Local church

[Angela53510]

Are you eluding to the modern paid pastor that quit his job to teach 40 minutes on Sunday for a full 40 hour paycheck?

With a title that places him above the other elder teachers? If so I have already provided the scriptures that counter all that. Should I write them out again for the millionth time?

I wasn't going to respond to you, but this kind of absurd nonsense tells me how little you know about what it takes to actually prepare a sermon, let alone the other aspects of being a pastor, such as leading Bible studies and prayer meetings, visiting the sick, and certainly tending to business are all part of a pastor's job. Unless they are in a church big enough to hire someone to do all those other jobs. But I have never met a pastor like that.

Oh and outreach. The pastor always seems to be involved in finding ways to reach the surrounding community.

I have to agree with all the others who say you are a bitter old man, Yet! It's really sad because I do believe God has called you to reach the lost, from the DVD you made. But even if you do share Christ with the lost, where are they going to learn to grow and hear the word of God? In your narrow little word, the answer is no where. Talk about disaffected!

 

[Willie-T]

LBTW,

Go read Luke 14:26, and then come back here and tell us what you believe we are being told there.

This will quickly demonstrate how terribly confused and possibly wrong a Lone Wolf approach to Bible study can be.

Am I really alone though?
The Holy Spirit helps me with scripture.It's keeping these treasures to myself that would be the problem.
Maybe and most likely some people are lone wolves because they didn't fit in with the majority and gotten ridiculed or kicked out.Or maybe they just got sick of stumbling around. idk.

I must have missed what you said. What did you and The Holy Spirit determine Luke 14:26 meant?

 

[pwrnJC]

Bookends...
It's thru a local church community that what a single individual can't do, others in CHRIST can do together. I am not sure I totally understand your post, but I do gather that you don't 'hold it against anyone" who does not attend regularly. BIG DEAL..we're not to be the Attendee Police. We've got a much higher calling and mission. I do believe the local church community should be more like a hospital for the sick than a country club for the privileged. A training ground, a base of operations where fellow CHRISTIANS can be challenged, fed and launched out for His service.

 

[Persuaded]

Ok I'm sorry.I'm not smart and I don't claim to be. The last thing I want to be is a lone wolf. It sucks to go against the grain.and I didn't mean to get heated but I guess it's just part of my personality,which needs to be tamed lol. But warped? not even.I agree that it's good to get together in worship,just not in a dimonation church,which are more like corporation churches. Didn't Jesus over turning the money changers tables in the temple mean anything?the releasing of the sheep and doves? Even though I knew all this from the Lord through the Holy Spirit I still wanted to go to church just so I can worship with brothers and sisters and testify.Which I did, and quickly found out that a dimonation church just itches your ears. I'd rather feel guilty of the truth then have my ear itched.

How many churches have you really attended and what denomination were they?
Why did you choose a particular church? The building, the location, someone you know?
Never be afraid to ask for a written statement of what they believe and teach and practice.
If they can not or will not, walk away. Talk to the pastor one on one. Ask him questions.
Don't interrupt the service. Wait your turn. Take notes and study what they teach.
Finding the right local church takes time and effort and prayer.
Fellowshipping with a local church is a blessing that all of God's children should enjoy.
That is why He told us to do so.

We are also told to test the spirits. Satan is the great deceiver. That is why it is important to study with others.
Ask questions, check what others teach by the Scripture.
When you are the only one who believes one way, maybe you should think again and consider you might be wrong.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

I must have missed what you said. What did you and The Holy Spirit determine Luke 14:26 meant?

By putting God first? how does this relate to being a lone wolf?I'm confused by what your trying to get at.

 

[Persuaded]

I belong to the global Church by Faith in Christ as my savior.

I attend a local church, but I'm a "sign here, pay your dues" member. I think it unbiblical for denominations to require local churches to pay membership fees.

Also, the bible does not clearly state how often we are to attend a "congregational meeting" ; that said, I go every week, but I don't hold it against anyone who doesn't. I often feel church really doesn't start until the parking lot conversing beings after the main services.

Don't forget that Jesus said when two or more gather in my name, there I will also be.

A membership fee, I never heard of such a thing.
Everyone is welcome at our church. No dress code, as long as you are covered. I often wear jeans and boots. No fees, no cost to you. Just conduct yourself as you would at any public gathering so as not to offent others.
If I are asked to pay a fee or buy a ticket , I would leave as fast as I could.

 

[Bookends]

Are you eluding to the modern paid pastor that quit his job to teach 40 minutes on Sunday for a full 40 hour paycheck?

With a title that places him above the other elder teachers? If so I have already provided the scriptures that counter all that. Should I write them out again for the millionth time?

I would agree that the single salaried "sign on the dotted line" "pastor" has no biblical support, but neither does staying home for the error have biblical support either. Our previous pastor just left for more pay and to be closer to family and I have to remind myself not to judge his heart and be resentful and leave it to God. A good pastor is an head elder who doesn't rule from the top down, but as a humble servant.

The bible does support for us to take care of the teacher's needs.

 

[Willie-T]

By putting God first? how does this relate to being a lone wolf?I'm confused by what your trying to get at.

I'm only asking you to say what those specific words tell us to do.

We all know. You know. But, you did not get that from just reading Luke 14:26. Because that verse does not say what you opened with above. Someone told you. And it was not a direct revelation from The Holy Spirit. You had someone actually, verbally tell you to go look at Matthew 10:37-39. (or you read it in a book)

Yes, The Holy Spirit "leads" us into all understanding, but it is quite rare that we are dynamically infused with Heavenly intuition like a lightning bolt, zapping us out of the blue. True, sometimes He helps us turn to just the page we need for fuller understanding. But more often our deeper understanding on things comes from something else God gave us.... TEACHERS. Be they live teachers speaking directly to us, or dead teachers, speaking from the pages of a book.

 

[Angela53510]

I just want to see the scriptures that lead him to believe that a dimonation church is needed.

I'm kind of confused how someone who has been saved since September has it all together about heresy, doctrine, and church denominations. (Please try and spell it better. You have repeatedly spelled it wrong in post after post, hereby bringing out the "make you write it properly on the blackboard 100 times after school" school teacher in me.)

My husband and I have been to many churches, both independent and denominational. I don't agree with everything in either kind of church. But they are ALL MUCH better than sitting at home by yourself, reading the Bible you don't understand, and calling everyone out for fellowshipping together, which is what Hebrews 10:25 is about.

If you knew anything about Biblical context, you would realize that historically, one of the most important things for a Jew was to be able to fellowship with other Jews. A synagogue needed 10 men to be a place where they could worship God together. So Jews congregated together in communities so they could meet daily in the synagogue and discuss the Scriptures. It was THAT IMPORTANT!

Do you think that things suddenly changed with the birth of the church? The first Christians were all Jews, and they met together in the synagogues and together for teaching and encouragement. There are literally so many verses that talk about this, it would be impossible to post them all.

"As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions that had been reached by the apostles and elders who were in Jerusalem.5 So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and they increased in numbers daily." Acts 16:4-5

Do you see what happened? They met to hear the important decisions from Jerusalem (read: 1st century denomination headquarters) and because of the decisions made by the people in charge of the "denomination" we're strengthening them in faith and more and more people saved. So, that is one passage. But continuing in the exact same chapter of Acts, we find Paul in Greece, and Jews meeting together.

"And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed there was a place of prayer, and we sat down and spoke to the women who had come together.14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul." Acts 16:13-14

These women who met together weren't even men, and didn't qualify as a synagogue! But God used the opportunity for Paul to share the gospel with Lydia, and she was saved - which is the birth of the church of Phillippi, made famous in the Bible by the book Paul wrote called: To the Phillippians. (Wait, that is what it is called in Greek!)

So there, in less that 14 verses, you have two incidents of people gathering together, and spiritual and physical growth coming out of those gatherings.

My suggestion is that you, like Yet, seriously need to attend a church and humbly learn what is being taught. Of course, a Bible believing church, but one where people are gathered together to do the will of God, as taught in the Bible.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

How many churches have you really attended and what denomination were they?
Why did you choose a particular church? The building, the location, someone you know?
Never be afraid to ask for a written statement of what they believe and teach and practice.
If they can not or will not, walk away. Talk to the pastor one on one. Ask him questions.
Don't interrupt the service. Wait your turn. Take notes and study what they teach.
Finding the right local church takes time and effort and prayer.
Fellowshipping with a local church is a blessing that all of God's children should enjoy.
That is why He told us to do so.

We are also told to test the spirits. Satan is the great deceiver. That is why it is important to study with others.
Ask questions, check what others teach by the Scripture.
When you are the only one who believes one way, maybe you should think again and consider you might be wrong.

Where I'm from,there isn't a church didn't have corruption.
I do know that God has his people in the church.Most of them don't know what is secretly going on,but there are also those who do who are his, including pastors.They are the ones who know are snared.
Yes,I'm talking about satanists,and God will raise them up at the last day.

 

[Willie-T]

Where I'm from,there isn't a church didn't have corruption.
I do know that God has his people in the church.Most of them don't know what is secretly going on,but there are also those who do who are his, including pastors.They are the ones who know are snared.
Yes,I'm talking about satanists,and God will raise them up at the last day.

Then they have been in the church forever, since "the last days" began at Pentecost, according to what Peter stood up that day and declared to the crowd.

So, what is your big shock now? This is just the way things have always been since the beginning of the church.

 

[Bookends]

A membership fee, I never heard of such a thing.
Everyone is welcome at our church. No dress code, as long as you are covered. I often wear jeans and boots. No fees, no cost to you. Just conduct yourself as you would at any public gathering so as not to offent others.
If I are asked to pay a fee or buy a ticket , I would leave as fast as I could.

Our church requires a fee for headcount "sign on the line members", as most denominations do. However, many churches, including mine, don't actually require you to pay it, but rather take it out of the general offering plate. I refuse to sign on the dotted line for any denomination, I don't like the concept of denominations and I think it's unscriptural. But the error doesn't keep me from gathering in a denomination or my church. What keeps me in a local church my love for the body and the bodies love for me, and correct doctrine on the essentials of coarse.

BTW, no one is required to become a certified member, and I'm treated just as if I were one.

 

[Willie-T]

Our church requires a fee for headcount "sign on the line members", as most denominations do. However, many churches, including mine, don't actually require you to pay it, but rather take it out of the general offering plate. I refuse to sign on the dotted line for any denomination, I don't like the concept of denominations and I think it's unscriptural. But the error doesn't keep me from gathering in a denomination or my church. What keeps me in a local church my love for the body and the bodies love for me, and correct doctrine on the essentials of coarse.

We don't even HAVE a membership roll in our congregation.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

I'm only asking you to say what those specific words tell us to do.

We all know. You know. But, you did not get that from just reading Luke 14:26. Because that verse does not say what you opened with above. Someone told you. And it was not a direct revelation from The Holy Spirit. You had someone actually, verbally tell you to go look at Matthew 10:37-39. (or you read it in a book)

Yes, The Holy Spirit "leads" us into all understanding, but it is quite rare that we are dynamically infused with Heavenly intuition like a lightning bolt, zapping us out of the blue. True, sometimes He helps us turn to just the page we need for fuller understanding. But more often our deeper understanding on things comes from something else God gave us.... TEACHERS. Be they live teachers speaking directly to us, or dead teachers, speaking from the pages of a book.

Teachers in a dimonation church with milk offerings no thanks.I do get along with a pastor but I don't think he has ever offered anything other then support during troubled times which is good.
I could find that same support with out a dimonation church.

 

[Persuaded]

Where I'm from,there isn't a church didn't have corruption.
I do know that God has his people in the church.Most of them don't know what is secretly going on,but there are also those who do who are his, including pastors.They are the ones who know are snared.
Yes,I'm talking about satanists,and God will raise them up at the last day.

So most of the members don't know what is going on , but you do know being an outsider.
Can you explaim that to us?
Be honest, how many churches have you really visited?

 

[Willie-T]

Teachers in a dimonation church with milk offerings no thanks.I do get along with a pastor but I don't think he has ever offered anything other then support during troubled times which is good.
I could find that same support with out a dimonation church.

When's the last time you phoned him at home, and arranged to just get together for coffee... or even for a beer? Don't make this man your idea of a god, and place him on a pedestal where he can't be just as human as you. Be his friend, don't just "use" him to be of service to you in some "spiritual" capacity.

Oh yeah..... and, YOU buy.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Then they have been in the church forever, since "the last days" began at Pentecost, according to what Peter stood up that day and declared to the crowd.

So, what is your big shock now? This is just the way things have always been since the beginning of the church.

Probably been there since the Israelites first worshipped false idols , alls I know is that when I was there to witness these sorts of things God would say ''I'll raise them up at the last day'' when I considered them my enemies. He wanted me to know that his people were snared and I should forgive them.
I was persecuted by these churches since I was a child.

 

[Willie-T]

And, as you were told, the spelling is getting a little old.

It's: denomination .... de·nom·i·na·tion .... /dəˌnäməˈnāSH(ə)n/

 

[Bookends]

We don't even HAVE a membership roll in our congregation.

I guess you one of the few then, are you non-denominational?

The fees go toward the overhead for the denomination, ex. regional pastor, literature.

 

[Willie-T]

I guess you one of the few then, are you non-denominational?

...........................................Nope.