in particular as to not cause confusion or a misunderstanding of the message.

Because it seems instead of seeing the message itself everyone saw what you said with Paul and that became the focus of the message.

 

[Blik]

It's disappointing that you don't understand the New Covenant. The Pharisees didn't have the Holy Spirit, so they were teachers of the law. Jesus said that He would give us the Holy spirit, who would guide us into all truth.

The church as a whole does not understand the new covenant. Scripture tells us the old is obsolete, the church tells us it is cancelled, big difference. Does that mean, do you think, that the church today does not have the Holy Spirit?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Because it seems instead of seeing the message itself everyone saw what you said with Paul and that became the focus of the message.

Blain ... here is what Relic said in OP:


"Every time verses get peppered on to the screen, is like those verse are the authority. Well they are not and maybe
you should start telling your pastors that. We are on this earth to follow God and God is our
only. ( period)"


Do you understand that Relic is telling us that Scripture is not the authority? I believe no one is in agreement with this statement.


Relic tells us that "we are on this earth to follow God and God is our only" ... I believe everyone is in agreement with this statement.


But when Relic separates God's Word from God, our following God becomes subjective. We can read God's Word and decide that we're not going to do what God tells us in His Word to do (or do what God tells us not to do) and that is still "following God". This is not "following God".


Following God is reading God's Word to find out what is His Will and then living our lives in light of what He reveals in His Word.


And sometimes this is not easy to do because there might be areas in our lives where we need to let things go and if we hold on to things God wants us to let go of, that is not following God ... that is following our flesh. And when we find ourselves struggling with what God tells us in His Word, that is when we need to turn to the Lord and allow the Holy Spirit to work within us to rid us of our fleshly inclinations so we are unhindered in our walk in the Lord.

 

[Blain]

Blain ... here is what Relic said in OP:


"Every time verses get peppered on to the screen, is like those verse are the authority. Well they are not and maybe
you should start telling your pastors that. We are on this earth to follow God and God is our
only. ( period)"


Do you understand that Relic is telling us that Scripture is not the authority? I believe no one is in agreement with this statement.


Relic tells us that "we are on this earth to follow God and God is our only" ... I believe everyone is in agreement with this statement.


But when Relic separates God's Word from God, our following God becomes subjective. We can read God's Word and decide that we're not going to do what God tells us in His Word to do (or do what God tells us not to do) and that is still "following God". This is not "following God".


Following God is reading God's Word to find out what is His Will and then living our lives in light of what He reveals in His Word.


And sometimes this is not easy to do because there might be areas in our lives where we need to let things go and if we hold on to things God wants us to let go of, that is not following God ... that is following our flesh. And when we find ourselves struggling with what God tells us in His Word, that is when we need to turn to the Lord and allow the Holy Spirit to work within us to rid us of our fleshly inclinations so we are unhindered in our walk in the Lord.

Oh ok I think I understand now my apologies. It is true we are to follow God but we also cannot think that the scriptures are any less than God's word itself it is God breathed alive and I have personally seen the power it that flows through those pages. If relic is not understanding that the scriptures are just as in authority as God himself then I suppose I was the one who misunderstood him and for that I apologize. I do think Relic has a good heart but perhaps he needs to better understand the importance of scripture.

 

[Relic]

uh ... ok ... and you can make that statement because you know me so well???

perhaps it is you who is "living in the flesh" while claiming that everyone who questions you is carnal/fleshly.





please post the Scripture. thanks.





That is why I asked you to clarify.

If you do disagree with Paul, can you please provide Scripture reference and specify what it is you disagree with?





Peter says those who are unlearned and unstable twist Paul's writings, as well as other scripture, to their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his [Paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.





if Scripture is "not important to [you]" it might be that you are "living in the flesh".





name-calling ... a low-form debate tactic of those who are unable to engage in meaningful dialogue.





Again ... you know me so well that you can claim I "have no idea of the Spirit"???





Are you placing yourself in the place of Jesus so that anyone who questions you is a "pharisee"???





um ... you do recall that Jesus told His disciples that the Comforter could not come until He went away, yes (John 16:7)?

Since that is the case, how could they understand "being in the Spirit".





Look. Relic, you have been a member of this site for a little over a month. You do not know me and you do not know my walk in the Lord, nor do you know the walk of others who are members of this site.

You need to get over the fact that there are many here who walk in the Lord and they know Scripture and they know how to discern between right and wrong according to Scripture.

It is okay to be reproved and exhorted by brothers and sisters in Christ. We are all here to help each other and we are all headed to the same place.

As far as my being "very mean to you", please point out the post wherein I was mean. thank you.





When Jesus was tempted of the devil, His exact words were "It is written" and if that was good enough for Him, I'm going to follow His example.

And I am thankful for other believers requesting that Scripture be adhered to. If we leave Scripture behind, we may just end up being tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14).

Going on with this is not beneficial to either of us so for me this will be my last post and I will leave the rest as it stands except to say I am over 70 and God found me. I was not looking for Him. I had a long term in bible study.
I was deep into all what you are. I am saved and have utmost faith I will be in God's mansion. So this Christian
life is about being here and now. That is to live in the heart of God. So what you are espousing is of no value
to me because I am living in the Spirit of God. I communicate with God only and often and I will continue
to have and intimate relationship with Him. Any further communication from you will be ignored.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Oh ok I think I understand now my apologies. It is true we are to follow God but we also cannot think that the scriptures are any less than God's word itself it is God breathed alive and I have personally seen the power it that flows through those pages. If relic is not understanding that the scriptures are just as in authority as God himself then I suppose I was the one who misunderstood him and for that I apologize. I do think Relic has a good heart but perhaps he needs to better understand the importance of scripture.

No apology needed, Blain. We're all trying to understand what it is that Relic is trying to say.

And, yes, in agreement that God's Word is God breathed and alive. I am so blessed to see that you personally experienced the power that flows through its pages. Isn't God just the best!!!???

Hopefully Relic will see that God's Word is vital to us and will see what Jeremiah saw in Scripture:

Jeremiah 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Going on with this is not beneficial to either of us so for me this will be my last post and I will leave the rest as it stands except to say I am over 70 and God found me. I was not looking for Him. I had a long term in bible study.
I was deep into all what you are. I am saved and have utmost faith I will be in God's mansion. So this Christian
life is about being here and now. That is to live in the heart of God. So what you are espousing is of no value
to me because I am living in the Spirit of God. I communicate with God only and often and I will continue
to have and intimate relationship with Him. Any further communication from you will be ignored.

Just don't ignore God's Word.

As far as you being "deep into all what [ I ] am" ... how can you even begin to know, having become a member just a little over a month ago?

As far as placing me on "ignore", read 1 Cor 12:

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

 

[jaybo]

Relic, this would be a good time for you to surrender your heart to Jesus Christ completely and to embrace the bible as the divinely inspired word of God from Genesis to Revelation.
2 Tim 3:1All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work


If you preach what Paul preached you can expect someone to misapply and misinterpret judgment scriptures at you. They are conditioned to this reaction from cultural responses of those who do not understand the judgment verses. We are called to warn people of the judgment to come. Your DO NOT JUDGE responses do not scare me away from preaching the whole counsel of God including telling people that if they believe they do not have to follow what Paul said because he is not Jesus they are on the highway to hell. For SURE. TURN BACK NOW. before it is too late.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 cor 6:9-10) PAUL

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21) PAUL

If you want to set yourself up as the judge of people you can expect the same fate as the Pharisees. Even though they knew the Scriptures thoroughly they applied them to other people. I suggest that you read this section of Luke...

Luke 18:9-14, "To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Also, James 3:1, "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

I would advise you to examine yourself and your attitude toward others.

 

[jaybo]

Going on with this is not beneficial to either of us so for me this will be my last post and I will leave the rest as it stands except to say I am over 70 and God found me. I was not looking for Him. I had a long term in bible study.
I was deep into all what you are. I am saved and have utmost faith I will be in God's mansion. So this Christian
life is about being here and now. That is to live in the heart of God. So what you are espousing is of no value
to me because I am living in the Spirit of God. I communicate with God only and often and I will continue
to have and intimate relationship with Him. Any further communication from you will be ignored.

You said, " I communicate with God only and often and I will continue to have and intimate relationship with Him." Yet here you are posting on this forum.

Do you think that you alone communicate with God and that you are infallible? It sure seems that way -- to yourself at least.

 

[Blain]

No apology needed, Blain. We're all trying to understand what it is that Relic is trying to say.

And, yes, in agreement that God's Word is God breathed and alive. I am so blessed to see that you personally experienced the power that flows through its pages. Isn't God just the best!!!???

Hopefully Relic will see that God's Word is vital to us and will see what Jeremiah saw in Scripture:

Jeremiah 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

I forgot about that verse, in my first week of being saved I experienced that very thing I just devoured the word it was as if my soul was being fed good food and was being satisfied kind of how when your body is lacking nutrients even the most simple foods replesnished you and tastes better than it normally would. however as much as I love his word after that week when I had my fill I never experienced that again idk why.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I forgot about that verse, in my first week of being saved I experienced that very thing I just devoured the word it was as if my soul was being fed good food and was being satisfied kind of how when your body is lacking nutrients even the most simple foods replesnished you and tastes better than it normally would. however as much as I love his word after that week when I had my fill I never experienced that again idk why.

I think when we first come to know the Lord, everything we read in Scripture is "new" to us and fresh.

As we continue to read and absorb and feed on God's Word, we begin to hold His Word in our hearts and in our minds and we begin to live it.

Continuing over years and decades as we continue in study, it's more of a refresher than a first time read.

God's Word is still as vital to me as the first time I read it, but it is more of a reminder ... and as we learn more Scripture, the Holy Spirit works within us to bring Scripture to our remembrance as we go about our daily lives.

We've all seen great movies and the first time we watch one, it's new and fresh. The second, third, etc. time we watch, it's still a great movie ... just not as fresh. Kind of a poor example because nothing compares to Scripture, but I hope I'm getting the point across and, of course, this is jmho.

 

[Relic]

Relic I do not think you are a red letter Christian and I do believe you are saved but something you need to understand about this site is that regardless if your being attacked questioned and hazed or misunderstood by others responding in the way you did never helps, I understand you are getting frustrated and I have been there but calling people these things and responding in an agitated state only leads to more conflict.

I have been harassed and attacked plenty on here but I always respond as patient and as mature as I can because even though sometimes people simply cannot be reasoned with at the very least the fruits of your heart will show itself. I do think you have been misundered but at the same time many here have also been civil and asked you to clairify and I know you have tried so I will go back to your original post and try to navigate through the posts to better explain what your saying

I have absolutely no idea what a red letter Christian is. I believe I am just a Christian. Thanks for your comments
and you are right I am too soft and when someone attacks it hurts me. Tell you a quick story:

In 1988 at age 43 I was up skiing I suffered a heart attack. It was in the lower descending artery.
Doc said there was a small percentage of survival but God pulled me true. I was already Christian
at the time. So I survived. 5 years later I had a cardiac arrest, meaning dead on arrival but with
remarkable circumstances against all odds God brought me through. I then had to wear an implanted
defibrillator which shocks your heart when it stops. So I wore that about 12 years until the time when
my heart was like a balloon and useless. So I had a choice, medication or Heart transplant. I felt like
that choice was no choice, I would take the transplant choice. My prayer to God was Lord they are wheeling
me to put me to sleep. When I wake up I will either be here or I will be in heaven; either way Lord I will be
with you. So by the grace of God I remained here, for better or worse. It wasn't easy. Although I didn't
know any of this, my transplanted heart would start and stop a few times. The surgeon said there is nothing
we can do but my cardiologist didn't want to stop....so while they were discussing with all the wires un hooked,
on its own it started beating. That was over twelve years ago and it hasn't missed a beat. My borrowed heart
has done great for. My point is that God has done great things for me and I love him dearly just as if He was
alive with me. I have an unbridled love for Him. So I try to share it with others without them knowing the
inside of it of course. So I have surrendered to God and I am living in the Spirit. As Paul said in 2 Corrinthians
when we surrender to God, we are no longer in the flesh. but we are in the Spirit. Life is beautiful here and
I could never go back. The joy of intimacy with God is Beyond words. But once in a while I come for some
fellowship. So as I take my example, of course without anyone knowing the above. So I like to express to them
that there is a better way than having your nose in a book, to have life and have it in abundance scripture say.
Then someone comes along and starts throwing verses at me and says I'm devilish, it bothered me. It won't
happen again, I won't get drawn in. I've been initiate now after the last month or two. Thanks for hearing.

 

[Blain]

I have absolutely no idea what a red letter Christian is. I believe I am just a Christian. Thanks for your comments
and you are right I am too soft and when someone attacks it hurts me. Tell you a quick story:

In 1988 at age 43 I was up skiing I suffered a heart attack. It was in the lower descending artery.
Doc said there was a small percentage of survival but God pulled me true. I was already Christian
at the time. So I survived. 5 years later I had a cardiac arrest, meaning dead on arrival but with
remarkable circumstances against all odds God brought me through. I then had to wear an implanted
defibrillator which shocks your heart when it stops. So I wore that about 12 years until the time when
my heart was like a balloon and useless. So I had a choice, medication or Heart transplant. I felt like
that choice was no choice, I would take the transplant choice. My prayer to God was Lord they are wheeling
me to put me to sleep. When I wake up I will either be here or I will be in heaven; either way Lord I will be
with you. So by the grace of God I remained here, for better or worse. It wasn't easy. Although I didn't
know any of this, my transplanted heart would start and stop a few times. The surgeon said there is nothing
we can do but my cardiologist didn't want to stop....so while they were discussing with all the wires un hooked,
on its own it started beating. That was over twelve years ago and it hasn't missed a beat. My borrowed heart
has done great for. My point is that God has done great things for me and I love him dearly just as if He was
alive with me. I have an unbridled love for Him. So I try to share it with others without them knowing the
inside of it of course. So I have surrendered to God and I am living in the Spirit. As Paul said in 2 Corrinthians
when we surrender to God, we are no longer in the flesh. but we are in the Spirit. Life is beautiful here and
I could never go back. The joy of intimacy with God is Beyond words. But once in a while I come for some
fellowship. So as I take my example, of course without anyone knowing the above. So I like to express to them
that there is a better way than having your nose in a book, to have life and have it in abundance scripture say.
Then someone comes along and starts throwing verses at me and says I'm devilish, it bothered me. It won't
happen again, I won't get drawn in. I've been initiate now after the last month or two. Thanks for hearing.

Wow now that needs to be made a testimony And yes I also was like that to soft and easily bruised so much so I began to not say what I really believe or think just to not be attacked but you will find that after being in heated debates for a time you begin to thicken your skin.

 

[Pulie]

I believe he is talking about how we put to much emphasis in Pauls writings and in preachers, if Paul were alive right now I bet he would say to people to not idolize the words he writes because it is in Christ the glory is to be given , and not to worship men who teach but worship he who is man and God and the great teacher-or something like that. I don't make a good PaulXD

1Cor1:11-13
"My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mea

i am not completely clear on what he's saying so i'm asking questions

i don't think the passage means the epistles are "optional" -- both Saul and Apollos spoke of Christ, and IMO, if you love Christ, you want to read and keep everything in scripture about Him. that's what makes scripture, "scripture" -- the fact that it is about Him. that's what He says in John 5:39 ((bonus points! i cited something from the gospels instead of any other part of scripture!)) -- He says these are they which testify of Him, and says we're supposed to search them for Him.
what Paul writes is about, is Christ. what Matthew writes about, is Christ. what John writes about. what Moses writes about. what the prophets write about, what Luke writes about, what Solomon & David write about, is Christ.

IMO the passage you put for us to remember, says Apollos and and Paul are servants of Christ, assigned by Him to be -- and what their assignment is, is to teach us about Christ. we have writings from Paul; God determined that we should. so what sense is it to set that aside like it's different from what the same LORD assigned to Mark to write?


and btw -- we **might** have something from Apollos. i know that the majority opinion is that Hebrews was written by Paul, but it's possible it was Apollos - one thing that's pointed out as evidence that it's possibly Paul's work is the depth of knowledge about the Law, which is something Paul also displays in his letters. but of Apollos it's said in Acts 18:24 that he was 'mighty in the scriptures' and that he was arguing in the synagogues and no one could oppose him. so he also understood the Messiah in the OT, and it was two disciples converted through Paul who taught him about the revelation of Christ and the gift of the Spirit, so if there are similarities in Hebrews with the qualities of Paul's discourses, that could be explained by the gospel having been explained more accurately to Apollos through Paul, via Priscilla & Aquila. it's said in the same part of Acts that Apollos greatly helped those who had believed through grace -- so he also is indicated by the things in Hebrews, the explanation of the grace of God through the Son, in the same way Paul is.

i'd like for Hebrews to be Apollos' writing. i think he is such an interesting character in the Bible; i love him. the book doesn't tell us who it was that wrote it down; it may not be, and most people, people who are a lot more knowledgeable on the subjects than me, think it wasn't. but it may be. there's a 'maybe'

You see yourself in Apollos and that's why you like him. Same personality I guess.

 

[Blain]

1Cor1:11-13
"My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mea

You see yourself in Apollos and that's why you like him. Same personality I guess.

I took a fun christian personality test to see who I am most like in the bible it said I am like Moses the results said
You are the sacrificial leader that’s always solving problems for others. You naturally are the leader in any group you’re on and God can trust you to walk in humility and be a conduit of His presence for others. You’re not easily given to pride and in fact regularly examine yourself to make sure that you haven’t fallen out of alignment of God’s will.
I was like... ummm yeah right a leader? me? XD