misunderstandings between Catholics and Christians

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Well, it was actually a PM, advising him that perhaps CC was not a place where he would want to be leading a cheering section for Catholics. I foolishly thought I was being kind, so that he might not end up with hurt feelings.
That's what I love about you, Brother; you're direct and take no prisoners, but you are indeed kind and caring at the same time. Thanks for keeping it real.
 
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Matt210

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Ok, we are finally going in the right direction. JesusLives posted very reasonable questions about the Catholic Church without making anything up. I will do my best to explain what faithful Catholics believe on each question.

Purgatory is something that I personally struggle with the concept of. It is very confusing to me. Back in the early days of the Church they preached something called Limbo, which meant something similar. Purgatory is a "place" where God cleanses you of your sins to make you perfect in order to see Him. It is very complicated and it is NOT a belief that Catholics must entrust. It is our best understanding of the subject. If you don't believe me, PLEASE READ THE CATHECISM.a

Next point, confession. Here is a Bible quote:
Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" (John 20:21–23

I continue to ask which Bible we are reading, this is CRUCIAL. I can quote my Bible all day on confession, but if we are reading different Bibles, this conversation is useless.

Infant Baptism, I don't wish to address this right now, might be the easiest to refute, but the sources are so easily accessed that I challenge you to look up the actual Church's teachings.

With regards to Mary, we DO NOT WORSHIP HER.

I will recite what we pray THROUGH Her.

"Hail Mary" we acknowledge that she is the Mother of our Lord. "Full of Grace" would God not send his Son to someone full of His Grace? "The Lord Be With You", do Christians not wish the Lord to be with His mother. This part is also Biblical and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong, but I digress.

"Blessed art thou amongst Women" is the mother our Lord not the most blessed of all women, this is also Biblical as St. Elizabeth explicitly states this in the Bible.

"And Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus". Our Lord came from Our Mother. Indisputable.

"Holy Mary", She is holy, we can't dispute this either.

"Mother of God" I challenge anyone to argue this.

"Pray for us sinners, now and at the our of our death". This is interesting. Has anyone on this website ever asked somebody to pray for them. The answer is YES. Why can't Catholics ask the mother of our Lord to pray for them. If Christ will listen to any of us, I would think that the person he holds in the highest esteem is his mother. For those of you that have never asked anyone to pray for you, I suppose you will not understand.

Here is the full Prayer:

Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee
Blessed Are Though Amongst Women,
And Blessed is the Fruit of Thy Womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for us Sinners
Now and at the Hour of our Death, Amen
 

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Mary IS NOT OUR INTERCESSOR. She is NOT to be prayed to. She cannot pray for you, she does NOT intercede for you. Mary is dead..bones and ashes dead. Our intercessor is JESUS and he ONLY can intercede for us. That is what catholics have a hard time believing: that a dead woman cannot, does not and will not pray for them.
 
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Matt210

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Will anyone read through my last post and put some thought into it so that we can have a reasonable discussion?
 
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Matt210

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Lady Blue, are you a Seventh Day Adventist or Jehovah's witness, because what you just said disagree with most protestants.
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Mary IS NOT OUR INTERCESSOR. She is NOT to be prayed to. She cannot pray for you, she does NOT intercede for you. Mary is dead..bones and ashes dead. Our intercessor is JESUS and he ONLY can intercede for us. That is what catholics have a hard time believing: that a dead woman cannot, does not and will not pray for them.
Completely agree with you on this.
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Lady Blue, are you a Seventh Day Adventist or Jehovah's witness, because what you just said disagree with most protestants.
And I would disagree with this statement. Most protestants don't believe in praying to Mary or that Mary can intercede for us.
 
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Matt210

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We do not pray to Mary, we pray THROUGH Mary, this is a very important distinction. Has anyone here ever asked somebody to pray for them?

I am laughing as I write this, because I know most of you have, but will not answer the question.
 
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We do not pray to Mary, we pray THROUGH Mary, this is a very important distinction. Has anyone here ever asked somebody to pray for them?

I am laughing as I write this, because I know most of you have, but will not answer the question.
Yes I do, and they are alive. No one dead can do anything for you. Pretty simple.
 

blue_ladybug

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You cannot pray THROUGH someone.. that's like trying to get to God by going through anyone other than Jesus..
 
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Matt210

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So God killed his Mother?

"Yes I do, and they are alive. No one dead can do anything for you. Pretty simple."


I have heard the same argument many times.

Atheists use the same logic. Catholics believe in a soul that never dies.

AGAIN, WHO ASSEMBLED THE BIBLE?
 
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Matt210

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Everyone can see this post, I have asked more times than I can count, I pray that somebody reads it.

Who assembled the Bible?
 
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WarriorForChrist

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So God killed his Mother?

"Yes I do, and they are alive. No one dead can do anything for you. Pretty simple."


I have heard the same argument many times.

Atheists use the same logic. Catholics believe in a soul that never dies.

AGAIN, WHO ASSEMBLED THE BIBLE?
Mary died just like the rest of us will. How hard is that to understand?
 
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Nothing separates the Body of Christ. Not even death. Also, she LIKE ALL CHRISTIANS, is not dead but present to Christ before His Throne.
 
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Matt210

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I do not expect a response to that question. Don't feel bad.
 
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Matt210

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We can talk all day, but again the most important question is standing out in an embarrassing manner. WHO ASSEMBLED THE BIBLE? should I use larger font to catch someone's attention?
 
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WarriorForChrist

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We can talk all day, but again the most important question is standing out in an embarrassing manner. WHO ASSEMBLED THE BIBLE? should I use larger font to catch someone's attention?
The Holy Spirit did through men. :)