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Jesus words are the gospel Ben. what concept of paul do I not know? I began with paul aa a young teenager. what you are not accepting is I have already been through the entire Bible back and forth to and fro here and there. I had a knowledge of the "romans road" to salvation at the age of 18. I held to just say I believe, already been there went no where for me until I started taking Jesus words as Jesus words. honestly, it doesn't matter what I say to any of you guys. you wont see or hear me. what do I not uinderstand of the gog ? you want my understanding of Paul ??? and the path to salvation? you want other than Jesus knowledge ? ok ben okay.
this is the plan of salvation from start to finish : God creates man, man is good, innocent of evil. God gives man the earth and everything on it and says " this one tree you must not eat the fruoit of or you will die." a warning to protect mans life. satan twists Gods true word by questioning, and then twisting it just enough to turn His mind against Gods word. Eve takes the serpents word over Gods and eats the poison fruit, adam does the same. Just as God said man dies. the Law comes because man has no idea of Good and evil what is sin? what is right and wrong = law. Gods standards. BUT man has been corrupted in their thinking now, they are in effect, rebels by nature being born of the first sinners, sin is in their blood now, its part of who man is. they cannot keep a holy and good Law. So they corrupt the good law with traditions, and man made rules. the Law is only meant to reveal mans sinfulness and therefore need for a savior. because Gods Law must be upheld by man.....Jesus is made flesh, a man, in order to fulfill Gods Law and His word in the Garden. Jesus didn't eat the fruit, He took the death upon Himself because MAN ate the fruit. we transgressed , he accepted the punishment for our wrong....okay.
so were at the point condensed of course, where Jesus has come and fulfilled the curse of the Law ( death of man) BUT Jesus was innocent, so Justice did this. Death is only a result of sin, Jesus had no sin of His own, so when He went to face death, it had no hold upon Him, He overcame death FOR man, because of mans transgression. He rose having all authority over sin and deaths prior dominion over mankind. ( with me so far?) so the spirit???? the spirit is a new clean free from sin and death spirit, back to the garden in essence, but now with the knowledge that evil can oinly result in death, transgressing Gods word of Life, leaves only death.
the reason the gospel is our new "law" is because Jesus is who He is and has done what He has done. He took our transgression of the law of sin and death, and replaced it woith a law of the living Kingdom of God. Gods same nature as law is evidenced in the Gospel. there is Justice in Christ just as the Law had justice, mercy is what perfected the Law in Christ. He overcame the strict stone unforgiving laws for us to free us from it. but He did not leave us without a law to guide and proitest us that is what the gospel is, our Law. it is very different from the stone law. obedience to Jesus things provided forgiveness, mercy, justice, it is a law of grace in Christs teachings. Grace is not to be taken as a free gift, and then we don't freely give it back to Jesus. there is an exchange in Grace. freely we receive, and we give. freely we are forgiven and freely we forgive, weare merciful as we received Mercy...ect. Justice is perfected in Jesus nottaken away. it is just to forgive, it is not just to be forgiven and then not forgive. operfect Justice is how you treat others according to Gods word, is the manner of your own Judgement. that is the gospels principle and it does indeed apply.
so paul? was the chosen instrument" to bridge the division between jewish nation and the world. He did not bring a different Gospel, but took Jesus gospel to the rest of the world. there is only the one Gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul is a servant of Jesus gospel and in no way would approve of any other Gospel. when He says by faith, gotta uinderstand faith, and you said here scripture goes togwether, so I ask you ben, what of James contention of faith? does it or does it not include action on the part of the person who has faith? or does that now not apply because its not a way to trap me? if you see your own words to me, then How is james idea of faith less than pauls? or would we put james and paul together and not subtract anything, but take it as together? meaning, faith withoiut action is dead????? your words ben?
and honestly I will never evvvver budge from Jesus words, that's where pauls words will lead anyone who has faith, doirectly to the true gospel. the gog is only a misunderstanding of paul. and it negates so much of what Jesus said. paul makes perfect sense when you learn the gospel. I trust in the words Of Jesus I do not follow paul he didn't die, he wasn't made Lord, He is a fellow worker, a brother. Jesus is the Lord. the gospel is just the gospel. why do you think ": the gospel according to Matthew, the gospel according to mark, the gospel according to Luke, the gospel according to John. what do you not see about wehat the true gospel is ? there are four accounts in Gods word of the gospel. there is no other gospel found anywhjere in Gods word. without Jesus His word in the GOSPELs there is no salvation, no gospel on earth to be found. I knew paul at 18 can quote you most of His letters. not boasting just letting you know, I been through paul, understand him well. understand how the gog is made by man I get it bud. been there and its a direct line to the gospel and its power. pauls main thing was to reveal the atonements power in the believer he had others, but His writings especially romans is about the death and new life through the atonement.
Faith is james plus paul. its not just thinking something is true, its acting like you do. and there is no way ill ever NOT take Jesus words, He is the light in the word, makes the rest of it clear...........I don't need or care about anyones approval, I have the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is approved By God. I got one teacher and Hes correct
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Satans lie.
God does not LOVE YOU, God wants to rule over you and make you do his will. he does not care for you at all.
Gods answer.
God takes the form of a man, Fulfills the law. and gives his life for the world (no greater love has anyone than he die for the one he loved)
Satans lie debunked, The rebellion crushed. Man is saved.
If Jesus was not God. Satan's lie still stands. He made someone else suffer for man,, and could not determine to do it himself.
God does not LOVE YOU, God wants to rule over you and make you do his will. he does not care for you at all.
Gods answer.
God takes the form of a man, Fulfills the law. and gives his life for the world (no greater love has anyone than he die for the one he loved)
Satans lie debunked, The rebellion crushed. Man is saved.
If Jesus was not God. Satan's lie still stands. He made someone else suffer for man,, and could not determine to do it himself.
Romans 3:20-28
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
T
Not sure why your words sparked this remembrance ... but I always smile when I think of Jesus being snuck into hell and death like a type of Trojan horse ... 
But maybe Hell and Death were surprised
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Actually, I think it was no surprise to the devil ... and that is why there WAS resistance to Christ's crucifixion ...
But maybe Hell and Death were surprised
But maybe Hell and Death were surprised
I think if Satan knew he would have done everything to stop the crucifiction.
The fact he entered judas and helped caused the crucifiction, would make me think he was as clueless as the dsciples were as to the meaning of the messiahs first advent.
I think when Satan heard Jesus quote the 52 psalm. The party that was going in where he was turned to dead silence. As they realised, they did the very thing God wanted them to do.
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Remember, Jesus death put the nail in Satan's coffin. If satan stopped jesus from saving mankind, God would have to set satan free.
If Satan knew, he would have done everything he could to stop it.. He bought right into Gods hands.
I see Jesus telling peter he is no better than satan, Not accusing Peter of trying to stop him.
If your not for me, your against me, as the saying goes.
It is the reason the cross had to be a mystery, To keep it from satan..
If Satan knew, he would have done everything he could to stop it.. He bought right into Gods hands.
I see Jesus telling peter he is no better than satan, Not accusing Peter of trying to stop him.
If your not for me, your against me, as the saying goes.
It is the reason the cross had to be a mystery, To keep it from satan..
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I think Satan DID do everything in his power to stop it ... but God is stronger, bigger, better ... SOVERIEGN. So the devil, try as he did failed - of course.
Satan entered Judas, and had judas turn Christ in to be crucified/
In order for satan to stop it. He would have judas do anything but turn jesus in.
Also. Why would God need to keep the two comings of jesus a secret and make it appear as if there would only be one event?
this makes no sense unless he was trying to keep it from someone.
Please know I am just discussing this with you. Not trying to argue sis
T
How can you see this.
Satan entered Judas, and had judas turn Christ in to be crucified/
In order for satan to stop it. He would have judas do anything but turn jesus in.
Also. Why would God need to keep the two comings of jesus a secret and make it appear as if there would only be one event?
this makes no sense unless he was trying to keep it from someone.
Please know I am just discussing this with you. Not trying to argue sis
Satan entered Judas, and had judas turn Christ in to be crucified/
In order for satan to stop it. He would have judas do anything but turn jesus in.
Also. Why would God need to keep the two comings of jesus a secret and make it appear as if there would only be one event?
this makes no sense unless he was trying to keep it from someone.
Please know I am just discussing this with you. Not trying to argue sis
J
john 3:16 " for God so loved the world, that He sent His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON that whosever believes in Him shall not perish but have ever lasting Life."
Jesus is Gods son matthew 16:16-17. Gad 2 times says " this is my son with whom I am well pleased" his baptism, and transfiguration. Jesus Himself claimed to Be Gods son. HE IS THE SON OF GOD.
what is a greater sacrifice to a loving parent? sacrifice myself, or my son? the greater sacrifice is to offer your child. That's how much He Loves us. immeasurably and unthinkably that He would offer His son. God is spirit, the word makes that Plain. Jesus was the son of God, made flesh to be everything for us. Jesus is and was the son of God. being the son of God, He is equal to God, is OF God, just as a child is of a parent, they are part of the parent. that's how He "is" God. but if we believe Jesus and the Fathers testimony. we see Gods son, and that is the proper coinfession of the church. matthew 16:16-17. this verses are the fathers approval, the sons blessing and the believers confession that He is the SON OF THE LIVING GOD. 3 confirmations in 2 verses Fathers revelation He is My son, Jesus blessing of the confession you are the Christ, the son of the Living God."
soi really that's Just the truth, Hes Gods son. testified to by the believer, the son, and the father. clear and perfect scripture