Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[bluto]

lol....have i said Jesus didnt hare His nature? some folks need to learn reading comprehension.

Yeah Jesus shared Gods Nature, but you know what? we are One With Jesus, Jesus One with God His nature is imparted to all His children, does that mean we are God? does a son who shares His fathers nature, is that making Him His father? or would He be the Son of His father? Gods Son, Jesus Christ very simple. thats where the Life is offered its not to say " Jesus is God" theres a reason the entire Gospel is about the Son of God. a reason John makes clear " Jesus is the Son of God" rather than spend yime correcting and arguing with people, this site would be alot better if we all heard first what was being Said. here very simply what im saying


john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.<<<<< now consider John saying very clearly this

f we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.


its the christian faith God sent Jesus, His only son, to save the World through Belief in the name of the Only begotten, Jesus. you can argue that fact, but its best to stick with this plain clear obvious true witness of God " That Jsus Christ is His Son, and eternal Life is only found in his son.


and if you have an issue with me talkking...why come to a post like this ? its really kind of pretty evident in the op, which was why i left it for people to consider, i would have been thrilled if it would have just been read and considered....... the way people approach others here in this forum, is not a christian way of doing things. i would have thought Gods witness in the op, Jesus witness all the apostles all that scripture may have at least made someone think...hmmmmmm

its really not that complicated. The Gospel is really clear, accept Jesus the Son of God have eternal Life. simple there is no reason to raise the wuestion " Is Jesus God?" the question is " Is Jesus Christ the Son of God?"

You followjesus are totally confused. I read your opening post and you said the following: "The Life offered from the One true God, who is the Father of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is found built upon accepting that God has an only begotten Son, that He sent into the World, to save us. there is no argument to this fact. sure "doubting thomas" says when He touches Jesus " My Lord and My God" and sure, the prohet says " He will be CALLED the mighty God, and eternal Father. thats just true some do call Him God, and the name of the Father still today passes to thier son."

Is Jesus Christ also the only true God, yes or no? What your doing in your post is telling us we have the same nature as Jesus Christ. Well, I have a news flash for you, our nature is that of human while Jesus Christ has two natures. One from His mothers side which is human and one from His Father's side which is Deity.

Why do you think that John 3:16 says that Jesus Christ is the one and only begotten Son of God? Christians are "adopted" sons of God, please read Galatians 4:4-7. We are "NOT" begotten sons of God, we are created sons of God. To beget is to become the father of; to create is to make. What's the difference? When you beget you beget something of the same kind as yourself. A man begets human babies and a dog begets other dogs. When you make, you make something of a differenct kind from yourself. What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man. This is why men are not sons of God in the same sense that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Again, we are adopted sons of God and Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God which means that Jesus Christ is equal to God and not less than God. In fact, Jesus Christ was crucified for the crime of blasphemy by making Himself equal with God His Father. Read John 5:18, John 8:58, John 10:30-39, John 19:7 and the trial of Jesus at Matthew 26:57-66.

At John 10:30 when Jesus said, "I and the Father, we are one" Jesus was not talking about them being one in purpose in this specific context even though they are one in purpose. Jesus was telling the Jews that He and the Father are one in nature. That is why the Jews took up stones "AGAIN" to stone Him. The Jews were not wanting to kill Him for being one in purpose with His Father. So followjesus, what did I say that you don't understand?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Zmouth]

You followjesus are totally confused.

If he is right then wouldn't you be the one totally confused?

Jesus was telling the Jews that He and the Father are one in nature.

Due you mean like how man is one in nature but different in form; [FONT=&quot]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them[/FONT][FONT=&quot] male and female. [/FONT] Since the male is not a female and the female is not a male, but the male and female are are both the 'man' that God that said, Let us make in our image after our likeness.

Seems the written word and the spoken word is still a word. I guess when the spoken word is written it becomes like the physical nature of flesh like written in 1 John 1:1-21 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

 

[bluto]

What do you mean "if" he is right? No he is not right, he is wrong just like you are wrong. Let me ask you straight out, is Jesus Christ God Almighty? Does the Bible teach that fact?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[miknik5]

If he is right then wouldn't you be the one totally confused?



Due you mean like how man is one in nature but different in form; And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. Since the male is not a female and the female is not a male, but the male and female are are both the 'man' that God that said, Let us make in our image after our likeness.

Seems the written word and the spoken word is still a word. I guess when the spoken word is written it becomes like the physical nature of flesh like written in 1 John 1:1-21 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

will you testify that all of 1 John 1 applies to all of us?

....because John didn't

(maybe followjesus is right and John is wrong?)


you might want to review all of 1 John 1
taking portions of the written word and leaving out other portions of the written word kind of distorts the TRUTH

 

[miknik5]

Can anyone testify before GOD that they are THE LIGHT of THE WORLD
That any man who folllws them will have the LIGHT of LIFE?

nope


i don't think so


1 John 1 in full context

 

[miknik5]

And if they do, not only wI'll John testify against them

so will the FATHER

 

[Stephen63]

Confusion in this thread, there is.

Some in opposition saying same things, they are.

A discerning heart, they need.

Longsuffering of their brethren, they're not.

 

[followjesus]

I do not see how anyone can not accept JESUS' begettal and birth as UNIQUE...of course it was. There has never been another like Jesus...so what is the argument ? Did the op say Jesus was not divine ?

lol it doesnt my friend, I guess folks cant accept that God sent His only begotten Son into the World. despite all the scripiturs so clearly there. ive actually said more than once in this thread " Jesus is divine, was with the Father before Creation....ect. i think the issue is the intention of the same groups. people were taught "Jesus is God the Father"

But to think that, automatically says " God has no son He sent into the World.

the simplest thing, becomes people not actually Hearing, because a person uses Scripture Like this so [plainly set forth By John

1 john 5:If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: ( the witness is the spirit v 6)

he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. << stuff Like thois is rejected because of trying to out think the Word and listening to those who "Out think the word"
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God

so does God have a Son? is His name Jesus? of course you know this, they cant Grasp Gods witness because you have to accept His Son in order to have it in you. ( 1john 5:6)

it stems from all Jesus says of keeping His word, thats the root issue with these folks too many gog books explaining how Jesus is the Father and Not the Son God sent into the World. the truth is that if people dont accept His Son Jesus , there is no eternal Life. its the message of the bIble God testifying of His Son.

its strange to me that Jesus is the Son of God appears throughout and " Jesus is God" doesnt appear 1 time. People cant accept the divinity of the Only son of God simply Because, He is the Son of God a human has a mortal Baby, so what is Gods Son? immortal. very simple when people get out of false doctrine Books and accept Gods witness. scripture should never be gathered one Here one there to try to make a message. Like above there in 1 john 5. its not peiced together its Just plain truth " this is the witness of God" very plain and really no one should go beyond things like that. it doesnt affect me though most of these kind of argue with any statement people make if its about Obeying Jesus.

 

[sisterclaudette]

I AGREE WITH YOU. Jesus refers to himself as Son of God so many times. How come ppl don't believe what he says???

 

[followjesus]

Confusion in this thread, there is.

Some in opposition saying same things, they are.

A discerning heart, they need.

Longsuffering of their brethren, they're not.

circular arguments are the way of some always leading back to " Grace grace" pastor prince said IT...... most of it is scripture thats where the opposition comes from, but wither way, im good because I accept Gods One and Only Son. the Christ, whos name is Jesus. simple stuff to me lol

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


that appears again and again as the op i would have thought, made pretty clear.... but maybe all that scripture needs the special grace goggles to understand, that God doesnt have a Son ??? not to sure, i think ill stick with Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God......and others should do the same.

 

[followjesus]

will you testify that all of 1 John 1 applies to all of us?

....because John didn't

(maybe followjesus is right and John is wrong?)


you might want to review all of 1 John 1
taking portions of the written word and leaving out other portions of the written word kind of distorts the TRUTH

its funny when people see clear scriptures how they begin to totally misrepresent things, because in thier Heart, they realize ...hey.. the Bible actually says Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God Maybe God the Father Sent His Son to save the World......think it through. and id say to a believer the entire word of God from Genesis to revealtion applies in some manner....but to believers that is

 

[followjesus]

I AGREE WITH YOU. Jesus refers to himself as Son of God so many times. How come ppl don't believe what he says???

its because of false doctrines and too many books that arent Gods Word. for some reason its far more popular to read a book and believe someones interpretation ( that has to sell to people) than it is to read the Bible and Believe it. im so glad i stay out of books and in the Word of God would recomend others do the same

its not only Jesus who says it, God spoke it Frome Heaven, and on the Mount, peter witnesses to it, johns gospel says " the reason these things have been written is so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" peter made that confession, and Jesus blesed Him for it and said " thois was revealed to you by My Father who is in Heaven....

its really the entire message of the new testament, and some of the Old. God bless you in the Name of Gods One and only on, Jesus

 

[followjesus]

What do you mean "if" he is right? No he is not right, he is wrong just like you are wrong. Let me ask you straight out, is Jesus Christ God Almighty? Does the Bible teach that fact?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

the bible teaches this, over and over and over and over again.....you should simply accept it because aternal Life is found in believing tha name of Gods One and Only begotten Son. thats what the gospel is all about.

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

thats a pretty important statement God bless tho, the Father of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the only begotten.

 

[graceNpeace]

the bible teaches this, over and over and over and over again.....you should simply accept it because aternal Life is found in believing tha name of Gods One and Only begotten Son. thats what the gospel is all about.

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

thats a pretty important statement God bless tho, the Father of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the only begotten.

And what does begotten mean?

 

[MattforJesus]

A man and a woman have a child,and the offspring would be begotten of them,a human.

The saints are adopted in to the kingdom,not begotten of God.

The Son is begotten,because God is literally the Father of the Son,for He is God manifest in flesh,the only human to be conceived of God,where the saints are not literally the children of God in a begotten way,but created a living soul,where Jesus is made a quickening spirit.

 

[graceNpeace]

A man and a woman have a child,and the offspring would be begotten of them,a human.

The saints are adopted in to the kingdom,not begotten of God.

The Son is begotten,because God is literally the Father of the Son,for He is God manifest in flesh,the only human to be conceived of God,where the saints are not literally the children of God in a begotten way,but created a living soul,where Jesus is made a quickening spirit.

The Greek word that is translated begotten DOES NOT MEAN "created" or "birthed", it means "unique"

This is the third time that I have made this point.
The whole thread is based on a wilful misinterpretation by the OP to try and "prove" that Jesus is not God, and not eternal.

 

[followjesus]

You followjesus are totally confused. I read your opening post and you said the following: "The Life offered from the One true God, who is the Father of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is found built upon accepting that God has an only begotten Son, that He sent into the World, to save us. there is no argument to this fact. sure "doubting thomas" says when He touches Jesus " My Lord and My God" and sure, the prohet says " He will be CALLED the mighty God, and eternal Father. thats just true some do call Him God, and the name of the Father still today passes to thier son."

Is Jesus Christ also the only true God, yes or no? What your doing in your post is telling us we have the same nature as Jesus Christ. Well, I have a news flash for you, our nature is that of human while Jesus Christ has two natures. One from His mothers side which is human and one from His Father's side which is Deity.

Why do you think that John 3:16 says that Jesus Christ is the one and only begotten Son of God? Christians are "adopted" sons of God, please read Galatians 4:4-7. We are "NOT" begotten sons of God, we are created sons of God. To beget is to become the father of; to create is to make. What's the difference? When you beget you beget something of the same kind as yourself. A man begets human babies and a dog begets other dogs. When you make, you make something of a differenct kind from yourself. What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man. This is why men are not sons of God in the same sense that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Again, we are adopted sons of God and Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God which means that Jesus Christ is equal to God and not less than God. In fact, Jesus Christ was crucified for the crime of blasphemy by making Himself equal with God His Father. Read John 5:18, John 8:58, John 10:30-39, John 19:7 and the trial of Jesus at Matthew 26:57-66.

At John 10:30 when Jesus said, "I and the Father, we are one" Jesus was not talking about them being one in purpose in this specific context even though they are one in purpose. Jesus was telling the Jews that He and the Father are one in nature. That is why the Jews took up stones "AGAIN" to stone Him. The Jews were not wanting to kill Him for being one in purpose with His Father. So followjesus, what did I say that you don't understand?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

"Is Jesus Christ also the only true God, yes or no? What your doing in your post is telling us we have the same nature as Jesus Christ. Well, I have a news flash for you, our nature is that of human while Jesus Christ has two natures. One from His mothers side which is human and one from His Father's side which is Deity. "

what do you think the holy spirit is?

Luke 1:31-And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

"At John 10:30 when Jesus said, "I and the Father, we are one" Jesus was not talking about them being one in purpose in this specific context even though they are one in purpose. Jesus was telling the Jews that He and the Father are one in nature. "

john 10:34-38 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

john 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

john 2:19-21 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body.

john 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you......

john 14:20-24 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me


1 corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
we are given the nature of Jesus lol the Son of God, WHEN WE RECIEVE THE HOLY GHOST. that only comes as Jesus the Son of God SAYS that it does.

 

[miknik5]

its funny when people see clear scriptures how they begin to totally misrepresent things, because in thier Heart, they realize ...hey.. the Bible actually says Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God Maybe God the Father Sent His Son to save the World......think it through. and id say to a believer the entire word of God from Genesis to revealtion applies in some manner....but to believers that is

"Applies in some manner?"

funny

I'd say it applies in every manner
since the TESTIMONY of JESUS is THE SPIRIT of prophecy

 

[followjesus]

A man and a woman have a child,and the offspring would be begotten of them,a human.

The saints are adopted in to the kingdom,not begotten of God.

The Son is begotten,because God is literally the Father of the Son,for He is God manifest in flesh,the only human to be conceived of God,where the saints are not literally the children of God in a begotten way,but created a living soul,where Jesus is made a quickening spirit.

"The saints are adopted in to the kingdom,not begotten of God."

James 1:18 "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Children of God are those BORN of the spirit. through Hearing and accepting Gods Testimony of His Son Jesus.

john 3:The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.the word of truth

john 17:17 "[FONT=&quot]Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

john 12:49-50 "[/FONT]For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


[FONT=&quot]1 peter 1:23 "[/FONT]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.[FONT=&quot]


[/FONT][FONT=&quot]john 17"1-3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] "[/FONT]These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


[FONT=&quot]john 5:25-27 "[/FONT]Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man


[FONT=&quot]Son of God, Son of Man.
[/FONT]

 

[miknik5]

"The saints are adopted in to the kingdom,not begotten of God."

James 1:18 "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Children of God are those BORN of the spirit. through Hearing and accepting Gods Testimony of His Son Jesus.

john 3:The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.the word of truth

john 17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

john 12:49-50 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


1 peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


john 17"1-3 "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


john 5:25-27 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man


Son of God, Son of Man.

one baptism
One God
One Lord
One Spirit (Not two)

and it's only through The Son that we have access to The Father by One Spirit (Not two)