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joaniemarie

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I actually took you back off of ignore so I could post on your Joseph Prince Bible devotions. I thought it was unfair to post there & have you on ignore at the same time.

Besides, if I didn't post on them, you wouldn't have any posts at all.
;)
Now I have another reason to keep you off ignore. I couldn't have us agreeing on anything, could I?


Well Stephen, it seems you're the only one who is concerned about the numbers of people posting on my devotional threads. Gee., you seem to take such a personal interest in my threads. This obsession is not good for you Stephen.


But really Stephen, it's not a matter of you being "unfair" about posting on the threads I put up. It's more about you being a little wacky maybe?? Why would you want to answer someone who you put on ignore already anyway?? Isn't the reason you put a person on ignore so you don't have to think or read their posts???
Sounds a bit wacky that you changed your mind again. Maybe you are just getting too stressed out over this ??
Put me back on ignore Stephen and save yourself the stress!!

 
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Wow, the back and forth that is going on amazes me. I think people are confused about suffering, infirmities, persecution and trials. First and foremost no matter what you have been taught, these are not from God, he is not the author of evil or bad. There are two systems operating in this world, Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Darkness. The two Kingdoms collide on a constant basis

If you think God is using the kingdom of darkness to teach you, you are missing the whole point of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Yes, we suffer in this life, but the suffering is never at the hands of God.

I have said this over and over, read Mark 4: 13-20 Jesus specifically states if you do not understand this parable, you will not understand the Kingdom of Heaven and how it operates. In this world, when you take a stand on God's word, Satan comes immediately to steal the Word sown in your heart through persecution and afflictions..I am not denying we face suffering, persecution, and trials in life, I am denying it is God doing this to test you or see where you are at in the Kingdom.

When you take a stand for God, resistance comes. Try telling people today that God has said marriage is between a man and a women, try saying There is only one way to God, its through Jesus, try saying God heals, God is good, America was founded on Christian principles, abortion its wrong, sex outside of marriage is wrong. I promise you will suffer persecution, not only from the World, but also from people you sit in church with everyday. All the disciples, Apostles, Jesus himself suffered for the sake of the Word, but it was not sent from God. There is one exception. God made Jesus the scapegoat for all these things, he made him suffer for mankind one time for all people redeeming us from the curse of the Law. You do realize where ever you read a curse in the law, Jesus bore the punishment for that curse so you did not have to. He does not expect you to do what Jesus did on the cross that is why he used Jesus. Does anyone remember that God knows the end from the beginning? He already knows what you are going to do.

Satan and his Kingdom are who resist you on a daily basis. If you get sick, its not from God, if you get in a car accident, its not from God, if you lose a spouse or young child to sickness, disease, accident or anything that contradicts with Long life I will satisfy you and show you my salvation its not God.

I keep reading well God allows it. Well God allows rape, murder, sickness, disease, war and the list goes on and on. The key is God allows many things, but he is not the author of these things, men are. That is why Jesus said I give YOU the keys to the kingdom, whatsoever YOU bind on earth must be what is bound in heaven, whatsoever things you LOOSE on earth will be loosed in Heaven.

Men refuse to put Gods way of doing things in practice. Do you actually think if we truly loved one another there would be wars on this earth? Of course there would not be, but guess what? There are men out there on a daily basis who are purposely defying God and doing what the selfish dictates of their heart are prompting them to do and it affects us! Just look at ISIS!

We can miss God and cause undo suffering in our lives, but again, its was not by God's design. We can run to God in any situation but it will take time to walk through any situation as we apply the word of God. Peter tells us that God has given us all things that pertains to LIFE AND GODLINESS through the knowledge of him. In other things, you better know your covenant, what Jesus did for you, who you are in Christ and how to apply that covenant to your life. All of us are at different stages in our walk with God so it will vary with each individual.

We can complicate our lives by doing stupid things, like going out side and playing in the snow in shorts then getting sick. Who did this to you? God or your own foolishness?

In the 1980's I had a young son pass away and he is with God in heaven right now and to my relief I will see him again. Did it hurt at the time, yes, did God allow it, Nope the disease that killed him took him. Back then I did not know how to stand against sickness or disease and the devil stole my son from me. However, I am blessed to tell you I have two other great kids, but never once did I even say well God allowed this, ordained this or orchestrated this. Our Father in Heaven is not a thief, especially when we read that death is an enemy.

I think the biggest problem is we do not understand the two kingdoms we walk in on a daily basis.

I will tell you a quick story the i personally experienced as as Associate Pastor. I visited the sick on a regular basis. A couple who went to our church were traveling on Highway 169 going north at the end of their work day. A drunk driver traveling south, lost control of his vehicle, crossed the median, and landed on top of their car destroying it and putting them in the hospital for almost one year. Both of them had dozens of bones broken in their bodies, died numerous times on the operating table, but in the long run they walked out of the hospital, but both are severely crippled but can still drive. Here is the kicker and we butted heads over this and they ended up leaving the church.

They both started a ministry and went around our state telling everyone about how good God was to send a drunk to destroy their car and lives so they could minister the gospel to people. In the middle of their testimony at our church I shut them down and I very calmly said, the goodness of this accident is God preserved your life, but he did not send this on you to be a witness for him. God would have been very content if you had been witnessing for him prior to the accident and he darn sure did not send a drunk to get you to minister for him. Satan tried to take you out is what actually happened. However, they continued to spread their poison that God was the one who did this to them and it infected and discouraged many people who were trying to believe God for healing. It caused them to doubt God, his goodness and worse, they did not stand for healing because they thought they were resisting the will of God. This type of testimony is poison to the body of Christ and the world. It literally says, come serve my God, he will cripple you, destroy your life, use a drunk to teach you life lessons. Isn't he such a loving Father?

I also say this and its an old saying, if God is the one making you sick, why are you resisting God and taking medicine? Just think about it. Yes we suffer failings in our walk, there are some things I have missed thinking I was believing correctly, and did not see the results I was believing for or better said, I thought I was believing for, but never once have I said, God did this to me, he used darkness to teach a child of light.

Just think about it.
Amen. Saying that God sends things to destroy His children is a bunch of religious nonsense. Nor does He allow others to destroy His children. The Father didn't send the devil to destroy people so that He could send Jesus afterward.

That's a "sick god" bred from our own religious church teachings. It's no wonder some people reject how we portray God to them.

Jesus Himself is perfect theology. He is the expressed image of the nature and will of the Father being done. Do we see Jesus "allowing" things to happen to teach His disciples things? Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil.

Look at the life of Jesus while He was on this earth and see how He dealt with things and you will see the true way that our Father operates towards us.

Trials and tribulations should be bringing out what is already in us in Christ. God is not the author nor does He afflict His children by "allowing things." Nay, in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer because we are in Christ and He is in us.

What the world, the flesh and the devil bring to destroy us - God can and does make good come out of it. That is what we focus on. Him - caught in the act of being Himself!
 
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I actually took you back off of ignore so I could post on your Joseph Prince Bible devotions. I thought it was unfair to post there & have you on ignore at the same time.

Besides, if I didn't post on them, you wouldn't have any posts at all.
;)
Now I have another reason to keep you off ignore. I couldn't have us agreeing on anything, could I?
Thanks for the confirmation, it seemed to me she was throwing out a lot of false teaching by the hireling Joseph Prince
 

joaniemarie

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Wow, the back and forth that is going on amazes me. I think people are confused about suffering, infirmities, persecution and trials. First and foremost no matter what you have been taught, these are not from God, he is not the author of evil or bad. There are two systems operating in this world, Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Darkness. The two Kingdoms collide on a constant basis

If you think God is using the kingdom of darkness to teach you, you are missing the whole point of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Yes, we suffer in this life, but the suffering is never at the hands of God.

I have said this over and over, read Mark 4: 13-20 Jesus specifically states if you do not understand this parable, you will not understand the Kingdom of Heaven and how it operates. In this world, when you take a stand on God's word, Satan comes immediately to steal the Word sown in your heart through persecution and afflictions..I am not denying we face suffering, persecution, and trials in life, I am denying it is God doing this to test you or see where you are at in the Kingdom.

When you take a stand for God, resistance comes. Try telling people today that God has said marriage is between a man and a women, try saying There is only one way to God, its through Jesus, try saying God heals, God is good, America was founded on Christian principles, abortion its wrong, sex outside of marriage is wrong. I promise you will suffer persecution, not only from the World, but also from people you sit in church with everyday. All the disciples, Apostles, Jesus himself suffered for the sake of the Word, but it was not sent from God. There is one exception. God made Jesus the scapegoat for all these things, he made him suffer for mankind one time for all people redeeming us from the curse of the Law. You do realize where ever you read a curse in the law, Jesus bore the punishment for that curse so you did not have to. He does not expect you to do what Jesus did on the cross that is why he used Jesus. Does anyone remember that God knows the end from the beginning? He already knows what you are going to do.

Satan and his Kingdom are who resist you on a daily basis. If you get sick, its not from God, if you get in a car accident, its not from God, if you lose a spouse or young child to sickness, disease, accident or anything that contradicts with Long life I will satisfy you and show you my salvation its not God.

I keep reading well God allows it. Well God allows rape, murder, sickness, disease, war and the list goes on and on. The key is God allows many things, but he is not the author of these things, men are. That is why Jesus said I give YOU the keys to the kingdom, whatsoever YOU bind on earth must be what is bound in heaven, whatsoever things you LOOSE on earth will be loosed in Heaven.

Men refuse to put Gods way of doing things in practice. Do you actually think if we truly loved one another there would be wars on this earth? Of course there would not be, but guess what? There are men out there on a daily basis who are purposely defying God and doing what the selfish dictates of their heart are prompting them to do and it affects us! Just look at ISIS!

We can miss God and cause undo suffering in our lives, but again, its was not by God's design. We can run to God in any situation but it will take time to walk through any situation as we apply the word of God. Peter tells us that God has given us all things that pertains to LIFE AND GODLINESS through the knowledge of him. In other things, you better know your covenant, what Jesus did for you, who you are in Christ and how to apply that covenant to your life. All of us are at different stages in our walk with God so it will vary with each individual.

We can complicate our lives by doing stupid things, like going out side and playing in the snow in shorts then getting sick. Who did this to you? God or your own foolishness?

In the 1980's I had a young son pass away and he is with God in heaven right now and to my relief I will see him again. Did it hurt at the time, yes, did God allow it, Nope the disease that killed him took him. Back then I did not know how to stand against sickness or disease and the devil stole my son from me. However, I am blessed to tell you I have two other great kids, but never once did I even say well God allowed this, ordained this or orchestrated this. Our Father in Heaven is not a thief, especially when we read that death is an enemy.

I think the biggest problem is we do not understand the two kingdoms we walk in on a daily basis.

I will tell you a quick story the i personally experienced as as Associate Pastor. I visited the sick on a regular basis. A couple who went to our church were traveling on Highway 169 going north at the end of their work day. A drunk driver traveling south, lost control of his vehicle, crossed the median, and landed on top of their car destroying it and putting them in the hospital for almost one year. Both of them had dozens of bones broken in their bodies, died numerous times on the operating table, but in the long run they walked out of the hospital, but both are severely crippled but can still drive. Here is the kicker and we butted heads over this and they ended up leaving the church.

They both started a ministry and went around our state telling everyone about how good God was to send a drunk to destroy their car and lives so they could minister the gospel to people. In the middle of their testimony at our church I shut them down and I very calmly said, the goodness of this accident is God preserved your life, but he did not send this on you to be a witness for him. God would have been very content if you had been witnessing for him prior to the accident and he darn sure did not send a drunk to get you to minister for him. Satan tried to take you out is what actually happened. However, they continued to spread their poison that God was the one who did this to them and it infected and discouraged many people who were trying to believe God for healing. It caused them to doubt God, his goodness and worse, they did not stand for healing because they thought they were resisting the will of God. This type of testimony is poison to the body of Christ and the world. It literally says, come serve my God, he will cripple you, destroy your life, use a drunk to teach you life lessons. Isn't he such a loving Father?

I also say this and its an old saying, if God is the one making you sick, why are you resisting God and taking medicine? Just think about it. Yes we suffer failings in our walk, there are some things I have missed thinking I was believing correctly, and did not see the results I was believing for or better said, I thought I was believing for, but never once have I said, God did this to me, he used darkness to teach a child of light.

Just think about it.


Thank you brother trucker62 for your beautiful heart sharing post. You must know by now how much I agree with the content of your words here.
God bless you for sharing in a very needy place.
 

joaniemarie

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Amen. Saying that God sends things to destroy His children is a bunch of religious nonsense. Nor does He allow others to destroy His children. The Father didn't send the devil to destroy people so that He could send Jesus afterward.

That's a "sick god" bred from our own religious church teachings. It's no wonder some people reject how we portray God to them.

Jesus Himself is perfect theology. He is the expressed image of the nature and will of the Father being done. Do we see Jesus "allowing" things to happen to teach His disciples things? Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil.

Look at the life of Jesus while He was on this earth and see how He dealt with things and you will see the true way that our Father operates towards us.

Trials and tribulations should be bringing out what is already in us in Christ. God is not the author nor does He afflict His children by "allowing things." Nay, in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer because we are in Christ and He is in us.

What the world, the flesh and the devil bring to destroy us - God can and does make good come out of it. That is what we focus on. Him - caught in the act of being Himself!

Amen brother Grace777 Very applausable
 
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How do any of those links to a different website prove your accusation against the owner of this website...? This makes no sense...
 

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Something to consider:

Does God allow sickness in a believer or even a non-believer to accomplish his purposes? (John 9:1-3)? And if so did he determine it would happen or was he just reacting to something outside of his control?

We only have assurance because we believe God is in control, and that means He is control of all things! If that is not so God's control is controlled by something else.

It would be good to provide scripture to prove your point whatever position you hold. And not just copying and pasting scripture line that seems to support your case but explanations that can be clearly seen in all of the scriptures. Scripture shines light on scripture
 
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Oh steven! I'm sorry - when you said "this website" you didn't really mean this website we are currently in! I thought you meant the owner of THIS website. Oh gosh, I'm sorry!
 
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But also, Steven, you have to let God work on people at His own pace. He will correct us and align our thinking as we're ready to bear it. For instance, joannie thinks satan did not have to ask permission to sift Job. We know that he did and that God issued a series of: very well, but you must not do such and such, each time. But He will show us as we're ready to bear more. You can't expect some nonexistent "perfection of doctrine" because no one is yet perfect in knowing Gods' mind on everything. Even Paul said: I think I have the mind of God on this...
 
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Something to consider:

Does God allow sickness in a believer or even a non-believer to accomplish his purposes? (John 9:1-3)? And if so did he determine it would happen or was he just reacting to something outside of his control?

We only have assurance because we believe God is in control, and that means He is control of all things! If that is not so God's control is controlled by something else.

It would be good to provide scripture to prove your point whatever position you hold. And not just copying and pasting scripture line that seems to support your case but explanations that can be clearly seen in all of the scriptures. Scripture shines light on scripture

I'm glad you brought John 9 up.

John 9:3-4 is a perfect example of the translators putting punctuation marks in the place that they wanted it in order to show a bias they had when interpreting the scripture. In the original Greek - there were no punctuation marks. Also they put in their own words - "it was" and "that" and again "it was".

John 9:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] "We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.

So, let's read it without what man has added to the text and without the period.

"Jesus answered, neither this man sinned, nor his parents; but so that the works of God might be displayed in him we must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work. "

This changes the meaning of this scripture. The translators thought that the sickness was there so that God could be glorified but in reality Jesus said that "He must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is still day." Jesus then proceeded to heal the man. The works of God are to heal those that are sick and broken-hearted.

Jesus was simply saying that neither this man sinned nor his parents but Jesus must work the works of God while He was there and the work of God was to make this man whole. It is the will of God for all of us to be well. Not all of us will experience this for various reasons but it doesn't not change the heart and will of our loving Father. It is the will of the Father that all men come to repentance and believe the gospel of His Son - but sadly not all do.
 
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Wow, the back and forth that is going on amazes me. I think people are confused about suffering, infirmities, persecution and trials. First and foremost no matter what you have been taught, these are not from God, he is not the author of evil or bad. There are two systems operating in this world, Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Darkness. The two Kingdoms collide on a constant basis

If you think God is using the kingdom of darkness to teach you, you are missing the whole point of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Yes, we suffer in this life, but the suffering is never at the hands of God.

I have said this over and over, read Mark 4: 13-20 Jesus specifically states if you do not understand this parable, you will not understand the Kingdom of Heaven and how it operates. In this world, when you take a stand on God's word, Satan comes immediately to steal the Word sown in your heart through persecution and afflictions..I am not denying we face suffering, persecution, and trials in life, I am denying it is God doing this to test you or see where you are at in the Kingdom.

When you take a stand for God, resistance comes. Try telling people today that God has said marriage is between a man and a women, try saying There is only one way to God, its through Jesus, try saying God heals, God is good, America was founded on Christian principles, abortion its wrong, sex outside of marriage is wrong. I promise you will suffer persecution, not only from the World, but also from people you sit in church with everyday. All the disciples, Apostles, Jesus himself suffered for the sake of the Word, but it was not sent from God. There is one exception. God made Jesus the scapegoat for all these things, he made him suffer for mankind one time for all people redeeming us from the curse of the Law. You do realize where ever you read a curse in the law, Jesus bore the punishment for that curse so you did not have to. He does not expect you to do what Jesus did on the cross that is why he used Jesus. Does anyone remember that God knows the end from the beginning? He already knows what you are going to do.

Satan and his Kingdom are who resist you on a daily basis. If you get sick, its not from God, if you get in a car accident, its not from God, if you lose a spouse or young child to sickness, disease, accident or anything that contradicts with Long life I will satisfy you and show you my salvation its not God.

I keep reading well God allows it. Well God allows rape, murder, sickness, disease, war and the list goes on and on. The key is God allows many things, but he is not the author of these things, men are. That is why Jesus said I give YOU the keys to the kingdom, whatsoever YOU bind on earth must be what is bound in heaven, whatsoever things you LOOSE on earth will be loosed in Heaven.

Men refuse to put Gods way of doing things in practice. Do you actually think if we truly loved one another there would be wars on this earth? Of course there would not be, but guess what? There are men out there on a daily basis who are purposely defying God and doing what the selfish dictates of their heart are prompting them to do and it affects us! Just look at ISIS!

We can miss God and cause undo suffering in our lives, but again, its was not by God's design. We can run to God in any situation but it will take time to walk through any situation as we apply the word of God. Peter tells us that God has given us all things that pertains to LIFE AND GODLINESS through the knowledge of him. In other things, you better know your covenant, what Jesus did for you, who you are in Christ and how to apply that covenant to your life. All of us are at different stages in our walk with God so it will vary with each individual.

We can complicate our lives by doing stupid things, like going out side and playing in the snow in shorts then getting sick. Who did this to you? God or your own foolishness?

In the 1980's I had a young son pass away and he is with God in heaven right now and to my relief I will see him again. Did it hurt at the time, yes, did God allow it, Nope the disease that killed him took him. Back then I did not know how to stand against sickness or disease and the devil stole my son from me. However, I am blessed to tell you I have two other great kids, but never once did I even say well God allowed this, ordained this or orchestrated this. Our Father in Heaven is not a thief, especially when we read that death is an enemy.

I think the biggest problem is we do not understand the two kingdoms we walk in on a daily basis.

I will tell you a quick story the i personally experienced as as Associate Pastor. I visited the sick on a regular basis. A couple who went to our church were traveling on Highway 169 going north at the end of their work day. A drunk driver traveling south, lost control of his vehicle, crossed the median, and landed on top of their car destroying it and putting them in the hospital for almost one year. Both of them had dozens of bones broken in their bodies, died numerous times on the operating table, but in the long run they walked out of the hospital, but both are severely crippled but can still drive. Here is the kicker and we butted heads over this and they ended up leaving the church.

They both started a ministry and went around our state telling everyone about how good God was to send a drunk to destroy their car and lives so they could minister the gospel to people. In the middle of their testimony at our church I shut them down and I very calmly said, the goodness of this accident is God preserved your life, but he did not send this on you to be a witness for him. God would have been very content if you had been witnessing for him prior to the accident and he darn sure did not send a drunk to get you to minister for him. Satan tried to take you out is what actually happened. However, they continued to spread their poison that God was the one who did this to them and it infected and discouraged many people who were trying to believe God for healing. It caused them to doubt God, his goodness and worse, they did not stand for healing because they thought they were resisting the will of God. This type of testimony is poison to the body of Christ and the world. It literally says, come serve my God, he will cripple you, destroy your life, use a drunk to teach you life lessons. Isn't he such a loving Father?

I also say this and its an old saying, if God is the one making you sick, why are you resisting God and taking medicine? Just think about it. Yes we suffer failings in our walk, there are some things I have missed thinking I was believing correctly, and did not see the results I was believing for or better said, I thought I was believing for, but never once have I said, God did this to me, he used darkness to teach a child of light.

Just think about it.
Isaiah 45.7:
The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the Lord who does all these.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How do any of those links to a different website prove your accusation against the owner of this website...? This makes no sense...
Stephen is back to his nonsense. His war..Not really worth it, He seems to be talking to himself now adays.. Maybe one or two may listen to him. Not sure it is even worth it anymore.

The mere fact he ignores people. then continues to respond to them, proves he is not trustworthy, He excuses his sin as much as some other people in here.. Its sad.
 
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But also, Steven, you have to let God work on people at His own pace. He will correct us and align our thinking as we're ready to bear it. For instance, joannie thinks satan did not have to ask permission to sift Job. We know that he did and that God issued a series of: very well, but you must not do such and such, each time. But He will show us as we're ready to bear more. You can't expect some nonexistent "perfection of doctrine" because no one is yet perfect in knowing Gods' mind on everything. Even Paul said: I think I have the mind of God on this...

Amen! We must all not think we know it all.. Always have an open mind..
 
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Amen! We must all not think we know it all.. Always have an open mind..
To think we know everything about God and to be very certain and dogmatic on every point - that is the opposite of humility, for sure. And the way we express our opinions on matters based on what we've read and believe can also clearly display our lack of humility often.
 
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Revelation 5:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Jesus is the King of kings!

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

929. βασιλεύω basileuō verb

Reign, rule, be king, to have authority.

Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Alpha-Gamma.

Here is the exact same Greek word being used by Paul - it is translated as "kings". Go figure.....:) We find good treasures in the word of God when we search for them.


1 Timothy 6:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,

1 Corinthians 4:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] You are already filled, you have already become rich, you have become kings without us; and indeed, I wish that you had become kings so that we also might reign with you.

Someone needs to read the BOOK!

Galations 4:1Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. 3So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. 4But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.
 
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Isaiah 45.7:
The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the Lord who does all these.
I love that verse. Here are some thoughts about it.

This verse is saying that God creates moral order and defines anything that doesn’t conform to that morality as evil. Only in that sense does He create evil. He determines or defines what evil is. This is not saying the Lord originates or promotes evil.


Here is a short 5 minute video that talks about this verse in Isaiah 45:7.

[video=youtube;oHt-0CUbb7c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHt-0CUbb7c[/video]
 

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I love that verse. Here are some thoughts about it.

This verse is saying that God creates moral order and defines anything that doesn’t conform to that morality as evil. Only in that sense does He create evil. He determines or defines what evil is. This is not saying the Lord originates or promotes evil.


Here is a short 5 minute video that talks about this verse in Isaiah 45:7.

[video=youtube;oHt-0CUbb7c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHt-0CUbb7c[/video]


A bunch of sacred cows are getting addressed here Cowboy.
I have to say., you have access to some excellent videos that deal with many of the questions us Christians have wondered about even for years. Thank you again for your consistency in doing this.
 
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A bunch of sacred cows are getting addressed here Cowboy.
I have to say., you have access to some excellent videos that deal with many of the questions us Christians have wondered about even for years. Thank you again for your consistency in doing this.
LOL...Yeehaw!

I believe that what the scripture says about the knowledge of the glory/goodness of the Lord is being manifested.

Habakkuk 2:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "For the earth will be filled With the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.

Ephesians 1:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.


I believe the Lord in these last days are giving to the body of Christ a Daniel type understanding in the knowledge of the goodness/glory of the Lord and sometimes we need to have a "dissolving of doubts" done to help with the renewing of our minds to the true nature of God.

Daniel 5:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I have heard of thee, that thou canst make interpretations, and dissolve doubts: now if thou canst read the writing, and make known to me the interpretation thereof, thou shalt be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about thy neck, and shalt be the third ruler in the kingdom.


 
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I love that verse. Here are some thoughts about it.

This verse is saying that God creates moral order and defines anything that doesn’t conform to that morality as evil. Only in that sense does He create evil. He determines or defines what evil is. This is not saying the Lord originates or promotes evil.


Here is a short 5 minute video that talks about this verse in Isaiah 45:7.

[video=youtube;oHt-0CUbb7c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHt-0CUbb7c[/video]
You do know that in context this verse is talking about King Cyrus, who was a pagan and very evil King that God used to free Israel right!?!?!?.....This verse is telling us that God will use Evil to accomplish his perfect will.....
 
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A bunch of sacred cows are getting addressed here Cowboy.
I have to say., you have access to some excellent videos that deal with many of the questions us Christians have wondered about even for years. Thank you again for your consistency in doing this.
Why do you need a hireling to tell you what the Bible says!?
[h=1]Isaiah 45New American Standard Bible (NASB)[/h] [h=3]God Uses Cyrus[/h]45 Thus says the Lord to Cyrus His anointed,
Whom I have taken by the right hand,
To subdue nations before him
And to loose the loins of kings;
To open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“I will go before you and make the rough places smooth;
I will shatter the doors of bronze and cut through their iron bars.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“I will give you the treasures of darkness
And hidden wealth of secret places,
So that you may know that it is I,
The Lord, the God of Israel, who calls you by your name.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“For the sake of Jacob My servant,
And Israel My chosen one,
I have also called you by your name;
I have given you a title of honor
Though you have not known Me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I am the Lord, and there is no other;
Besides Me there is no God.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
That there is no one besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the Lord who does all these.


This is the word of God and the hireling never even touched this in his own private interpretation of what the Verses are really about...