King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)
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Inerrancy is not based on comparing the KJV to other manuscripts, even to the textus receptus. The KJV was translated based on several different documents and the KJV translators translated Greek and Hebrew words differently in different places. Show me where the KJV makes a false statement or contradicts itself.
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The KJV literally has a man's name in its title. I know its not a debate for you. That's my point exactly.
If I was moved by the Spirit and wrote a translation right now from the original Greek, KJV-onlyists would reject it because it is not the KJV. Even if it was literally a miracle (because i only know a few words of Greek) and the Lord's hand print was upon it. That's called having an idol. That's called honoring your traditions more than God. Just as the Pharisees did. Just as the Roman Catholics do. If Jesus came to the Earth during our time I wouldn't be surprised that just as the Pharisees asked them "Why dont you guys wash your hands according to the tradition" you guys would ask "Why don't you use the KJV?"
Even your screen name has KJV in it. Consider your ways.
If I was moved by the Spirit and wrote a translation right now from the original Greek, KJV-onlyists would reject it because it is not the KJV. Even if it was literally a miracle (because i only know a few words of Greek) and the Lord's hand print was upon it. That's called having an idol. That's called honoring your traditions more than God. Just as the Pharisees did. Just as the Roman Catholics do. If Jesus came to the Earth during our time I wouldn't be surprised that just as the Pharisees asked them "Why dont you guys wash your hands according to the tradition" you guys would ask "Why don't you use the KJV?"
Even your screen name has KJV in it. Consider your ways.
Well they are not found in the corrupt Siniaiticus and Vaticanus Greek texts.
And I strongly doubt that the translators behind these modern Vatican versions are intellecutally honest. These Alexandrians have been caught lying so many times, they would put the pope and a politician out of business.
Those verses belong in the TEXT. Not the footnotes.
Arwen, I am already aware that while there are similarities between the NWT and the modern translations, that on the other hand, there are also obvious and blatant differences between the NWT and the other modern translations.
The modern translations such as the NIV, ESV, NASB, etc. also attack Jesus' deity.
Arwen, I recommend you read the following article by clicking on the link for it given below:
The character of Sinaiticus and Vaticanus texts - the so called "Oldest and Best Manuscripts"
Oldest and Best Mss? - Another King James Bible Believer
The character of Sinaiticus and Vaticanus texts - the so called "Oldest and Best Manuscripts"
Oldest and Best Mss? - Another King James Bible Believer
Jesus did come to earth during our time and you don't recognize him.
Jesus is the Word of God - Jesus is the inerrant bible. That's why I am such a proponent of the KJV.
If you have faith to believe every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God then you can understand Psalm 69:11.
If you don't believe every word... if you think you're bible is full of errors, then you wont understand Psalm 69:11.
God only expects us to DO one thing - have faith in him. The bible said Jesus is the Word of God, I believe it.
You guys have no idea what you're missing out on by doubting what God said. I urge you to just ask God to show you the truth... If you are seriously seeking the truth then God will remove the blinders from your eyes... he did it for me. I used to be just like you.
Psa 69:11 I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them.
Jesus is the Word of God - Jesus is the inerrant bible. That's why I am such a proponent of the KJV.
If you have faith to believe every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God then you can understand Psalm 69:11.
If you don't believe every word... if you think you're bible is full of errors, then you wont understand Psalm 69:11.
God only expects us to DO one thing - have faith in him. The bible said Jesus is the Word of God, I believe it.
You guys have no idea what you're missing out on by doubting what God said. I urge you to just ask God to show you the truth... If you are seriously seeking the truth then God will remove the blinders from your eyes... he did it for me. I used to be just like you.
Psa 69:11 I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them.
Do you realize that the KJV was ordered because of politics? The king had somethings changed during the process.
You are very confused sir, I feel you have been misled into thinking that a book has no errors without evidence and on top of that you hold your faith in God because of this belief.
You need to seek guidance, there is no inerrant translation of the Bible, it is just not possible.
You are very confused sir, I feel you have been misled into thinking that a book has no errors without evidence and on top of that you hold your faith in God because of this belief.
You need to seek guidance, there is no inerrant translation of the Bible, it is just not possible.
Making it up on the go like picking a couple of random verses from the Bible and making a whole cult and doctrine out of it, now that sounds familiar dosnt it. Lets pick a verse about Gods word being refined 7 times and then manipulate text so that the 1611 is the 7th English version and claim that is prophecy fulfilled. Pathetic and ridiculous.
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Well it can't get any plainer than that. You worship the KJV. I think this conversation is over.
"He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan."
2Kings 18:4
"He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan."
2Kings 18:4
Well alrighty then...
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Jamieson Fausett and Brown:
three — Two or three witnesses were required by law to constitute adequate testimony. The only Greek manuscripts in any form which support the words, “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one; and there are three that bear witness in earth,” are the Montfortianus of Dublin, copied evidently from the modern Latin Vulgate; the Ravianus, copied from the Complutensian Polyglot; a manuscript at Naples, with the words added in the Margin by a recent hand; Ottobonianus, 298, of the fifteenth century, the Greek of which is a mere translation of the accompanying Latin. All the old versions omit the words. The oldest manuscripts of the Vulgate omit them: the earliest Vulgate manuscript which has them being Wizanburgensis, 99, of the eighth century.
John Gill:
For there are three that bear record in heaven,.... That is, that Jesus is the Son of God. The genuineness of this text has been called in question by some, because it is wanting in the Syriac version, as it also is in the Arabic and Ethiopic versions; and because the old Latin interpreter has it not; and it is not to be found in many Greek manuscripts; nor cited by many of the ancient fathers, even by such who wrote against the Arians, when it might have been of great service to them: to all which it may be replied, that as to the Syriac version, which is the most ancient, and of the greatest consequence, it is but a version, and a defective one.
Dr. Bullinger:
bear record = bear witness, as in 1Jn_5:6.
in heaven, &c. The texts read, "the Spirit, and the water", &c, omitting all the words from "in heaven" to "in earth" (1Jn_5:8) inclusive. The words are not found in any Greek. MS. before the sixteenth century. They were first seen in the margin of some Latin copies. Thence they have crept into the text.
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1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Jamieson Fausett and Brown:
three — Two or three witnesses were required by law to constitute adequate testimony. The only Greek manuscripts in any form which support the words, “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one; and there are three that bear witness in earth,” are the Montfortianus of Dublin, copied evidently from the modern Latin Vulgate; the Ravianus, copied from the Complutensian Polyglot; a manuscript at Naples, with the words added in the Margin by a recent hand; Ottobonianus, 298, of the fifteenth century, the Greek of which is a mere translation of the accompanying Latin. All the old versions omit the words. The oldest manuscripts of the Vulgate omit them: the earliest Vulgate manuscript which has them being Wizanburgensis, 99, of the eighth century.
John Gill:
For there are three that bear record in heaven,.... That is, that Jesus is the Son of God. The genuineness of this text has been called in question by some, because it is wanting in the Syriac version, as it also is in the Arabic and Ethiopic versions; and because the old Latin interpreter has it not; and it is not to be found in many Greek manuscripts; nor cited by many of the ancient fathers, even by such who wrote against the Arians, when it might have been of great service to them: to all which it may be replied, that as to the Syriac version, which is the most ancient, and of the greatest consequence, it is but a version, and a defective one.
Dr. Bullinger:
bear record = bear witness, as in 1Jn_5:6.
in heaven, &c. The texts read, "the Spirit, and the water", &c, omitting all the words from "in heaven" to "in earth" (1Jn_5:8) inclusive. The words are not found in any Greek. MS. before the sixteenth century. They were first seen in the margin of some Latin copies. Thence they have crept into the text.
Need some more?
Yes, for the bible tells me so. And yes the all knowing book does tells us the other translations are from the devil.
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
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the original aramaic never even got translated into greek, it is in the original language, it cant be from the devil because the greek was taken from it.
We need to be careful in our ignorance not to lead people astray.
It is the holy spirit that teaches us.
the spanish Bible did not come from the KING JAMES
the French Bible did not come from the King James
the Swedish did not come from the king James
so you are saying only caucasion anglo saxon Bibles can save?
Brother, ask for grace the holy spirit is not in your posts.
We need to be careful in our ignorance not to lead people astray.
It is the holy spirit that teaches us.
the spanish Bible did not come from the KING JAMES
the French Bible did not come from the King James
the Swedish did not come from the king James
so you are saying only caucasion anglo saxon Bibles can save?
Brother, ask for grace the holy spirit is not in your posts.
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Jesus can save you if you will ask him.
Ask to be born again by the word of God
so that you may have his spirit of peace.
Blessed are the peacemakers, encouragers, helpers, not the denouncers of other men
Others read other versions
our job is not to condemn ministries or God's spirit talking through other.
that is never the ministry of Jesus is to go around and tell people who is wrong.
Jesus ignored others
Actually the king James word of God now comes to my mind the fact that the disciples ran to Jesus and said
Jesus Jesus! there is a guy baptising, make him stop
make him stop!
And Jesus said, leave him alone, those who are not AGAINST us are with us.
so if you are against a person or ministry because of what Bible he reads you are not with us.
What Bible they read is not difference it is the spirit of God that translates into your mind the truth.
It is the ideas
all translations tell us Jesus came down, died for us, wants us to keep his commandments in righteousness and to fight an pray every day so we can be saved from every sin in our lives and live like Jesus by his grace and power.
all Bibles teach that
you can even take the king James and come up with weird dotrines that are not even in it, like once saved always saved, ever burning hell, and the pagan sunday.
but hese are not in the king James but this does not stop twisters from inventing lies.
all translations can save if you pray and put all the scriptures together...
I can show you right from your king james Bible we are not completely in the faith completely yet.
this is canctification
chaning our doctrines until we are one faith one heart and one baptism that agrees with the word of God
whatever Bible you have I can show you the SAME doctrines there is only one doctrines.
one faith one baptism
many translations...
Ask to be born again by the word of God
so that you may have his spirit of peace.
Blessed are the peacemakers, encouragers, helpers, not the denouncers of other men
Others read other versions
our job is not to condemn ministries or God's spirit talking through other.
that is never the ministry of Jesus is to go around and tell people who is wrong.
Jesus ignored others
Actually the king James word of God now comes to my mind the fact that the disciples ran to Jesus and said
Jesus Jesus! there is a guy baptising, make him stop
make him stop!
And Jesus said, leave him alone, those who are not AGAINST us are with us.
so if you are against a person or ministry because of what Bible he reads you are not with us.
What Bible they read is not difference it is the spirit of God that translates into your mind the truth.
It is the ideas
all translations tell us Jesus came down, died for us, wants us to keep his commandments in righteousness and to fight an pray every day so we can be saved from every sin in our lives and live like Jesus by his grace and power.
all Bibles teach that
you can even take the king James and come up with weird dotrines that are not even in it, like once saved always saved, ever burning hell, and the pagan sunday.
but hese are not in the king James but this does not stop twisters from inventing lies.
all translations can save if you pray and put all the scriptures together...
I can show you right from your king james Bible we are not completely in the faith completely yet.
this is canctification
chaning our doctrines until we are one faith one heart and one baptism that agrees with the word of God
whatever Bible you have I can show you the SAME doctrines there is only one doctrines.
one faith one baptism
many translations...
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