King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)

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What about as far as doctrine, how do you attempt to build a reliable, honest, consistent connection with the words & terms? Lets say, using the nasb & the king james for the first verse of the bible. The heavens are the levels of atmospheric layers & the heavenly places of the universe... not God's heaven, right? God is establishing doctrine in that verse.

Again, what about Matt 28:19, I think it is. The commission was given to the Twelve apostles, for a reason, there is doctrine to be fitted & learned here. As well as in 1 Cor 15:52 trump is important for the distiction of the voice & the sound, you know if you are into studying for doctrine.

Words are important, alway is not always. Throughly is not thoroughly. Fulfil is not fulfill and so on.
 
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I hear a lot of people saying the KJV is not the inerrant word of God, but I have never seen one person prove it.
Guys there are no errors in the KJV.
 
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Also, let's look at the New World Translation and see how it lines up with the modern Vatican versions:

1 Timothy 3:16 (New World Translation):

16 Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh,+ was declared righteous in spirit,+ appeared to angels,+ was preached about among nations,+ was believed upon in the world,+ was received up in glory.’

Micah 5:2 (New World Translation):

2 And you, O Beth′le·hem Eph′ra·thah,+The one too little to be among the thousands* of Judah,
From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel,+Whose origin is from ancient times, from
the days of long ago.


Matthew 18:11

New International Version

New Living Translation

English Standard Version


New World Translation

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Look at how the NWT and the NLT, NIV, and ESV all remove Matthew 18:11.
Let us look at another example.

Acts 8:37
New International Version

New Living Translation

English Standard Version

New World Translation

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Again, they all remove Acts 8:37. Why? Because the text of the NWT is based primarily on the Vaticanus (B) manuscript. And surprise, surprise! So are the modern versions such as the NIV, ESV, NLT, CEV, NEB, etc. In fact, nearly all the modern versions produced since 1881 are translated from the corrupt Vaticanus (B) manuscript. The other corrupt manuscript they are based on is Siniaticus.
You have to read the footnotes in these translations. They all acknowledge that these verses exist, but they don't always include them in the actual text because these verses are not found in the oldest manuscripts that they have. They are simply trying to be intellectually honest. If they are not in the oldest manuscripts, then they need to note this somehow. The NASB will put some of these in the regular text of the translation, but in brackets, rather than footnotes. In other places they put these things in footnotes.

So these verses are not absent from these translations -- but they are set apart from the rest of the text because of their absence in the oldest manuscripts.

As for comparing the NWT to modern translations -- okay, if you want to do that, look at passages like John 1:1. This is what it says in the NWT:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

John 1:1 in all other Bible translations:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Philippians 2:9
For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,

No other Bible translation has the word "other" in front of name.

Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; [SUP]16[/SUP] because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. [SUP]17[/SUP] Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,

Compare that with any other Bible translation, and all of those "others" will be missing.

If you are looking for a Bible translation that seeks to rid the Bible of Jesus' deity, look no further than the NWT!

There are many other verses that the NWT has truly changed to make it line up with Jehovah's Witness doctrine.
 
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As the British Empire expanded throughout the world, Protestant missionaries spread its use. Since many who translated the Bible into local languages were unfamiliar with Biblical Hebrew and Greek, the King James Version in English became the basis for these local translations.
Today, according to the British Library, “The King James, or Authorized, Version of the Bible remains the most widely published text in the English language.” Some estimates put the number of copies of the King James Version produced in print worldwide at over one billion!

Without question, the King James Version is a literary masterpiece, appreciated and valued for its unparalleled beauty of expression. But what about the importance of its message? The Bible’s inspired writings reveal the lasting remedy for the problems of our critical times. It shows how to live in a way to please God. But to truly benefit from the any version of the Bible one must read it and then share it(1 Timothy 4:16). The value of God’s word is not seen in the scholarship of the translators but in the practical application of it in the lives of those who believe it. (Matthew 7:24-27)
 

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It is a translation from Ancient Greek. What more proof do you need that it isn't perfect? When has anyone anywhere translated a book as large as the Bible without error? How do you know it has no errors if I may ask? Do you read Greek? And Hebrew? Have you done a through comparison between the texts? If not then your blowing smoke.

I hear a lot of people saying the KJV is not the inerrant word of God, but I have never seen one person prove it.
Guys there are no errors in the KJV.
 
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Guys there are no errors in the KJV.
How do you know it has no errors if I may ask? Do you read Greek? And Hebrew? Have you done a through comparison between the texts? If not then your blowing smoke.
Oh, you're debating with a KJV-onlyist?

Forget about reading Greek or Hebrew--this one has already admitted that he doesn't even know how to tell one language from the other.

So what does the Greek say in Daniel 3?
Daniel 3 was written in Aramaic, not Greek.
 
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It is a translation from Ancient Greek. What more proof do you need that it isn't perfect? When has anyone anywhere translated a book as large as the Bible without error? How do you know it has no errors if I may ask? Do you read Greek? And Hebrew? Have you done a through comparison between the texts? If not then your blowing smoke.
Hi Oak, actually the KJV is not a translation from the ancient Greek. Some of it came from the Greek and Hebrew, some came from other bible translation, some from the Septuagint and some of it came from the KJV translators. Many times the KJV translated the same Greek or Hebrew to different English words i.e Passover was translated Passover I think every time accept for one where it was translated Easter. Several places where different Hebrew words were translated to one word "giant". God changed the words so that we living in the last days could better understand his word. The word of God is not contained in the text of any book. The word of God is hidden underneath the text.
 
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Oh, you're debating with a KJV-onlyist?

Forget about reading Greek or Hebrew--this one has already admitted that he doesn't even know how to tell one language from the other.
You should've read a little further back in that post slick... I said that because they guy I was debating said it. Only I'm not like you, I chose not to belittle him for his error, I just let it go.
 
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What I would like to know is why did OAK revive this thread from 2 years ago?
The Judgement Seat of Christ?

The KJV is an inspired translation. The King James Holy Bible is the Inerrant and Infallible word of God. So, if you rather not submit to Final Authority, then that's your problem. You will answer at the Judgment Seat of Christ, that's if your saved. And you have no excuse, you can't say that you were not shown the truth.
I mean you can try to justify the NIV all you want, but at least if you don't come to the truth on this issue, at least you and every other Christian will get to see which side was right at the Judgement Seat of Christ.
 
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You should've read a little further back in that post slick... I said that because they guy I was debating said it. Only I'm not like you, I chose not to belittle him for his error, I just let it go.
But you use sarcasm and terms like "slick" to talk to others.

Seems you like to belittle at least some people. It's funny you're beating on Praus, though. From what I can tell he's a pretty big fan of the Textus Receptus.
 
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You should've read a little further back in that post slick... I said that because they guy I was debating said it.
You don't believe in correcting your brethens' scriptural errors? :confused:

Is that what the KJV Bible says you should do?
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2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Only I'm not like you, I chose not to belittle him for his error, I just let it go.
You're not like me because you put people's feelings above the word of God. That's how I ended up at Alcoholics Anonymous--bad fruits when you do that kind of thing...

Is that what the KJV Bible says you should do?
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Acts 10:34
¶ Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

 
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But you use sarcasm and terms like "slick" to talk to others.

Seems you like to belittle at least some people. It's funny you're beating on Praus, though. From what I can tell he's a pretty big fan of the Textus Receptus.
Nah, it's just a southern thang. I'm not beating on anybody.
 
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The only way the KJV could be more accurate than the originals is if they somehow guessed the correct words.

Sometimes I feel people want to believe too badly
That's the "advanced revelation" theory of Peter Ruckman, et. al. They believe that God used the KJV translators to "correct errors" in the original texts during the translation. They don't believe the original texts are perfect, only the KJV.

-> Ruckman's belief in advanced revelations in the KJV | Ruckmanism.org

There's a few Ruckmanites here on CC.
 
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I hear a lot of people saying the KJV is not the inerrant word of God, but I have never seen one person prove it.
Guys there are no errors in the KJV.
I showed you an error the last time you said this, ( I believe it was you , 1john 5:7 and how it was not in the first 2 editions of Erasmus ) was this not you that I explained this to? If not I apologize.
 
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I showed you an error the last time you said this, ( I believe it was you , 1john 5:7 and how it was not in the first 2 editions of Erasmus ) was this not you that I explained this to? If not I apologize.
Yes I think it was me. You believe 1 John 5:7 shouldn't be in the bible right?
It was not in the first 2 editions of Erasmus. What does that tell us about Erasmus? He got it wrong. There were false gospels being written basically at the same time the real gospels were being written. Older does not mean better or more accurate.
 
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All your modern versions come from Wescott and Hort learn about them:
[video=youtube;nJDBU_-z3Jk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJDBU_-z3Jk[/video]
 

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Yes I think it was me. You believe 1 John 5:7 shouldn't be in the bible right?
It was not in the first 2 editions of Erasmus. What does that tell us about Erasmus? He got it wrong. There were false gospels being written basically at the same time the real gospels were being written. Older does not mean better or more accurate.

yes,,in a.h. 5.30 Irenaeus makes a certain statement,,,"found in all the most approved and ancient copies",,so this was written in about 175a.d. which shows that there were both "approved copies",,,and "non approved copies" in existence by 175ad,,, CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.30 (St. Irenaeus)
 
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This feverish dedication to one English translation reminds me of how devout Roman Catholics are to their church. If you ask them why they have such a feverish dedication to anything but Christ, they have an elaborate system of apologetics that has been developed over many many years. You can argue in circles with them from dawn to dusk. Yet, you cannot get them to neglect their blind faith in something that is man-made. They repeat their mantras "There is no salvation outside of the Catholic church" and "KJV 1611 only". It allows them to switch off their mind like a lamp not not have to do the heavy thinking that would ensue if either the Protestant church was right (and their priests and popes could no longer pound out doctrine for them and they themselves would have to look into the matters) or the KJV-only theory was wrong (and they'd have to learn Greek or try to figure out which translation is most faithful).

Keep in mind I used to be a KJV-onlyists myself. It feels really good to think that you are part of the elect few and that everyone else is wrong except for your small group of true, discerning Christians. I once again urge you to be careful what you put your faith in. Anything can become an idol. Even something good. Remember the bronze snake was a good thing at first until people started worshipping it.
 
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Yes I think it was me. You believe 1 John 5:7 shouldn't be in the bible right?
It was not in the first 2 editions of Erasmus. What does that tell us about Erasmus? He got it wrong. There were false gospels being written basically at the same time the real gospels were being written. Older does not mean better or more accurate.
If you do your research , there are only 2 or 3 late mss that have it. The majority mss are wrong? I agree that older does not mean better but in this it sounds like proof. Over 1400 years no one that read the greek mss saw 1john 5:7 the way the Kjv reads. You say we never show proof of an error. I show you one and you refuse to accept it. Look at the majority text. I have it. 1 john 5:7 the way the Kjv renders it is not there. The majority text is bysintine ( I can never spell that right) in form. The textus receptus is in the same textual family, but the one that is put out by the trinitarian bible society is based on scrivener which is a fake greek text based on the Kjv. Proof is here if you will just do your homework.
 
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This feverish dedication to one English translation reminds me of how devout Roman Catholics are to their church. If you ask them why they have such a feverish dedication to anything but Christ, they have an elaborate system of apologetics that has been developed over many many years. You can argue in circles with them from dawn to dusk. Yet, you cannot get them to neglect their blind faith in something that is man-made. They repeat their mantras "There is no salvation outside of the Catholic church" and "KJV 1611 only". It allows them to switch off their mind like a lamp not not have to do the heavy thinking that would ensue if either the Protestant church was right (and their priests and popes could no longer pound out doctrine for them and they themselves would have to look into the matters) or the KJV-only theory was wrong (and they'd have to learn Greek or try to figure out which translation is most faithful).

Keep in mind I used to be a KJV-onlyists myself. It feels really good to think that you are part of the elect few and that everyone else is wrong except for your small group of true, discerning Christians. I once again urge you to be careful what you put your faith in. Anything can become an idol. Even something good. Remember the bronze snake was a good thing at first until people started worshipping it.
Nope, I don't believe in anything man made. I believe the word of God. God said he would preserve his word forever and I believe it. I read the KJV and I have read most other translations and I can tell you beyond the shadow of a doubt, the KJV is the inerrant word of God. It's not even a debate. I have been debating people over this for years, and I have never seen 1 single person produce one single error in the KJV.

Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.