Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.
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Neither one is right. Can we just follow the Text? Wrath - God's wrath - begins with the DAY of His wrath: at the 6th seal. The 70th week then starts with the 7th seal - so the entire 70th week is inside the Day of His wrath and the entire week comes with Wrath. The trumpets are in the first half, and the vials late in the second half.
Just as I expected: nonsense. You don't understand either of these time periods.
The 1335 relates to history and to the time of Antiochus. Using this number for future is myth.
The 1290 is another 30 days AFTER the last 1260 days ends.
Neither of these have ANYTHING to do with God's wrath in the future.
Thanks for answering.
The 1335 relates to history and to the time of Antiochus. Using this number for future is myth.
The 1290 is another 30 days AFTER the last 1260 days ends.
Neither of these have ANYTHING to do with God's wrath in the future.
Thanks for answering.
To be a Christian, a person has to receive the Messiah.. FULL stop.
WE become kings and priests in the Millinium to the unsaved that have survived, for we know their trials and tribulations.
Im not sure how you got that from above.
Not all die at the Battle of Arm.... life goes on, Jesus rules rather than man, but again after 1,000 years they become just as bad as now.
WE become kings and priests in the Millinium to the unsaved that have survived, for we know their trials and tribulations.
Im not sure how you got that from above.
Not all die at the Battle of Arm.... life goes on, Jesus rules rather than man, but again after 1,000 years they become just as bad as now.
Differ, the Jews are no different than anyone else, npo one is cghosen by heritage as we came from the Lords design, we are all chosen if we choose Jesus, and better off if we decide to follow HIM, as His 144,000 are not elite Jewish people but from every tribe and nation pon Earth. Remember Jesus has no favorites, all must cvhoose.
Jacob choose wisely
First born Esau and Cain did not. Choose equallity and love not sp[ecial status because pof lour parents or passport identification. Full Stop Selah
Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Jacob choose wisely
First born Esau and Cain did not. Choose equallity and love not sp[ecial status because pof lour parents or passport identification. Full Stop Selah
Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
But churches don't walk, people walk as individuals, a church can not save anyone, only Jesus and a personal decision makes one born again. Isnt that basic Christianity
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Whosoever..whosoever.... even a Jewish rabbi Nicodemis had to get saved and did ! and became a Christian when doing so.
I disagree (though I do not see "45 days after" either... [only a matter of several days, due to "overlap" issues, not "45" additional days]).
When Jesus said (Matt24:15), "When ye therefore shall see the abomination [singular] of desolation [singular], spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place...," there are only two choices in Daniel where the "SINGULAR" is used... one in chpt 11 (about Antiochus Epiphanes) and one in chpt 12 (12:11 - "and the abomination [singular] of desolation SET UP [H5414 - put, appoint]...");
--and bearing in mind that vv.6-7,1 provide the same time-period that 7:25 also had spoken of (which is parallel to the other passages in Scripture speaking to the same future second half of the Trib yrs);
--and how Daniel is told he will "rest [in death] and STAND IN THY LOT [be resurrected / 'to stand again' (on the earth)] at the END of the DAYS [at the END of the "days" referred to IN THIS CONTEXT; i.e. at the END of the future Trib yrs, which is when ALL OT saints will be resurrected FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age (see Job19:25-27, for example; see also Matt8:11 and its parallel... re: the "meal [G347 - "shall sit down (around a table; at a meal)]"<--corresponding to other passages with same, as I've mentioned in past posts)]";
--and how Dan12:12's "BLESSED" corresponds with about 9-10 other "BLESSED" passages speaking of the "still-living" saints' [at the END of the Trib] ENTRANCE INTO the earthly MK age, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth (same time-slot and circumstances in each of these [8-10] related "BLESSED" passages)
[again, the "ye/you" of Matthew 24 / Olivet Discourse is a "CONSISTENT 'ye/you'" and is NOT speaking of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... example: v.9 ('ye') and v.15 ('ye') are the SAME "ye" group... WE WON'T BE HERE!
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When Jesus said (Matt24:15), "When ye therefore shall see the abomination [singular] of desolation [singular], spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place...," there are only two choices in Daniel where the "SINGULAR" is used... one in chpt 11 (about Antiochus Epiphanes) and one in chpt 12 (12:11 - "and the abomination [singular] of desolation SET UP [H5414 - put, appoint]...");
--and bearing in mind that vv.6-7,1 provide the same time-period that 7:25 also had spoken of (which is parallel to the other passages in Scripture speaking to the same future second half of the Trib yrs);
--and how Daniel is told he will "rest [in death] and STAND IN THY LOT [be resurrected / 'to stand again' (on the earth)] at the END of the DAYS [at the END of the "days" referred to IN THIS CONTEXT; i.e. at the END of the future Trib yrs, which is when ALL OT saints will be resurrected FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age (see Job19:25-27, for example; see also Matt8:11 and its parallel... re: the "meal [G347 - "shall sit down (around a table; at a meal)]"<--corresponding to other passages with same, as I've mentioned in past posts)]";
--and how Dan12:12's "BLESSED" corresponds with about 9-10 other "BLESSED" passages speaking of the "still-living" saints' [at the END of the Trib] ENTRANCE INTO the earthly MK age, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth (same time-slot and circumstances in each of these [8-10] related "BLESSED" passages)
[again, the "ye/you" of Matthew 24 / Olivet Discourse is a "CONSISTENT 'ye/you'" and is NOT speaking of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... example: v.9 ('ye') and v.15 ('ye') are the SAME "ye" group... WE WON'T BE HERE!
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So say ye, that Daniel 12 is past tense..... I differ saying it is future tense and exact and matches up exactly with all the other exact time periods of the Lord
Daniel 12 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Maybe you are reading from an old old bible, mine says time of the end...... after the Great Tribulation
Daniel 12 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Maybe you are reading from an old old bible, mine says time of the end...... after the Great Tribulation
Revelation is in chronological order
7 churches
7 Seals
Seven Years for us, starting as soon as Covenant signed after Mid East War
Seven Trumpets delivered by 2 Christian WITNESSES
Last Trump is Jesus in the clouds Rev 10;7
Seven Vials
No over laps...continumum... no missing links in history or prophecy
7 churches
7 Seals
Seven Years for us, starting as soon as Covenant signed after Mid East War
Seven Trumpets delivered by 2 Christian WITNESSES
Last Trump is Jesus in the clouds Rev 10;7
Seven Vials
No over laps...continumum... no missing links in history or prophecy
By mortal humans. Who else?
The "nations", per Rev 20-
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
iow, mortal humans.
Your claim has no support from Scripture. Rev 20 lays it all out. Christ returns at the 2nd Advent, ends the battle of Armageddon and sets up His Millennial kingdom. At that point, all believers will have been resurrected and "gathered" (raptured) and will serve Christ in His kingdom. Who does Christ rule over? The nations. According to Scripture, somewhat less that HALF of earth's population will have died during the Trib. So at today's count, that leaves somewhat less than 3.5 B people. Certainly enough to form nations.
The "nations", per Rev 20-
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
iow, mortal humans.
Your claim has no support from Scripture. Rev 20 lays it all out. Christ returns at the 2nd Advent, ends the battle of Armageddon and sets up His Millennial kingdom. At that point, all believers will have been resurrected and "gathered" (raptured) and will serve Christ in His kingdom. Who does Christ rule over? The nations. According to Scripture, somewhat less that HALF of earth's population will have died during the Trib. So at today's count, that leaves somewhat less than 3.5 B people. Certainly enough to form nations.
I disagree (though I do not see "45 days after" either... [only a matter of several days, due to "overlap" issues, not "45" additional days]).
When Jesus said (Matt24:15), "When ye therefore shall see the abomination [singular] of desolation [singular], spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place...," there are only two choices in Daniel where the "SINGULAR" is used... one in chpt 11 (about Antiochus Epiphanes) and one in chpt 12 (12:11 - "and the abomination [singular] of desolation SET UP [H5414 - put, appoint]...");
--and bearing in mind that vv.6-7,1 provide the same time-period that 7:25 also had spoken of (which is parallel to the other passages in Scripture speaking to the same future second half of the Trib yrs);
--and how Daniel is told he will "rest [in death] and STAND IN THY LOT [be resurrected / 'to stand again' (on the earth)] at the END of the DAYS [at the END of the "days" referred to IN THIS CONTEXT; i.e. at the END of the future Trib yrs, which is when ALL OT saints will be resurrected FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age (see Job19:25-27, for example; see also Matt8:11 and its parallel... re: the "meal [G347 - "shall sit down (around a table; at a meal)]"<--corresponding to other passages with same, as I've mentioned in past posts)]";
--and how Dan12:12's "BLESSED" corresponds with about 9-10 other "BLESSED" passages speaking of the "still-living" saints' [at the END of the Trib] ENTRANCE INTO the earthly MK age, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth (same time-slot and circumstances in each of these [8-10] related "BLESSED" passages)
[again, the "ye/you" of Matthew 24 / Olivet Discourse is a "CONSISTENT 'ye/you'" and is NOT speaking of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... example: v.9 ('ye') and v.15 ('ye') are the SAME "ye" group... WE WON'T BE HERE! ]
When Jesus said (Matt24:15), "When ye therefore shall see the abomination [singular] of desolation [singular], spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place...," there are only two choices in Daniel where the "SINGULAR" is used... one in chpt 11 (about Antiochus Epiphanes) and one in chpt 12 (12:11 - "and the abomination [singular] of desolation SET UP [H5414 - put, appoint]...");
--and bearing in mind that vv.6-7,1 provide the same time-period that 7:25 also had spoken of (which is parallel to the other passages in Scripture speaking to the same future second half of the Trib yrs);
--and how Daniel is told he will "rest [in death] and STAND IN THY LOT [be resurrected / 'to stand again' (on the earth)] at the END of the DAYS [at the END of the "days" referred to IN THIS CONTEXT; i.e. at the END of the future Trib yrs, which is when ALL OT saints will be resurrected FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age (see Job19:25-27, for example; see also Matt8:11 and its parallel... re: the "meal [G347 - "shall sit down (around a table; at a meal)]"<--corresponding to other passages with same, as I've mentioned in past posts)]";
--and how Dan12:12's "BLESSED" corresponds with about 9-10 other "BLESSED" passages speaking of the "still-living" saints' [at the END of the Trib] ENTRANCE INTO the earthly MK age, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth (same time-slot and circumstances in each of these [8-10] related "BLESSED" passages)
[again, the "ye/you" of Matthew 24 / Olivet Discourse is a "CONSISTENT 'ye/you'" and is NOT speaking of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... example: v.9 ('ye') and v.15 ('ye') are the SAME "ye" group... WE WON'T BE HERE!
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I take it that Matthew 24:6-7-8 ("beginning of sorrows") speaks to the first 3-1/2 years....
It really amazes me that you continue to push this LIE about no takers. You have been shown 2 Thess 2:1-3 many times.
Well, you sure see "pretrib" in just about everything, huh.
In NONE of these examples above is there any mention of a tribulation. But maybe you could take the time to take each example, one at a time, and explain how the example proves that Jesus raptures believers and takes them to heaven.
Since we all know that NONE of the rapture verses mentions that the resurrected and raptured believers are taken to heaven.
Do you actually know how many is in NONE?
Well, you sure see "pretrib" in just about everything, huh.
In NONE of these examples above is there any mention of a tribulation. But maybe you could take the time to take each example, one at a time, and explain how the example proves that Jesus raptures believers and takes them to heaven.
Since we all know that NONE of the rapture verses mentions that the resurrected and raptured believers are taken to heaven.
Do you actually know how many is in NONE?
Your claims are false, when Jesus Christ returns the last enemy death is destroyed, as the resurrection and changing takes place
Your eschatology has the glorified body being received, and death still existing in your claim of a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth
1 Corinthians 15:22-26 & 51-54KJV
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Your eschatology has the glorified body being received, and death still existing in your claim of a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth
1 Corinthians 15:22-26 & 51-54KJV
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Where I had written "bear in mind that vv.6-7,1 provides the same time period that 7:25 also had spoken of...," I was NOT speaking of Matt24, but of Daniel 12 [Daniel 12:6-7,1] (the chpt that "lamad" suggests corresponds with Antiochus Epiphanes [in past history], and not the future trib years--of which idea I DISAGREE)
When it comes to MATTHEW 24:6-8, yes[!], that is indeed IN / DURING / WITHIN the "future" TRIB yrs, in the FIRST HALF[!]... so you and I are in agreement here.
My apologies for being unclear (since I had opted for a sparsely-worded explanation... my theory held true... it was unclear to the reader, namely *you* this time, due to not enough explanatory text ... I'm taking note, and will go back to my more-detailed explanations, so as to make unmistakable, my intentions. Thank you for bringing that to my attention, yet again!!! )
When it comes to MATTHEW 24:6-8, yes[!], that is indeed IN / DURING / WITHIN the "future" TRIB yrs, in the FIRST HALF[!]... so you and I are in agreement here.
My apologies for being unclear (since I had opted for a sparsely-worded explanation... my theory held true... it was unclear to the reader, namely *you* this time, due to not enough explanatory text
... I'm taking note, and will go back to my more-detailed explanations, so as to make unmistakable, my intentions. Thank you for bringing that to my attention, yet again!!! )-
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