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Yes...that's why I said this in the end of my post.
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Knowing His love releases His love to flow out of me to others as well as viewing myself as He sees me.
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The love of God in us compels us to do things as Paul said. I find it is a natural thing the more I see His love for me - the more love flows out to others. That's when it is moved out of us.
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Knowing His love releases His love to flow out of me to others as well as viewing myself as He sees me.
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The love of God in us compels us to do things as Paul said. I find it is a natural thing the more I see His love for me - the more love flows out to others. That's when it is moved out of us.
Of course the bible doesn't talk about going to the market or that "this little piggy stayed home " either.
It was just an example of the word being used in everyday speech by Greeks who understood the word. The Jews sometimes had a different view from the OT ways of sackcloth and putting ashes on their heads.
The word itself means " to change the mind" it comes from 2 Greek words and yes that means towards all types of sinning too and anything that is contrary to the life of Christ and what he has done for us on the cross and resurrection.
The verb [FONT="Gentium" !important]metanoeō[/FONT] is from [FONT="Gentium" !important]meta[/FONT] (3196), “change” (in compound words), and [FONT="Gentium" !important]noeō[/FONT] (3401), “to exercise the mind.” In classical Greek it first meant “to perceive afterwards,” as in the opposite of [FONT="Gentium" !important]pronoeō[/FONT] (4165), “to consider in advance” (Liddell-Scott). Eventually it came to mean “change one’s mind or purpose,” and this usage was carried into the Septuagint.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.
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When you read a book on a topic or specific area like mathematics or biology, the same word can be used to describe different concepts.
However based on the subject of the book, we know what the author means by using the word.
So I believe the word repentance is short hand for saying we change our minds from sin to God.
So it got lost in other posts but I noticed that in the Greek mind and soul can be used to translate the same word in Greek.
And the word for spirit also means breathe and inner most being.
However in in Hebrew the word for innermost being and breath of life also means soul, not spirit.
It's kind of confusing because does the soul refer to your innermost being or your mind?
Do you go with the Hebrew or Greek?
However based on the subject of the book, we know what the author means by using the word.
So I believe the word repentance is short hand for saying we change our minds from sin to God.
So it got lost in other posts but I noticed that in the Greek mind and soul can be used to translate the same word in Greek.
And the word for spirit also means breathe and inner most being.
However in in Hebrew the word for innermost being and breath of life also means soul, not spirit.
It's kind of confusing because does the soul refer to your innermost being or your mind?
Do you go with the Hebrew or Greek?
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I understand your view on this...
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In your mind and interpretation do you feel that a woman teaching in a congregation with men in it is in error?
...In your mind and interpretation do you feel that a woman teaching in a congregation with men in it is in error?
I also believe that Christ and His Holy Spirit should lead the church.He should be the head and everyone is are just various body parts.
Many people make the pastor the head of the church, but I believe that is unbiblical.
The preacher is the mouth, the pastor can either be the white blood cells that fight off infection or the red that gives oxygen to the rest of the body.
Women are allowed to teach children even in the most conservative churches. When do we stop being children of God? I thought as mature Christians, we walk along side one another and call NO one RABBI but Jesus?
Women are allowed to operate in the office of evangelist and prophetess in the early church.
I have heard both sides of the debate and I believe we must do what God calls us to do: encourage, teach and rebuke when needed to help one another grow.
I also believe that people elevated the role of preacher and pastor to almost idolatrous levels, supplanting Christ as the head of the church universal.
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I understand your view on this......
In your mind and interpretation do you feel that a woman teaching in a congregation with men in it is in error?
...In your mind and interpretation do you feel that a woman teaching in a congregation with men in it is in error?
Galatians 3:28-29 (ASV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.
I believe this verse is telling us no matter who we are we belong to Jesus and are heirs. I don't think this has anything to do with authority here on earth or any type of position.
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (ASV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Let a woman learn in quietness with all subjection.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For Adam was first formed, then Eve;
[SUP]14 [/SUP] and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression:
I believe the verses above pretty much sum it up. It goes all the way back to Genesis and the Garden of Eden. If we say that this doesn't matter anymore then the punishment for man should have lifted as well correct?
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I Timothy 2:8-15 (NRSV):
I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument; also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, but with good works, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
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I thought these verses were talking about marriage and not the church and Paul was telling women to stop nagging their husbands and let them lead as men? Otherwise why does it talk about fashion choices and having babies?
I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument; also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, but with good works, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
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I thought these verses were talking about marriage and not the church and Paul was telling women to stop nagging their husbands and let them lead as men? Otherwise why does it talk about fashion choices and having babies?
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1 Timothy 3Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
Qualifications of Bishops
3 The saying is sure: If any one aspires to the office of bishop,[a] he desires a noble task. 2 Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher, 3 no drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and no lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way; 5 for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God’s church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil; 7 moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders, or he may fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.[c]
Qualifications of Deacons
8 Deacons likewise must be serious, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for gain; 9 they must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 And let them also be tested first; then if they prove themselves blameless let them serve as deacons. 11 The women[d] likewise must be serious, no slanderers, but temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husband of one wife, and let them manage their children and their households well; 13 for those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
3.11 women: i.e., deaconesses
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Wait this allows women to become deaconess...
Qualifications of Bishops
3 The saying is sure: If any one aspires to the office of bishop,[a] he desires a noble task. 2 Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher, 3 no drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and no lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way; 5 for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God’s church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil; 7 moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders, or he may fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.[c]
Qualifications of Deacons
8 Deacons likewise must be serious, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for gain; 9 they must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 And let them also be tested first; then if they prove themselves blameless let them serve as deacons. 11 The women[d] likewise must be serious, no slanderers, but temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husband of one wife, and let them manage their children and their households well; 13 for those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
3.11 women: i.e., deaconesses
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Wait this allows women to become deaconess...
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I found this qualification interesting also...
" He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil; 7 moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders, or he may fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.."
So no new converts and people that the outside community respects. Otherwise they might become prideful and fall to the devils tricks.
" He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil; 7 moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders, or he may fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.."
So no new converts and people that the outside community respects. Otherwise they might become prideful and fall to the devils tricks.
The issue about being a "new convert" just means a person in leadership is supposed to have time and experience with his OWN walk in the faith, before he tries to lead others.
This is just common sense.
The next phrase, saying that this person could have a problem with pride, is also just common sense.
If you have no experience, and you're given a position of authority before you're ready for it, it's natural to have a problem of pride after being "suddenly elevated."
These letters to Timothy contain a lot of practical information.
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Yeah some times I like talking about simple...common sense isn't that common because it's a gift of God for honest people....we don't have that many people who are honest with themselves..
Proverbs 2:7-8New Living Translation (NLT)
7 He grants a treasure of common sense to the honest.
He is a shield to those who walk with integrity.
8 He guards the paths of the just
and protects those who are faithful to him.
Proverbs 2:7-8New Living Translation (NLT)
7 He grants a treasure of common sense to the honest.
He is a shield to those who walk with integrity.
8 He guards the paths of the just
and protects those who are faithful to him.
According 1. Timothy 3 my answer would be:
Singles (not married man) are disqualify because they have no household to lead. Maby they would have more time for this position, but no expierience/Idea in leading a church (big family)
Divorced man ore man with disobidient children are no good ideals. As eldest you are also an ideal for the church members. And you should give no reason to miscredit this position. Divorcy as well as disobiedient children are reasons for to bring trouble among the church members. Look at him he is divorced, so i can do it also. Look his children are not obeying his father, why we should obey our father?
And finally it is God who gave this qualifys for an eldest ore deacon. Who we are that we can question this? I know that many churches today are not following 1. Timothy 3.
Singles (not married man) are disqualify because they have no household to lead. Maby they would have more time for this position, but no expierience/Idea in leading a church (big family)
Divorced man ore man with disobidient children are no good ideals. As eldest you are also an ideal for the church members. And you should give no reason to miscredit this position. Divorcy as well as disobiedient children are reasons for to bring trouble among the church members. Look at him he is divorced, so i can do it also. Look his children are not obeying his father, why we should obey our father?
And finally it is God who gave this qualifys for an eldest ore deacon. Who we are that we can question this? I know that many churches today are not following 1. Timothy 3.
I understand your view on this......
In your mind and interpretation do you feel that a woman teaching in a congregation with men in it is in error?
...In your mind and interpretation do you feel that a woman teaching in a congregation with men in it is in error?
1.Timothy 2, 12-14
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
and 1. Cor. 14,33-35
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be submissive, as also says the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is shameful for women to speak in the church.
Many denominations and churches just ignoring the word of God and justice it with the ability that a woman can preach and teach. And can do it sometimes better than man.
It may be that words : Christ redeemed us from our sins we can not find in this line. But if we consider the whole scripture we will find it clear.
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Romans 6,18; then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness.
Römer 8,2;
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
1. Cor ,15,3;
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
Hebr. 2,17;
Therefore in all things he had to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
1. John 2,2;
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1. John 4,10;
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Revelation 1,5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loves us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Gal.3,13 is telling nothing about the will of God that healing (from desease/sickness) is the will of God. Nowhere in the bible I find that this is the universell will of God.