King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

[KJV1611]

Each and every one of us in this debate are exihibiting the Christ that is in us to all the other participants. We know each others spirit and have developed relationships with nothing more than WORDS WRITTEN DOWN.

Why can't this happen with the bible? Yes I know it's one way... but Jesus already knows everything about me.

 

[trofimus]

I can't think of any right now.

Really? Matthew or Hebrews are full of quotations... but I understand, you must believe they are not quotations, because you cant find them in your OT in the way you have them in your NT

 

[trofimus]

Each and every one of us in this debate are exihibiting the Christ that is in us to all the other participants. We know each others spirit and have developed relationships with nothing more than WORDS WRITTEN DOWN.

Why can't this happen with the bible? Yes I know it's one way... but Jesus already knows everything about me.

I have developed relationship with God, not with the Bible... or what do you mean?

 

[KJV1611]

Really? Matthew or Hebrews are full of quotations... but I understand, you must believe they are not quotations, because you cant find them in your OT in the way you have them in your NT

I have no reason to believe that they are quotations, the bible doesn't say they are quotations and like I said in another discussion you and I had, the old and new testaments compliment one another. The concept cant be fully understood without both testaments.... everything is established at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses.

 

[Dino246]

I have no reason to believe that they are quotations, the bible doesn't say they are quotations and like I said in another discussion you and I had, the old and new testaments compliment one another. The concept cant be fully understood without both testaments.... everything is established at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses.

What about the many times where Jesus says, "It is written..."?

 

[KJV1611]

Those things are written. It's like me saying the bible says not a bone of his body will be broken. Does the bible say that exactly, no but I'm making a statement not a qoute.

 

[trofimus]

Those things are written. It's like me saying the bible says not a bone of his body will be broken. Does the bible say that exactly, no but I'm making a statement not a qoute.

1. If Jesus and apostles were so free when referencing the Scripture, why are you so firmly believing that the KJV must have every word right? Why "free quotations" like some Message translation is not enough?

2. If we need so many of Scripture quotations in this forum to discuss what is true and what is not, why do you believe that the writers of the NT did not need quoting when proving that Christ fulfilled prophecies?

 

[KJV1611]

I have developed relationship with God, not with the Bible... or what do you mean?

If not for the pages of the bible, how do you know anything about the God you have a relationship with? How do you know what this God is like, his personality, his passions, things that please him? These are requirements for a functional relationship.

 

[BillG]

If not for the pages of the bible, how do you know anything about the God you have a relationship with? How do you know what this God is like, his personality, his passions, things that please him? These are requirements for a functional relationship.

I get where you are coming from because the bible reveals God to us.

I would say though what about Abraham and the people who did not have the written word of God early on in the O.T.
I would say they had a relationship with God.

 

[KJV1611]

1. If Jesus and apostles were so free when referencing the Scripture, why are you so firmly believing that the KJV must have every word right? Why "free quotations" like some Message translation is not enough?

2. If we need so many of Scripture quotations in this forum to discuss what is true and what is not, why do you believe that the writers of the NT did not need quoting when proving that Christ fulfilled prophecies?

The scripture references aren't wrong, they aren't saying something different than the scriptures they are talking about.... My plane is about to take off, be back later to finish.

 

[KJV1611]

I get where you are coming from because the bible reveals God to us.

I would say though what about Abraham and the people who did not have the written word of God early on in the O.T.
I would say they had a relationship with God.

Quick answer, the word of the Lord came directly to them... that same word of the Lord is in the bible in the words.

The word of the Lord took many forms when he came to OT people.. a spirit, a vision a dream. We have much better than that today. That word of the Lord spirit is in the bible.

 

[Dino246]

If not for the pages of the bible, how do you know anything about the God you have a relationship with? How do you know what this God is like, his personality, his passions, things that please him? These are requirements for a functional relationship.

This line of reasoning fails when we consider that Paul's first Gentile disciples did not have the Bible at all... nothing written. The Bible is our primary means of knowing information about God, but we know God by His Spirit, not by the written word.

 

[BillG]

Quick answer, the word of the Lord came directly to them... that same word of the Lord is in the bible in the words.

Thanks for answering and I agree.

I just wasn't sure whether you meant we or people needed the written bible to have a relationship with God.

safe flight

 

[trofimus]

If not for the pages of the bible, how do you know anything about the God you have a relationship with? How do you know what this God is like, his personality, his passions, things that please him? These are requirements for a functional relationship.

His Spirit inside me, conscience, preaching of the Church.

Yes, I would not know the exact details of his teachings or of the Church history, but do you think it is so impossible to say a gospel without the KJV in your hands? It is very possible, because the Church know the message.

 

[KJV1611]

This line of reasoning fails when we consider that Paul's first Gentile disciples did not have the Bible at all... nothing written. The Bible is our primary means of knowing information about God, but we know God by His Spirit, not by the written word.

The spirit of Lord knocked him to the ground, The disciples walked and talked with Jesus, the Holy Ghost came at Pentecost for the reason you mentioned. That Holy Ghost is in the bible. Just check out similarities between writen word, Holy Spirit and spirit of Christ... they are all the same.

All attributes of Christ can be sound in attributes of the written word.

 

[KJV1611]

His Spirit inside me, conscience, preaching of the Church.

Yes, I would not know the exact details of his teachings or of the Church history, but do you think it is so impossible to say a gospel without the KJV in your hands? It is very possible, because the Church know the message.

Mormons, JW's and all cults will say the same.... obviously we don't know him by that spirit or all would have same image of Christ.

 

[trofimus]

Mormons, JW's and all cults will say the same.... obviously we don't know him by that spirit or all would have same image of Christ.

But also baptists, lutherans, orthodox etc etc would say the same. Gospel is not complicated and you do not have to read your KJV aloud to somebody to tell him about Christ. Your own words will be enough.

 

[hornetguy]

In this world and in my humanity I would rather have his physical body before me and even though I don't have that right now, I can still commune with the true essence of Christ through the written word and I honestly don't think I would know him any better if he was standing right before me because his spirit and essence literally are right before me on the pages of the bible.

Oddly enough, that's almost exactly the same argument people use for bowing down and worshipping the cross, or a statue of Jesus on the cross, or the Virgin Mary....

Revering and worshipping a thing instead of God is sinful. Period.

Again, you should know this. I know you are a student of the word, and a good one.. but somehow you've let your obsession with the KJV blind you to this teaching.

 

[Sagart]

In Genesis we find Elohim (plural of god - gods) rightly translated as God because it is referring to the triune God.

The Hebrew word for God, אֱלֹהִים‎ (’ĕlōhîm), is indeed a masculine plural noun. However, it is not a plural noun because it is referring to a triune God (the Hebrew people knew of no such concept); it is a plural noun to express superiority over all other gods.

Is elahin (plural form of god - gods) in Daniel 2:47 refer that SAME triune God or is it referring to a son of the gods aka Nephilim?

The Aramaic word for Gods (plural), אֱלָהִ֛ין (’ĕlāhîn), is referring to the Babylonian gods.

 

[Sagart]

It's your opinion that he didn't and that's fine. Balaam's ass should have said hee haw but he didn't.

We saw above that in the Aramaic text of Daniel 2:47, Daniel, when quoting Nebuchadnezzar, used both the singular and plural forms of the word for God, and that he used them appropriately. We also saw above that in the Aramaic text of Daniel 3:25, Daniel, when quoting Nebuchadnezzar, used the plural form of the word for God. Had God put the words into Nebuchadnezzar’s mouth to mean “the Son of God,” He would, of course, have used the singular rather than the plural form of the Aramaic word—that is, unless we assume that God was not familiar with the Aramaic language.

I'm not that far advanced in my studies.... I don't know how it benefits me yet.

And the same applies to Daniel 3:25.

I assume that you can figure out which parts of the bible are screwed up and which parts aren't.

The Bible is not screwed up—the translators of the KJV allowed their Christian theology to quench the truth in Daniel 3:25 where Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylonian theology is being expressed. When the KJV was officially revised in 1885, the error was corrected,

Daniel 3:25. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Daniel 3:25. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the aspect of the fourth is like a son of the gods.