my last argument for obedience

FreeNChrist · May 8, 2016

The gospel was taught to the Apostle Paul directly by Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:12). But jasonj believes only what he has determined to be the “teachings of Jesus” and denies that the writings of Paul are the "teachings of Jesus”, so, of course, he has no idea what the gospel is. He thinks its the first four books of the NT. Books which didn’t even exist until well after Pauls epistles were written, and which were only written in support of the epistles.

JustWhoIAm · May 8, 2016

Once again.

Obedience (good works) is the natural fruit of faith (grace - genuine love for the Lord).

Galatians 5:22-23 -

But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!

Ok. This lines up with what Christ taught.

Matthew 7:17, 18 -

A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit.

Put a slightly different way - Luke 6:45-

A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart.

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jasonj · May 8, 2016

FlSnookman7 said:

I'm sorry ive never said I can earn anything. I think a lot of you guys are blind to what I'm actually saying. Jesus saved us, Jesus himself in all 4 gospels matt mark luke and John, says you must obey my words. he says if you love me you will obey my commands. over and over JESUS not me, Jesus said that. then after the resurrection His last instruction was " go teach all nations to obey everything I have commanded you" there is no argument to be made against what I'm saying. because what I'm saying, is what Jesus says. if you want to disprove me, or argue, youll have to study the words of Jesus. we all call Him Lord, King, teacher, master, savior,,,,,,,so my point is, lets study HIS words and see what HE says about salvation.

its really pretty plain what I'm actually saying simple summary : Jesus is the Lord, He saved us, paid a terrible price to save us. He taught us how to Live, He said don't just hear my words, do what I'm saying to do. he says a lot about our obligation now that were redeemed. so my message is Jesus is the Lord, youll find His word in 4 gospels. yall can not like me, I like that. but its not right to refuse the one who died and suffered. and that's my message that's so refused here : Go learn Jesus words and see if He says you need to do these things if He says it, its not my fault its Jesus that's offending so many not me

jasonj · May 8, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

Paul was given a ministry to bring people into obedience to Christ. I believe Jesus words in the gospel, I'm not a student of joseph prince or the gog doctrine. Jesus is the gospel, the only one is Jesus, paul knew that very well. why is james not correct in His descriptiuon of faith? why do you all ONLY believe paul? not Jesus or james or john? I'm really gettn concerned for you guys honestly

FreeNChrist · May 8, 2016

jasonj said:

Galatians 1

Paul, an apostle, sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead, and all the brothers and sisters with me,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it but as it was received by revelation from Jesus Christ.

For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being. I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus.

Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.

Then I went to Syria and Cilicia. I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” And they praised God because of me.

Brainfreeze · May 8, 2016

jasonj said:

I'm sorry ive never said I can earn anything. I think a lot of you guys are blind to what I'm actually saying. Jesus saved us, Jesus himself in all 4 gospels matt mark luke and John, says you must obey my words. he says if you love me you will obey my commands. over and over JESUS not me, Jesus said that. then after the resurrection His last instruction was " go teach all nations to obey everything I have commanded you" there is no argument to be made against what I'm saying. because what I'm saying, is what Jesus says. if you want to disprove me, or argue, youll have to study the words of Jesus. we all call Him Lord, King, teacher, master, savior,,,,,,,so my point is, lets study HIS words and see what HE says about salvation.

its really pretty plain what I'm actually saying simple summary : Jesus is the Lord, He saved us, paid a terrible price to save us. He taught us how to Live, He said don't just hear my words, do what I'm saying to do. he says a lot about our obligation now that were redeemed. so my message is Jesus is the Lord, youll find His word in 4 gospels. yall can not like me, I like that. but its not right to refuse the one who died and suffered. and that's my message that's so refused here : Go learn Jesus words and see if He says you need to do these things if He says it, its not my fault its Jesus that's offending so many not me

Let's not take away from the whole word though brother Jason, Paul.. Gives pretty descriptive understanding.. Even though he himself said, some are hard to understand, him and Peter argued, which Peter admitted Paul was right and had better understanding, yay?

hornetguy · May 8, 2016

Brainfreeze said:

John already told us who the antichrist is... 1 John 2

There ya go!

Brainfreeze · May 8, 2016

hornetguy said:

Lol, you forgot the one with there are many anti-christ. just saying it takes levels of understanding... We all just don't get it right off the bat, agreed?

e_v_e · May 8, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

The gospel was taught to the Apostle Paul directly by Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:12). But jasonj believes only what he has determined to be the “teachings of Jesus” and denies that the writings of Paul are the "teachings of Jesus”, so, of course, he has no idea what the gospel is. He thinks its the first four books of the NT. Books which didn’t even exist until well after Pauls epistles were written, and which were only written in support of the epistles.

it's a mess without Paul.

jasonj · May 8, 2016

hornetguy said:

Major difference. What I'm saying is not like their making it out. it has NOTHING to do with my own interpretation. I'm telling them who claim Jesus name, to go learn His words and then see what they think of Grace and if it changes their view. ive repeatedly said id study anything they offered, if they would study the 4 gospel accounts of Jesus. I said we could each pray the other would understand. pray to God in Jesus name. each day just a chapter or 2 a day and we could trhen see if it helped. not one person accepted that. and I have to seriously question a lot of the things ive read from th=at gog doctrine, from the same ones who now are saying different things. my message, my side, my contention is right. why or how can I say that????

bnecause I'm saying go to Jesus word and study it in their own bible for a month prayerfully, even offered to study what they offered me. but naw, instead they are defending the gog doctrine even though it has to make 40 percent or more of Jesus words irrelevant. I cant believe this is a Christian site honestly and Jesus words don't carry the most weight. un thinkable yto me actually. the word is divided properly when The gospel is at the forefront. Jesus is the Lord, His words are eternal. that's His own statement as is obey, obey, obey if you love me, obey...teach all nations to obey everything I have commanded you.

My "view" is the gospel. and that's why I will never budge. I BELIEVE in Jesus no one else. I have many reasons why I know what I know. God has been faithful to me and I will always press forward in the teachings of Jesus Christ. because He that suffered and died for my Life, said to. that's my doctrine. has nothing to do with interpretations. otherwise id be saying don't go to your bible and read for yourself, just hear what I'm saying ect......there is no argument against the words of Jesus. there not my words their His, those in the 4 gospels. do we really think His words don't rule the Kingdom of God eternally??? hes the only appointed and approved King. I just don't get why Christians wont acknowledge it. baffeling to me really. but definitely not close on our views. I hold that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and Life. so if HE says obey my word, I'm gonna take His word for it. never will change my heart on that, I spent too much time in the desert already I prefer the milk and honey of the promise

hornetguy · May 8, 2016

Yes, there are many... and that is the description of what an antichrist is. One who denies that Jesus is the Christ.

Lots of those folks out there.

jasonj · May 8, 2016

e_v_e said:

not really its much simpler with Jesus. He teaches the truth of it all. simplicity is to Just take Jesus word as if He is the Lord. because HE IS.

jasonj · May 8, 2016

hornetguy said:

Have you ever researched the muslim faith? its really set up against Christ. not Just denying Him but set up against Him completely and its the largest religion in the world....just a thought, nothing more.....

JustWhoIAm · May 8, 2016

hornetguy said:

Good point.

FreeNChrist · May 8, 2016

jasonj said:

Is Jesus God?

fredoheaven · May 8, 2016

jasonj said:

Hi JasonJ,

I would put Jesus is our Saviour! While Jesus is a good news to some, to the scribes and pharisees is not "For He came to own and His own received him not" John1:11. The gospel was well defined by Apostle Paul in 1 Cor. 15 by which he preached, and where believers stand and were saved. It refers to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Saying Jesus saves is the message of the gospel.

God bless

Brainfreeze · May 8, 2016

jasonj said:

Major difference. What I'm saying is not like their making it out. it has NOTHING to do with my own interpretation. I'm telling them who claim Jesus name, to go learn His words and then see what they think of Grace and if it changes their view. ive repeatedly said id study anything they offered, if they would study the 4 gospel accounts of Jesus. I said we could each pray the other would understand. pray to God in Jesus name. each day just a chapter or 2 a day and we could trhen see if it helped. not one person accepted that. and I have to seriously question a lot of the things ive read from th=at gog doctrine, from the same ones who now are saying different things. my message, my side, my contention is right. why or how can I say that????

bnecause I'm saying go to Jesus word and study it in their own bible for a month prayerfully, even offered to study what they offered me. but naw, instead they are defending the gog doctrine even though it has to make 40 percent or more of Jesus words irrelevant. I cant believe this is a Christian site honestly and Jesus words don't carry the most weight. un thinkable yto me actually. the word is divided properly when The gospel is at the forefront. Jesus is the Lord, His words are eternal. that's His own statement as is obey, obey, obey if you love me, obey...teach all nations to obey everything I have commanded you.

My "view" is the gospel. and that's why I will never budge. I BELIEVE in Jesus no one else. I have many reasons why I know what I know. God has been faithful to me and I will always press forward in the teachings of Jesus Christ. because He that suffered and died for my Life, said to. that's my doctrine. has nothing to do with interpretations. otherwise id be saying don't go to your bible and read for yourself, just hear what I'm saying ect......there is no argument against the words of Jesus. there not my words their His, those in the 4 gospels. do we really think His words don't rule the Kingdom of God eternally??? hes the only appointed and approved King. I just don't get why Christians wont acknowledge it. baffeling to me really. but definitely not close on our views. I hold that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and Life. so if HE says obey my word, I'm gonna take His word for it. never will change my heart on that, I spent too much time in the desert already I prefer the milk and honey of the promise

Jesus is the only way, but didn't Jesus say to Peter, not 7 but 70x7 .. To always forgive, bless those who curse us. This is a love that man doesn't know Jason. We fall down brother, we aren't going to get it all at 17 and never sin again and die at 90 .. People get tricked, people look for love in the wrong places, we must have sympathy in our hearts, for everyone, this is what Jesus says. If I don't get thrown off course I'd love to go over the gospels but I don't want to take books like Romans and Galatians out, as Eve said, it's a mess without Paul, she's right.

hornetguy · May 8, 2016

jasonj said:

Major difference. What I'm saying is not like their making it out. it has NOTHING to do with my own interpretation. I'm telling them who claim Jesus name, to go learn His words and then see what they think of Grace and if it changes their view. ive repeatedly said id study anything they offered, if they would study the 4 gospel accounts of Jesus. I said we could each pray the other would understand. pray to God in Jesus name. each day just a chapter or 2 a day and we could trhen see if it helped. not one person accepted that. and I have to seriously question a lot of the things ive read from th=at gog doctrine, from the same ones who now are saying different things. my message, my side, my contention is right. why or how can I say that????

bnecause I'm saying go to Jesus word and study it in their own bible for a month prayerfully, even offered to study what they offered me. but naw, instead they are defending the gog doctrine even though it has to make 40 percent or more of Jesus words irrelevant. I cant believe this is a Christian site honestly and Jesus words don't carry the most weight. un thinkable yto me actually. the word is divided properly when The gospel is at the forefront. Jesus is the Lord, His words are eternal. that's His own statement as is obey, obey, obey if you love me, obey...teach all nations to obey everything I have commanded you.

My "view" is the gospel. and that's why I will never budge. I BELIEVE in Jesus no one else. I have many reasons why I know what I know. God has been faithful to me and I will always press forward in the teachings of Jesus Christ. because He that suffered and died for my Life, said to. that's my doctrine. has nothing to do with interpretations. otherwise id be saying don't go to your bible and read for yourself, just hear what I'm saying ect......there is no argument against the words of Jesus. there not my words their His, those in the 4 gospels. do we really think His words don't rule the Kingdom of God eternally??? hes the only appointed and approved King. I just don't get why Christians wont acknowledge it. baffeling to me really. but definitely not close on our views. I hold that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and Life. so if HE says obey my word, I'm gonna take His word for it. never will change my heart on that, I spent too much time in the desert already I prefer the milk and honey of the promise

I am pretty sure I know what you are saying... and I agree with you.

I was answering Grace's post, then telling him that if we go by what is SAID on both sides, there is a lot of agreement.

It seems the disagreement comes in the "why" of things. Jesus tells us to obey Him. Gog folks say that we are to obey, but that it has nothing to do with our justification.

Gog folks say we are saved through grace, and that we will "naturally" obey. non-gog folks say we are saved through grace, but that we are obligated to obey.

Differences in the "why"...

JustWhoIAm · May 8, 2016

hornetguy said:

I am pretty sure I know what you are saying... and I agree with you.

I was answering Grace's post, then telling him that if we go by what is SAID on both sides, there is a lot of agreement.

It seems the disagreement comes in the "why" of things. Jesus tells us to obey Him. Gog folks say that we are to obey, but that it has nothing to do with our justification.

Gog folks say we are saved through grace, and that we will "naturally" obey. non-gog folks say we are saved through grace, but that we are obligated to obey.

Differences in the "why"...

They're the same thing.

jasonj · May 8, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

The gospel was taight to John directly, He walked with Jesus from the start of His ministry. He was one of the three chosen closest disciples, He saw jesus transfigured on the mount, refered to himself as the beloved disciple...was the only disciple NIT martyred by rome. not because they didn't try mind you. Hes also the one who received the revelation of Jesus Christ.so id think Joihns testimony should at the very LEAST carry the weight of Pauls writings. to just onlt go with paul. is a mistake. hes not Jesus no greater than any other apostle. John, james and peter all walked with Jesus, peter walked on water with him, they slept and spoke with him. they knew far more than we do of His words. so id say yeah, james, john and peter would be pretty valid testimonies......its not that we separate paul from them, its that Jesus is first above all and all scripture is profitable. Jesus is the Lord, His words rule scripture. Hes the one who died, so Hes the one whos words have the weight when theres a seeming conflict. non of those apostles including paul would not take jesus words over thiers I am 200 percent confident on that. all their words are pointing to His as salvation, were christiansm Christ is who matters most

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