Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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Oy'-nos is used in Rev 14:10 too... is God's wrath alcoholic or non-alcoholic?
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
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well if want to be drunk, then you will be. I wonder if you are truly saved, because when a person is saved they abhor sin. I know more than most that one glass turns into 15 glasses and well it's okay because it's wine and Jesus drank wine. But if it's beer then its wrong or if its liquor well that's for drunks. So what is it and why do you need it?
It's interesting the fracture in fundamentalist thought during a discussion that surrounds alcohol or spirits.
Fundamentalists will usually argue the Bible says exactly what it means word for word, without error.
But when it comes to wine, the argument is that it was non-alcoholic, unfermented. But that would not then be wine, as the ancients knew wine to be. It would be juice of the grape, or some other such phraseology to identify non-alcoholic wine.
And if there was no alcoholic spirits as pertains to scripture, there would then be no need of prohibitions to over indulging in alcoholic spirits.
While the word for wine, Oinos, is mentioned 231 times in the KJV translation of the Greek.
While Gleukos is sweet wine. Aka/ unfermented wine.
Besides all that, Jesus always spoke in parables. Something the disciples made note of and inquired about.
The wedding feast is no different.
And finally, when this is a Christians forum, I think it interesting the level of temperament that is evoked from some people when they discuss Jesus miracle in the passage of the wedding feast, and as it relates to wine. What is it that causes a Christian to become mocking, incensed, at the mere thought Jesus turned water in Cana into wine? Alcoholic wine?
Especially when all things happen according to God's will and that includes the fact that grapes can be fermented to create alcoholic wine. How is it one would dare imagine Jesus would have turned water into Gleukos and the scripture of the new testament, which was wholly written in Greek, would not reflect that? But instead would refer to Oinos?
Fundamentalists will usually argue the Bible says exactly what it means word for word, without error.
But when it comes to wine, the argument is that it was non-alcoholic, unfermented. But that would not then be wine, as the ancients knew wine to be. It would be juice of the grape, or some other such phraseology to identify non-alcoholic wine.
And if there was no alcoholic spirits as pertains to scripture, there would then be no need of prohibitions to over indulging in alcoholic spirits.
While the word for wine, Oinos, is mentioned 231 times in the KJV translation of the Greek.
While Gleukos is sweet wine. Aka/ unfermented wine.
Besides all that, Jesus always spoke in parables. Something the disciples made note of and inquired about.
The wedding feast is no different.
And finally, when this is a Christians forum, I think it interesting the level of temperament that is evoked from some people when they discuss Jesus miracle in the passage of the wedding feast, and as it relates to wine. What is it that causes a Christian to become mocking, incensed, at the mere thought Jesus turned water in Cana into wine? Alcoholic wine?
Especially when all things happen according to God's will and that includes the fact that grapes can be fermented to create alcoholic wine. How is it one would dare imagine Jesus would have turned water into Gleukos and the scripture of the new testament, which was wholly written in Greek, would not reflect that? But instead would refer to Oinos?
I contacted an Orthodox Jewish friend and presented the question "Would grape juice be served at a wedding feast?" His answer was a resounding "No!" I also asked him "Was it ever served at a wedding feast?" His answer was "Never!" He asked me why I asked. After I told him about this discussion, he ask me if we were crazy.
Just thought you needed to know what a devout Jew thought about grape juice at a wedding feast.
Just thought you needed to know what a devout Jew thought about grape juice at a wedding feast.
John 2*Yochanan 2* Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB) with parallels KJV & NIV
The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - Yayin - Wine
The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - Yayin - Wine
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Sorry...the few people who are trying to judge the wine. I don't see what difference it makes. He said I was "good" I don't think it for us to know if it was strong or not but rather to accept that it was "good" and trust that it was good no matter what it was composed of. I had a vision with this after several days of this bickering. Maybe it is incorrect but reguardless I don't think Jason or anyone else for that matter should be willing to chance being wrong on this subject.