John 3:16-18 is not about God's universal love (there is no such thing).

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calibob

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Jesus’ physical traits and appearance doesn’t mean a thing to me. I just get a kick out of people who push p/c politics into something so unimportant and trivial.
If it where not to fulfill prophecy that the Christ would be a decendant of Abraham and from the line of Judah why would anyone care which district, family or race the Lord came from?
 

calibob

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some appearances was a requirement if one was a nazarite, long hair, avoiding corpses graves even family members graves, completely avoiding alcohol made from grapes aka wine and a list of other things, so from knowing the numbers account about being a nazarite I think Jesus was a Nazarene not bound by those laws of a nazarite.
Yes. They were set apart from birth and were expected to remain celibate. They were considered as Rabbis like Samuel. The Lords wine was made from water not grapes and every tomb he came out of the power of death was reversed for a time. Sure Lazarus died again and is waiting for the Lord like us, but not that time. I just asked on Bing if Jesus was a Nazarrite because I was curious about his hair after seeing the pic that @JamOn had posted that's all. You can read what I found.
 
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Yes. They were set apart from birth and were expected to remain celibate. They were considered as Rabbis like Samuel. The Lords wine was made from water not grapes and every tomb he came out of the power of death was reversed for a time. Sure Lazarus died again and is waiting for the Lord like us, but not that time. I just asked on Bing if Jesus was a Nazarrite because I was curious about his hair after seeing the pic that @JamOn had posted that's all. You can read what I found.
rgr that I did post a picture or two.
 
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I respect you and rejoice for you regarding your faith in Christ, but I am unable to connect the above statement with election.
Election and salvation aren’t the same thing. Election took place before God said, “Let there be light”. Salvation takes place in time. The elect were born lost in Adam, not saved. The elect’s conversion in time is proof of their election from before the creation of the world[Eph. 1:4].

The elect were elected unto salvation, iow.
 
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God did it all himself, he doesn't require or need assistance. ANY assistance is a false gospel.
I was showing him the necessity of the proclamation of the gospel for the elect’s salvation to come to fruition. But yes, God did it all. soli Deo gloria!
 
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Election and salvation aren’t the same thing. Election took place before God said, “Let there be light”. Salvation takes place in time. The elect were born lost in Adam, not saved. The elect’s conversion in time is proof of their election from before the creation of the world[Eph. 1:4].

The elect were elected unto salvation, iow.

1 Peter 1:20
He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.
 

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God is not omnipotent enough to do it Himself? God needs our help? Seriously?
"Needs" isn't the right word...God graciously allows the elect to participate in the preaching of the Gospel.

Regeneration is what causes faith and repentance, but it is accompanied by the Gospel presentation.
 

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Yes. They were set apart from birth and were expected to remain celibate. They were considered as Rabbis like Samuel. The Lords wine was made from water not grapes and every tomb he came out of the power of death was reversed for a time. Sure Lazarus died again and is waiting for the Lord like us, but not that time. I just asked on Bing if Jesus was a Nazarrite because I was curious about his hair after seeing the pic that @JamOn had posted that's all. You can read what I found.
the nazarite vow was temporary and voluntary -- see Numbers 6.
v.2 "
if a man or woman wants to make a special vow.."
v.4 "
as long as they remain under their vow.." etc etc etc -- the whole chapter refers to the finite time period of the vow - an unspecified time. the person voluntarily took the vow and volunteered how long they wanted to take it.


Samson was extraordinary example not according to the law of the Nazarite. he was set aside before birth not by his own choice but by God's will before he was even conceived. Samson was to be a nazarite all his life -- this is not like what the law describes in Numbers 6, and it's extremely exceptional, not 'the rule'
the nazarite per the law would be defiled "
if anyone died suddenly in their presence" ((v.9)) -- do you know how many people died suddenly within reach of Samson's arms? in his very hands? how close to someone do you have to be to kill them with a jawbone? but his strength didn't leave him until his hair was cut. he is not an ordinary nazarite - you can hardly even call him a nazarite; he's something else; a sign.



the Bible tells us how it was that Jesus is called a Nazarene:

and He went and lived in a town called Nazareth.
So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that He would be called a Nazarene.
(Matthew 2:23)
that's 'Nazarene' not nazarite.
and it's '
Nazarene' because He lived in Nazareth. not because He had taken a temporary, voluntary vow to keep away from anything dead or grape-related. the Son of Man came eating and drinking.
 

calibob

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"Needs" isn't the right word...God graciously allows the elect to participate in the preaching of the Gospel.

Regeneration is what causes faith and repentance, but it is accompanied by the Gospel presentation.
Light skinned was being sarcastic.
 

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every tomb he came out of the power of death was reversed for a time. Sure Lazarus died again and is waiting for the Lord like us, but not that time.
my pastor is fond of pointing out, no one ever died in His presence :)
 

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"Needs" isn't the right word...God graciously allows the elect to participate in the preaching of the Gospel.

Regeneration is what causes faith and repentance, but it is accompanied by the Gospel presentation.
What a load of crap. You sound like a Democrat pushing for higher taxes then stating it’s a privilege for people to pay higher taxes. And no, I’m not equating sharing the Gospel with paying higher taxes, I’m equating your arrogance with the arrogance of democrat politicians.
 

posthuman

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Except for two others on crosses. But at least one went to paradise with him. ;)
Christ delivered His spirit before they died ;)

Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. But when they came to Jesus and found that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of His bones will be broken,” and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the One they have pierced.”
(John 19:31-37)
 

posthuman

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Christ delivered His spirit before they died ;)

Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. But when they came to Jesus and found that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of His bones will be broken,” and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the One they have pierced.”
(John 19:31-37)
incidentally, it's useful to point this out to anyone who says that thief on the cross died under the old covenant.
when he died, our Passover Lamb was already slain.
 

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Hello, fellow brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, saved objects of eternal just wrath to grace.


If God loves the whole world, then the whole world would be saved.... duuuuurrrrr....
John 3:16 makes it clear from the beginning that God does indeed love the whole world.
 
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Paraphrase:
GOD + LOVE + WORLD, World being: not just Israel, but also GENTILES.....indeed.... the Jews believed that the world was cursed by God and they were God's people, its quite to shock to Nicodemus the Pharisee........That God loves is to the world and not just Chosen Israel.

So WORLD doesn't mean universalism (false sinful doctrine), its talking about God's LOVE to the WORLD (not just Israel).
I would agree but I think the subject matter or context is more about his love and not so much is it restricted to different parts of the world. I would add. His love is universal as "unfailing" or perfect But not without a condition as a law. Unfailing not unconditional.

I would think God whose name is Jealous, seeing he created all things protects his own integrity. I would think the first condition of love as a work. . . he works in believers is to help understand His love and mercy that it is not jealous .He our Jealous God is a God of great mercy who suffers long. The first aspect of His love . . . rising to his kindness so show a jealous love does not envy for what he already has therefore it does not puff up but works to build on the spiritual house of God. . In that way His love hems us in His righteousness the armor defends us from within. . He is the rear guard no armor for the back.

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
 

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He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the Beloved.
(Ephesians 1:4-6)
chosen us.
predestined us.
made us accepted.


the 'method' is His glorious grace wherein He did this to us.
Umm, I am talking about people being sinners and that God have not chosen some or elected some for salvation as in the passage of Ephesians 1 and we have to remember the written epistle of Paul are to the saints (already saved) in Ephesus and that the means of salvation is ‘in Him’, ‘in Christ’, in whom’

Predestined here means purposed i.e. according to his purposed and that God’s intention (predestined) to the saved is to “be holy and without blame” or “that we should be to the praise of his glory” v.12 In other words, this has nothing to do with election to salvation but rather chosen to do service for him. Did God chosen the saved, predestined the saints or made accepted in the beloved? Did the saved(saints) adopted? Well for us know, yes indeed! Chosen for what? Predestined for what? Adopted for what? To do his purposed. Btw, adoption is taking up and treat as one’s owned. This imply a purpose of using in some way i.e. to Glorify God.
 

fredoheaven

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Wrong my friend. That’s not what the Bible teaches. Whom(this is ppl not the method) He foreknew He also predestined.
Could you quote for me the entire passage you are citing? Perhaps we could learn something from them?

Thanks