LEGALSIM...how do you know if your a "legalist"

[p_rehbein]

Ok lets start with His Commandment to love as He loves you.... if your judging others by a standard you do not keep yourself, are you really keeping His Commandment?

No.........but........judging is different from loving isn't it? Example:

1) I love me............surely.........what's not to love? I buy myself a cheeseburger to show my love of me.
2) I love that homeless man just outside on the corner begging for something to eat......I walk by and say "God bless you brother." Have I loved him? I buy a second cheeseburger, hand it to him and say "God bless you brother." Have I loved him? See, I didn't judge him............either time........but did I fulfill the Commandment of Love both times?

[posting this below just as FYI]

I. Biblical references to "legalism"
A. The term "legalism" is not used in the Bible
B. The concept of "legalism" is found extensively throughout the Bible.
1. Old Testament
Isa. 29:13 - (Quoted in Matt. 15:8,9; Mk. 7:6,7
2. New Testament examples (just a few)
Matt. 5:20-28
Matt. 23:1-28
Gal. 2:11-21
Gal. 3:1-3
Col. 2:16-23

 

[michael56]

You shouldn't have to strive to keep any of the commandments, as if you are walking in the Spirit and letting the Holy Spirit guide you then you will automatically keep them.
If you are not keeping them it is of your own doing, and not the Holy Spirit who is in you as you would be denying His guidance.

As you responded to the post Kenneth. May I ask, do you automatically keep each and every literal command of Christ given in the Gospels?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Anyone mind if I tackle this one?

Well, yes, I have studied this.......many, many times........I am only trying to understand your understanding of this. So, again I will ask:

1) Is keeping the Commandments of Jesus different than living under the Law? YES__X___ or NO______

2) Is the Church today to keep/obey the Commandments of Jesus (see list if need be)? YES_X__ or NO_____

3) Does Spiritual obedience require physical action? YES_X____ or NO______

this will greatly help in my understanding

Probably not, though, in the way this is to be understood. If you're just going to go by the "X" that answers each question, it won't get to the point.

Keeping the commandments of Jesus requires the essential understanding that Christ has, through His death, fulfilled the Law of the Sacrifice, as the writer of Hebrews puts it, "once for all" and has "sat down at the right hand of God" until His enemies are "made a footstool for His feet." In other words, as Christ said on the cross, "It is finished!" By that, He meant His purpose was fulfilled. What purpose? To fulfill the requirements of the Law of sin and death -- to be the perfect sacrifice for all time. The requirements of absolute obedience, which could not be achieved under any circumstance regardless by any human, was fulfilled.

The commandments of the Mosaic Law are fulfilled by the commandments of Christ: "Love God ... love others." "pon these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets" according to Jesus in Matthew 22:40. Earlier, during the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said, "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12). It is obvious that everything we do is based on love, not the Law. The Law simply describes what love looks like.

Obedience under the guidance of the Holy Spirit does, indeed, require physical action, but does the lack of physical action according to His guidance relate to salvation? No. Not in the sense that those actions are required for salvation. Those actions speak of our salvation through grace by faith in Christ.

Without Christ, we cannot love. Anything we call love that is generated from within us -- and that includes Christians -- is not love, but something more selfish. It might do a good job of imitating love, but the truth will out. If we love, we will love the ones we like the least. If we can't show love for them, then we are not showing the love of Christ within us. It isn't being let out, to shine forth from us as a reflection of Christ within us.

Does that do it for you?

 

[p_rehbein]

Anyone mind if I tackle this one?

Probably not, though, in the way this is to be understood. If you're just going to go by the "X" that answers each question, it won't get to the point.

Keeping the commandments of Jesus requires the essential understanding that Christ has, through His death, fulfilled the Law of the Sacrifice, as the writer of Hebrews puts it, "once for all" and has "sat down at the right hand of God" until His enemies are "made a footstool for His feet." In other words, as Christ said on the cross, "It is finished!" By that, He meant His purpose was fulfilled. What purpose? To fulfill the requirements of the Law of sin and death -- to be the perfect sacrifice for all time. The requirements of absolute obedience, which could not be achieved under any circumstance regardless by any human, was fulfilled. and to establish a NEW COVENANT.......I wish to add....

The commandments of the Mosaic Law are fulfilled by the commandments of Christ: "Love God ... love others." "pon these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets" according to Jesus in Matthew 22:40. Earlier, during the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said, "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12). It is obvious that everything we do is based on love, not the Law. The Law simply describes what love looks like. and to do this actually requires one to physical action, not just lip service right? Good Samaritan.

Obedience under the guidance of the Holy Spirit does, indeed, require physical action, but does the lack of physical action according to His guidance relate to salvation? No. Not in the sense that those actions are required for salvation. Those actions speak of our salvation through grace by faith in Christ. stated this earlier........thanks......."good works are afruit of our salvation." Yet they are far more than just paying lip service to His Commandments as I listed right?

Without Christ, we cannot love. Amen! Anything we call love that is generated from within us -- and that includes Christians -- is not love, but something more selfish. It might do a good job of imitating love, but the truth will out. If we love, we will love the ones we like the least. If we can't show love for them, then we are not showing the love of Christ within us. It isn't being let out, to shine forth from us as a reflection of Christ within us. Again, Amen. So, if I proclaim that I must keep the Commandments of Jesus (see list provided) He Himself gave us, then I am NOT a LEGALIST right?

Does that do it for you?

easier to include my comments within yours........

 

[Mitspa]

No.........but........judging is different from loving isn't it? Example:

1) I love me............surely.........what's not to love? I buy myself a cheeseburger to show my love of me.
2) I love that homeless man just outside on the corner begging for something to eat......I walk by and say "God bless you brother." Have I loved him? I buy a second cheeseburger, hand it to him and say "God bless you brother." Have I loved him? See, I didn't judge him............either time........but did I fulfill the Commandment of Love both times?

[posting this below just as FYI]

I. Biblical references to "legalism"
A. The term "legalism" is not used in the Bible
B. The concept of "legalism" is found extensively throughout the Bible.
1. Old Testament
Isa. 29:13 - (Quoted in Matt. 15:8,9; Mk. 7:6,7
2. New Testament examples (just a few)
Matt. 5:20-28
Matt. 23:1-28
Gal. 2:11-21
Gal. 3:1-3
Col. 2:16-23

See that the problem with you guys who teach standards that you don't keep....its called hypocrisy! Now the standard of faith and love we can keep if we are prayerful and walk near to God. And in this ALL the law and every commandment of God is fulfilled. See brother Christ gave you a commandment you can keep and in it keep all the law...if you choose to ignore his commandment and seek after your own righteousness by the law....Judgment Day will not be a good day for you! In the love of Christ, I say keep His commandment and He will love others through you by the Spirit of God, in you.

 

[p_rehbein]

See that the problem with you guys who teach standards that you don't keep....its called hypocrisy! Now the standard of faith and love we can keep if we are prayerful and walk near to God. And in this ALL the law and every commandment of God is fulfilled. See brother Christ gave you a commandment you can keep and in it keep all the law...if you choose to ignore his commandment and seek after your own righteousness by the law....Judgment Day will not be a good day for you! In the love of Christ, I say keep His commandment and He will love others through you by the Spirit of God, in you.

??? Ok, so now I'm a "you guys" who teaches "standards?" Where have I taught a "standard?" Do you know that I "don't keep His Commandments?" As I understand what you said here..........when I told that homeless guy "God bless you" and walked right past him. leaving him no better off than he was when I met him, that I ACTUALLY fulfilled Christ's commandment for us to love our neighbors? Don't want to put words in your mouth............just asking for clarification.

 

[Mitspa]

??? Ok, so now I'm a "you guys" who teaches "standards?" Where have I taught a "standard?" Do you know that I "don't keep His Commandments?" As I understand what you said here..........when I told that homeless guy "God bless you" and walked right past him. leaving him no better off than he was when I met him, that I ACTUALLY fulfilled Christ's commandment for us to love our neighbors? Don't want to put words in your mouth............just asking for clarification.

I have said what I said....and be sure that Judgment Day will not be good for those who teach standards that they do not keep.... I hope you do see and walk in the Love of God....but clearly you seem to have some issues with being free from the legalistic code of the Old Law of Moses.

 

[p_rehbein]

I have said what I said....and be sure that Judgment Day will not be good for those who teach standards that they do not keep.... I hope you do see and walk in the Love of God....but clearly you seem to have some issues with being free from the legalistic code of the Old Law of Moses.

??? show me in any of my comments where I have "some issues" being free of the Law of Moses? My comments.......not others.......ok?

I honestly believe that people are so very afraid of being labeled "legalist" that they deny that Scripture (throughout the Gospels, and the Epistles) teaches us that we are to ACTIVELY LIVE in obedience to what Jesus taught. It is NOT ENOUGH to pay lip service to God and our fellow man/neighbor..........we MUST SHOW in our daily lives that we love God and our fellow man/neighbor.........Jesus gave so many examples of this during His ministry that I can not comprehend anyone denying the importance of this.

Salvation is by Grace, and that by faith, a gift from God.......not by works, lest any man should boast.......(paraphrased)

BUT THE STORY/OUR WALK WITH CHRIST DOES NOT END THERE! (unless one dies immediately after receiving Christ into their hearts as their Lord and Saviour)

Saved by Grace, through faith.............NOW WHAT?

Why are people so terrified of admitting that our SALVATION MUST be followed by FRUITFUL SERVICE to God and our fellow man? Why? Because there are those standing nearby who will immediately shout out "LEGALIST!" should we acknowledge that lip service is not enough to actually be in Obedience to God. We MUST produce good fruit........and if we do not, what did Jesus say He would do to those that don't? Producing good fruits IS NOT adding to salvation, it is the "witness" of our salvation. Unless we ACTUALLY LIVE showing our love for God and our fellow man, how are we worthy of Him?

It is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that prepares us and enables us to be FRUITFUL. This is called Sanctification.

Ok, anyway, no matter how many times I draw a distinct difference between the Law of Moses and the Commandments of Jesus as I listed.........people only want to judge me by the Law of Moses.

To end this before someone gets their feelings hurt, which I do not wish anyone to do.........let me do as Brother Mitspa said. Use Scripture to describe what I believe.

I believe that Jesus gave us a clear example of what it means to "live" His Commandments of Love, and James expanded on this teaching as well. In my opinion, these two passages go hand in hand with teaching believers how they should walk Christ-like..........now, they are not the only examples..........just the two I chose........

Luke 10: 25 .) And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 .) He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 .) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 .) And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 .) But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 .) And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 .) And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 .) And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 .) But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 .) And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 .) And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 .) Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 .) And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

James 2: 15 .) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 .) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 .) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 .) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 .) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 .) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 .) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 .) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 .) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 .) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 .) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 .) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[The_highwayman]

??? show me in any of my comments where I have "some issues" being free of the Law of Moses? My comments.......not others.......ok?

I honestly believe that people are so very afraid of being labeled "legalist" that they deny that Scripture (throughout the Gospels, and the Epistles) teaches us that we are to ACTIVELY LIVE in obedience to what Jesus taught. It is NOT ENOUGH to pay lip service to God and our fellow man/neighbor..........we MUST SHOW in our daily lives that we love God and our fellow man/neighbor.........Jesus gave so many examples of this during His ministry that I can not comprehend anyone denying the importance of this.

Salvation is by Grace, and that by faith, a gift from God.......not by works, lest any man should boast.......(paraphrased)

BUT THE STORY/OUR WALK WITH CHRIST DOES NOT END THERE! (unless one dies immediately after receiving Christ into their hearts as their Lord and Saviour)

Saved by Grace, through faith.............NOW WHAT?

Why are people so terrified of admitting that our SALVATION MUST be followed by FRUITFUL SERVICE to God and our fellow man? Why? Because there are those standing nearby who will immediately shout out "LEGALIST!" should we acknowledge that lip service is not enough to actually be in Obedience to God. We MUST produce good fruit........and if we do not, what did Jesus say He would do to those that don't? Producing good fruits IS NOT adding to salvation, it is the "witness" of our salvation. Unless we ACTUALLY LIVE showing our love for God and our fellow man, how are we worthy of Him?

It is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that prepares us and enables us to be FRUITFUL. This is called Sanctification.

Ok, anyway, no matter how many times I draw a distinct difference between the Law of Moses and the Commandments of Jesus as I listed.........people only want to judge me by the Law of Moses.

To end this before someone gets their feelings hurt, which I do not wish anyone to do.........let me do as Brother Mitspa said. Use Scripture to describe what I believe.

I believe that Jesus gave us a clear example of what it means to "live" His Commandments of Love, and James expanded on this teaching as well. In my opinion, these two passages go hand in hand with teaching believers how they should walk Christ-like..........now, they are not the only examples..........just the two I chose........

Luke 10: 25 .) And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 .) He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 .) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 .) And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 .) But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 .) And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 .) And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 .) And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 .) But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 .) And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 .) And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 .) Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 .) And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

James 2: 15 .) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 .) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 .) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 .) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 .) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 .) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 .) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 .) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 .) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 .) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 .) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 .) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Careful p_rehbein you might cause Mitspa brain to explode with the truth....

You legalistic teacher you....

 

[JesusistheChrist]

??? show me in any of my comments where I have "some issues" being free of the Law of Moses? My comments.......not others.......ok?

I honestly believe that people are so very afraid of being labeled "legalist" that they deny that Scripture (throughout the Gospels, and the Epistles) teaches us that we are to ACTIVELY LIVE in obedience to what Jesus taught. It is NOT ENOUGH to pay lip service to God and our fellow man/neighbor..........we MUST SHOW in our daily lives that we love God and our fellow man/neighbor.........Jesus gave so many examples of this during His ministry that I can not comprehend anyone denying the importance of this.

Salvation is by Grace, and that by faith, a gift from God.......not by works, lest any man should boast.......(paraphrased)

BUT THE STORY/OUR WALK WITH CHRIST DOES NOT END THERE! (unless one dies immediately after receiving Christ into their hearts as their Lord and Saviour)

Saved by Grace, through faith.............NOW WHAT?

Why are people so terrified of admitting that our SALVATION MUST be followed by FRUITFUL SERVICE to God and our fellow man? Why? Because there are those standing nearby who will immediately shout out "LEGALIST!" should we acknowledge that lip service is not enough to actually be in Obedience to God. We MUST produce good fruit........and if we do not, what did Jesus say He would do to those that don't? Producing good fruits IS NOT adding to salvation, it is the "witness" of our salvation. Unless we ACTUALLY LIVE showing our love for God and our fellow man, how are we worthy of Him?

It is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that prepares us and enables us to be FRUITFUL. This is called Sanctification.

Ok, anyway, no matter how many times I draw a distinct difference between the Law of Moses and the Commandments of Jesus as I listed.........people only want to judge me by the Law of Moses.

To end this before someone gets their feelings hurt, which I do not wish anyone to do.........let me do as Brother Mitspa said. Use Scripture to describe what I believe.

I believe that Jesus gave us a clear example of what it means to "live" His Commandments of Love, and James expanded on this teaching as well. In my opinion, these two passages go hand in hand with teaching believers how they should walk Christ-like..........now, they are not the only examples..........just the two I chose........

Luke 10: 25 .) And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 .) He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 .) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 .) And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 .) But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 .) And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 .) And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 .) And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 .) But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 .) And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 .) And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 .) Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 .) And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

James 2: 15 .) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 .) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 .) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 .) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 .) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 .) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 .) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 .) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 .) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 .) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 .) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 .) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

They're terrified of admitting it because they've never been born again.

Somebody had to say it...

 

[michael56]

??? show me in any of my comments where I have "some issues" being free of the Law of Moses? My comments.......not others.......ok?

I honestly believe that people are so very afraid of being labeled "legalist" that they deny that Scripture (throughout the Gospels, and the Epistles) teaches us that we are to ACTIVELY LIVE in obedience to what Jesus taught. It is NOT ENOUGH to pay lip service to God and our fellow man/neighbor..........we MUST SHOW in our daily lives that we love God and our fellow man/neighbor.........Jesus gave so many examples of this during His ministry that I can not comprehend anyone denying the importance of this.

Salvation is by Grace, and that by faith, a gift from God.......not by works, lest any man should boast.......(paraphrased)

BUT THE STORY/OUR WALK WITH CHRIST DOES NOT END THERE! (unless one dies immediately after receiving Christ into their hearts as their Lord and Saviour)

Saved by Grace, through faith.............NOW WHAT?

Why are people so terrified of admitting that our SALVATION MUST be followed by FRUITFUL SERVICE to God and our fellow man? Why? Because there are those standing nearby who will immediately shout out "LEGALIST!" should we acknowledge that lip service is not enough to actually be in Obedience to God. We MUST produce good fruit........and if we do not, what did Jesus say He would do to those that don't? Producing good fruits IS NOT adding to salvation, it is the "witness" of our salvation. Unless we ACTUALLY LIVE showing our love for God and our fellow man, how are we worthy of Him?

It is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that prepares us and enables us to be FRUITFUL. This is called Sanctification.

Ok, anyway, no matter how many times I draw a distinct difference between the Law of Moses and the Commandments of Jesus as I listed.........people only want to judge me by the Law of Moses.

To end this before someone gets their feelings hurt, which I do not wish anyone to do.........let me do as Brother Mitspa said. Use Scripture to describe what I believe.

I believe that Jesus gave us a clear example of what it means to "live" His Commandments of Love, and James expanded on this teaching as well. In my opinion, these two passages go hand in hand with teaching believers how they should walk Christ-like..........now, they are not the only examples..........just the two I chose........

Luke 10: 25 .) And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 .) He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 .) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 .) And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 .) But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 .) And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 .) And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 .) And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 .) But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 .) And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 .) And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 .) Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 .) And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

James 2: 15 .) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 .) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 .) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 .) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 .) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 .) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 .) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 .) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 .) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 .) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 .) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 .) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Can you tell me. Do you obey all of the literal commands of Christ in the Gospels?
Do you strive(consciously seek to obey) each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels?
Do you believe every Christian should endeavour to obey each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels?

Sincere questions. Only I have known many to say all Christians should seek to obey each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels, but never met any Christian who has actually done so.

 

[michael56]

Saved by Grace, through faith.............NOW WHAT?

We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles [SUP]16 [/SUP]know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[SUP][d][/SUP] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.[SUP]17 [/SUP]“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! [SUP]18 [/SUP]If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. Gal2:15-18

 

[john832]

Can you tell me. Do you obey all of the literal commands of Christ in the Gospels?

To the best of my ability.
Do you?

Do you strive(consciously seek to obey) each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels?

Yes I do.

Do you?

Do you believe every Christian should endeavour to obey each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels.

Yes I do.

Do you?

Sincere questions. Only I have known many to say all Christians should seek to obey each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels, but never met any Christian who has actually done so.

I have met plenty who have said that the did not. What do you think Christ was doing? Flapping His gums to give His teeth some air?

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Christ said we should live by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

 

[michael56]

To the best of my ability.
Do you?



Yes I do.

Do you?



Yes I do.

Do you?



I have met plenty who have said that the did not. What do you think Christ was doing? Flapping His gums to give His teeth some air?

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Christ said we should live by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Therefore, if you are telling the truth(if you are not you are not living by Christ's commands) you love everyone you come into contact with on cc for example, and always write posts to them in a courteous and loving way without deviation from that

 

[john832]

Yes He is teaching love not legalism...he has already explained that the "letter" of the law produces sinful passions and that we must serve God in the spirit and not in the oldness of the letter...

Can you guys not see the truth?

More of your manufactured ideas. Paul said this about the Law...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The Law is not the problem, we are. God is not going to change His Law, He is going to change us.

 

[michael56]

More of your manufactured ideas. Paul said this about the Law...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The Law is not the problem, we are. God is not going to change His Law, He is going to change us.

why miss out such importance verses:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Rom 7:7-11

 

[john832]

Saved by Grace, through faith.............NOW WHAT?

We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles [SUP]16 [/SUP]know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[SUP][d][/SUP] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.[SUP]17 [/SUP]“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! [SUP]18 [/SUP]If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. Gal2:15-18

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[michael56]

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

And is part of those good works insisting of others what you fail to achieve in your own life? Sounds more of a Phariseeical attitude to me

 

[john832]

Therefore, if you are telling the truth(if you are not you are not living by Christ's commands) you love everyone you come into contact with on cc for example, and always write posts to them in a courteous and loving way without deviation from that

Uh, lemme see here, what did Christ say to those who perverted His Law?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

There is a difference between meek and weak.

 

[john832]

And is part of those good works insisting of others what you fail to achieve in your own life? Sounds more of a Phariseeical attitude to me

Oh, thank you for judging me.