my last argument for obedience

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hornetguy

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A few months ago there was a guy on CC named Jason0047 who spewed the same self righteousness page after page after sickening page until he was banned. I'm wondering if the dead have resurrected.

Oh... I must have forgotten about him. Thanks for the reminder. I don't think this could be the same guy. So far, he's been pretty calm about his stance on things.. I think he's gotten ruffled a couple of times, but, who doesn't, right?

I think that other Jason was a pretty obvious troll, wasn't he, IIRC?

Jasonj doesn't seem that way at all.... even if he's wrong (not saying that he is, mind you...) but even if he IS wrong, he's being very humble about it... insisting on people reading the gospels themselves, and coming to their own conclusions, NOT believing what HE says...

That's anything but troll-like, in my opinion.
 
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john 3:16 " for God so loved the world, that He sent His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON that whosever believes in Him shall not perish but have ever lasting Life."

Jesus is Gods son matthew 16:16-17. Gad 2 times says " this is my son with whom I am well pleased" his baptism, and transfiguration. Jesus Himself claimed to Be Gods son. HE IS THE SON OF GOD.

what is a greater sacrifice to a loving parent? sacrifice myself, or my son? the greater sacrifice is to offer your child. That's how much He Loves us. immeasurably and unthinkably that He would offer His son. God is spirit, the word makes that Plain. Jesus was the son of God, made flesh to be everything for us. Jesus is and was the son of God. being the son of God, He is equal to God, is OF God, just as a child is of a parent, they are part of the parent. that's how He "is" God. but if we believe Jesus and the Fathers testimony. we see Gods son, and that is the proper coinfession of the church. matthew 16:16-17. this verses are the fathers approval, the sons blessing and the believers confession that He is the SON OF THE LIVING GOD. 3 confirmations in 2 verses Fathers revelation He is My son, Jesus blessing of the confession you are the Christ, the son of the Living God."

soi really that's Just the truth, Hes Gods son. testified to by the believer, the son, and the father. clear and perfect scripture
To say that Jesus is the Son of God is to say that He is God. Not that you can understand that. Christians believe that Jesus is God. This is not a debatable or negotiable point.
 
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jasonj

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Again HeRoseFromTheDead you lie.You have said many a time that without being Baptized one cannot receive Salvation.

Every time i turn around i find you denying what you have said when its to your advantage to lie.
can I ask you a question without feeling like I'm attacking or starting yet another argument? if Jesus says its right to be baptized and hes the Lord....where does the thought do I need to come from? if Jesus said it is to fulfill all righteousness that even He was baptized our perfect example. what line of thinking then questions what He said? is that the spirit of Him who would even go into that thought? or would the spirit just accept that God said its right to be baptized? Just inquiring on why we need to figure out the minimal way to be saved?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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john 3:16 " for God so loved the world, that He sent His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON that whosever believes in Him shall not perish but have ever lasting Life."

Jesus is Gods son matthew 16:16-17. Gad 2 times says " this is my son with whom I am well pleased" his baptism, and transfiguration. Jesus Himself claimed to Be Gods son. HE IS THE SON OF GOD.
Gods son would be,, God right?

Is a human son not human?


what is a greater sacrifice to a loving parent? sacrifice myself, or my son? the greater sacrifice is to offer your child. That's how much He Loves us. immeasurably and unthinkably that He would offer His son. God is spirit, the word makes that Plain. Jesus was the son of God, made flesh to be everything for us. Jesus is and was the son of God. being the son of God, He is equal to God, is OF God, just as a child is of a parent, they are part of the parent. that's how He "is" God. but if we believe Jesus and the Fathers testimony. we see Gods son, and that is the proper coinfession of the church. matthew 16:16-17. this verses are the fathers approval, the sons blessing and the believers confession that He is the SON OF THE LIVING GOD. 3 confirmations in 2 verses Fathers revelation He is My son, Jesus blessing of the confession you are the Christ, the son of the Living God."

soi really that's Just the truth, Hes Gods son. testified to by the believer, the son, and the father. clear and perfect scripture

Before abraham was, Jesus always existed.

Those are the words of Jesus, do youi believe him?

Jesus was more than just some human created being and called the son of God. He was THE SON OF GOD.


Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be calledWonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Thomas understood who Jesus was, why cant you?


John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Why did Jesus not correct him?
 

hornetguy

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I find the subject difficult to reconcile ... when Peter said NO LORD you will never be crucified! Jesus said "Satan behind me!" thereby accusing the devil of trying to stop it from happening ...
OR.... :) He was responding to the temptation to go along with Peter and say, "yes you're right, I should not go through with this" in the same way He responded to Satan at the top of the temple... "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" (paraphrased a little)

perhaps?
 
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To say that Jesus is the Son of God is to say that He is God. Not that you can understand that. Christians believe that Jesus is God. This is not a debatable or negotiable point.

actuially like I said, he is OF God, opart of God, just like a child. but again how do you ignore the scripture its really clear how the Father, and son approve of Jesus the son of God?

how do you say that's incorrect did you eveb read the scriptures? ill explain. jesus aske peter " who do you say I am? peter responds " You are the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus replies " blessed are you simon son of Jonah, for THIS was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in Heaven."...he goes on to say on this rock I will build my church.


so your anger and insistence upon what I don't understand, please take time to consider the clarity of these scriptures realizing were asking is Jesus God? and we are answered by peter, Jesus and the Father here. 3 in perfect agreement. it is said it is a blessing to know He is the Christ, the son of God, and it says that is revealed By God, not man. so really honestly, check the scriptures yourself and consider, what it says for yourself, rather than sticking to a doctrine someone said that disagrees with Jesus, and God the Father. He is equal to God being Gods son. I have repeatedly said that. but Jesus denied that He was equal " having been made in Gods image, he considered equality to God something beyond Grasp" Jesus does not consider Himself God, nor should a believer. He claims oneness with God, not that He is saying I'm God, His assertion is that He is Gods son, he approves that confession here, sorry but again ill trust the Gospes words over anyones thoughts
 

Magenta

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Love to Jason00047 in Jesus' name.
I don't believe he was a troll at all.
 
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jasonj

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Gods son would be,, God right?

Is a human son not human?




Before abraham was, Jesus always existed.

Those are the words of Jesus, do youi believe him?

Jesus was more than just some human created being and called the son of God. He was THE SON OF GOD.


Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be calledWonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Thomas understood who Jesus was, why cant you?


John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Why did Jesus not correct him?

ull neede to go back and see the several times ive answered this same question. ive quoted the same things over the past few days......its hard to keep up with the comments, and this argument is exhausting about the son and Father. ive answered extensively, and again listen carefully : I AM NO ONES AUTHORITY, EVERY PERSON IS FREE TO BELIEVE AS THEY WISH. I was asked probably 10 times is jesus God? I gave nice answers, I gave extensive He is befaore all in all and through all, I made the point Gods son is not the same as a human child, God is immeasurable, so is His son. ive quoted john ch1 ect. but I come to rest peacefully with matthew 16:16-17 on whether Jesus is Gods Son, or God the Father. I'm good and have no guilt to renmain right there, because its Goids testimony, Jesus approval and peters confession all in perfect agreement. again thou cant stress enough here I'm no ones authority, bit will never deviate from The gospel. that's me myself, I'm there and no one will ever pull me from where I am. I'm not looking to say Jesus is God, hes my Lord, the son of the Living God, that's where I rest on this issue. no more to say.
 
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fat fingers... bad proofreading.... I meant, what significance "do" they have...

(don't make me have to googly it...):D
That's to match your fat head.
OKAY! THAT WAS A JOKE THIS TIME, Honestly!!! Lol. Please. Lol, okay?
LOOK, I'm trying really hard with you, in spite of you having insulted my Dad before, in spite of some of your superior stand over some of us who are simply trying put forth the pure gospel of God's grace without works, and help ppl be set free from the yoke of religious bondage.

I'm real upset about what's gone on here the last few weeks, watching brothers and sisters of mine be called lawless, baptism denyers, accused of telling others not to be baptised, lies ad nauseum! and then to have weeks of posts and prayers, heartfelt prayers, just get wiped out like it never happened, only to have the same
false-teachings and slander start up all over again by the same handful of un-believers???

It's pretty maddening, and you keep choosing sides, but I think it's going against what you know inside to be true.

I'm trying hard because some solid, born-again believers in Jesus here are spurring me on to do so, and I know they're True christians, some I love like my own flesh and blood brothers and sisters, and they ARE my family in Christ, and there's no explaining that except The Risen Lord is REAL...our God and Savior...there isn't any other explanation why I would feel the way I do about some men and women I've never even met, but I know that I know it's true...

And so I trust their judgement, even while knowing we're all fallible ppl, myself as much as anybody, and when Utah mentioned about praying for you, I got convicted, because even though I did before, I didn't recently, and I need to do that, and will as soon as I finish this post.

I will resume praying for this whole website as well, asking the Lord to help me remember His higher calling in the midst of battle, and it's a person's salvation and Jesus' glory that matters most. (Thank you, Utah, I'm fighting back the emotions as I write this, and I'm not ashamed to admit it, thank you, brother.)

You are so off the mark with this statement it goes beyond comprehension. It would do you well to listen to brothers like B1 who are offering you the Word of God. But sadly, you are so blind to your own self righteousness that it will indeed take nothing short of the Holy Spirit to open your heart, mind and eyes. You are prayed for, believe me.
Thank you for the kick to do the right thing. When it's from a true believer with the proper motive to encourage, not condemn, like from you, it's a real blessing, don't ever hesitate! \:D/

Yes ... I understand exactly how you feel ... the trinity and it's compexities are so far above us! One minute I feel I have a firm grasp ... then poof it's gone-lol

I simply hang onto my faith that God is true.
Yes...the finite mind trying to wrap itself around the Infinite God,
(and see? I'm in agreement with hornerguy)
I thought I would go insane one night, and had feared I blasphemed
the Holy Spirit in my prideful insistence to figure it all out in my head.

It was a bad night, I don't recommend it, it was like a really bad trip,
and I thought my head was going to explode.

I still can't believe, (but I do) God's long-suffering towards me and the things He's allowed me to do, say and even think, especially regarding Him, in times of frustration or anger or pride.

But His love never fails and never gives up, and I'm so thankful that 'losing my salvation' is not a biblical teaching or I'd have lost mine long ago. My salvation is dependent on Jesus and not my own performance, good or bad, and I'm so glad that He did for me what I could never do for myself.

So, He has to be God, or my and our salvation would be shaky ground, and not the Solid Rock of Ages that magenta so wonderfully brought forth and many have shown here as well.

The Deity of Jesus Christ is of utmost importance, and can be clearly shown in scripture, as well as the 'Divinity of the Trinity', even though we struggle to understand.
God has revealed enough of Himself to believe in Him with soundness and reason, He's given us His Word, Thank you, Jesus, and He has so much more to come. Again, Thank you, Jesus.

God bless you.Time to pray.
 
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jasonj

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OR.... :) He was responding to the temptation to go along with Peter and say, "yes you're right, I should not go through with this" in the same way He responded to Satan at the top of the temple... "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" (paraphrased a little)

perhaps?
or maybe because Jesus had Just said it, and peter was doubting the truth of His word.....doubt is from satan, just a thought tho to consider
 
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Here is your answer jasonj.

Ephesians 2:8,9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Look at the Thief on the Cross. He accepted Jesus as his lord and Savior while on the Cross. Jesus did say the Thief would be with Him after he died. Nowhere in these verses do we see Jesus demanding the Thief be Baptized.

Look at Ephesians 2:8,9 No where in this verse does the Holy Spirit say we must be Baptized to receive Salvation. Now does this mean we are not to be Baptized? No. God wants us to be Baptized but He knew in advance Salvation would be based on Faith and not on anything else.

I'm very sure that most if not all those on this chat site have been Baptized. So the argument for water Baptism is a moot point.

God wants us to accept Him by Faith.

God wants us to live in Him by Faith.

God wants us to follow Him by Faith.

God did say Abraham was Justified by Faith.

Its all about Faith and Grace from God.


 

hornetguy

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That's to match your fat head.
OKAY! THAT WAS A JOKE THIS TIME, Honestly!!! Lol. Please. Lol, okay?
LOOK, I'm trying really hard with you, in spite of you having insulted my Dad before, in spite of some of your superior stand over some of us who are simply trying put forth the pure gospel of God's grace without works, and help ppl be set free from the yoke of religious bondage.

I'm real upset about what's gone on here the last few weeks, watching brothers and sisters of mine be called lawless, baptism denyers, accused of telling others not to be baptised, lies ad nauseum! and then to have weeks of posts and prayers, heartfelt prayers, just get wiped out like it never happened, only to have the same
false-teachings and slander start up all over again by the same handful of un-believers???

It's pretty maddening, and you keep choosing sides, but I think it's going against what you know inside to be true.

I'm trying hard because some solid, born-again believers in Jesus here are spurring me on to do so, and I know they're True christians, some I love like my own flesh and blood brothers and sisters, and they ARE my family in Christ, and there's no explaining that except The Risen Lord is REAL...our God and Savior...there isn't any other explanation why I would feel the way I do about some men and women I've never even met, but I know that I know it's true...

And so I trust their judgement, even while knowing we're all fallible ppl, myself as much as anybody, and when Utah mentioned about praying for you, I got convicted, because even though I did before, I didn't recently, and I need to do that, and will as soon as I finish this post.

I will resume praying for this whole website as well, asking the Lord to help me remember His higher calling in the midst of battle, and it's a person's salvation and Jesus' glory that matters most. (Thank you, Utah, I'm fighting back the emotions as I write this, and I'm not ashamed to admit it, thank you, brother.)

Thank you for the kick to do the right thing. When it's from a true believer with the proper motive to encourage, not condemn, like from you, it's a real blessing, don't ever hesitate! \:D/


Yes...the finite mind trying to wrap itself around the Infinite God,
(and see? I'm in agreement with hornerguy)
I thought I would go insane one night, and had feared I blasphemed
the Holy Spirit in my prideful insistence to figure it all out in my head.

It was a bad night, I don't recommend it, it was like a really bad trip,
and I thought my head was going to explode.

I still can't believe, (but I do) God's long-suffering towards me and the things He's allowed me to do, say and even think, especially regarding Him, in times of frustration or anger or pride.

But His love never fails and never gives up, and I'm so thankful that 'losing my salvation' is not a biblical teaching or I'd have lost mine long ago. My salvation is dependent on Jesus and not my own performance, good or bad, and I'm so glad that He did for me what I could never do for myself.

So, He has to be God, or my and our salvation would be shaky ground, and not the Solid Rock of Ages that magenta so wonderfully brought forth and many have shown here as well.

The Deity of Jesus Christ is of utmost importance, and can be clearly shown in scripture, as well as the 'Divinity of the Trinity', even though we struggle to understand.
God has revealed enough of Himself to believe in Him with soundness and reason, He's given us His Word, Thank you, Jesus, and He has so much more to come. Again, Thank you, Jesus.

God bless you.Time to pray.
I'm sorry if you thought I was insulting your dad. That was not my intent. I was actually insulting you (wrong on my part... should have been more understanding/forgiving) because you appeared to have never learned the lesson I'm sure your dad taught you about being respectful.

Oh, and by the way, I have nothing but respect and gratitude for your dad and his service...

YOU are the one I've had difficulty with, because you are always on the "attack" mode.

I understand your frustrations, and have seen some name-calling on both sides. Name-calling doesn't help.
But, neither do "attack-mode" responses to people you disagree with. You have to keep in mind that they are usually just as passionate about their belief and understanding as you are about yours.

Honestly, I've got nothing against you, and your beliefs, even though I may not agree with all of them... it's the way you try to deliver the message that grates on me.. and I'm working on that.

And I certainly don't feel superior to anyone on here... I don't know why you would say I have a superior attitude? No matter..

Please don't let other brothers/sisters "spur you on" to respond in a mean or hateful manner.... if they suggest you do that, then they are leading you in the wrong direction...

I'm trying to follow what was said...

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your hope as a believer, always be ready to explain it. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But do this in a gentle and respectful way.[SUP][[/SUP]
 
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jasonj

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Here is your answer jasonj.

Ephesians 2:8,9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Look at the Thief on the Cross. He accepted Jesus as his lord and Savior while on the Cross. Jesus did say the Thief would be with Him after he died. Nowhere in these verses do we see Jesus demanding the Thief be Baptized.

Look at Ephesians 2:8,9 No where in this verse does the Holy Spirit say we must be Baptized to receive Salvation. Now does this mean we are not to be Baptized? No. God wants us to be Baptized but He knew in advance Salvation would be based on Faith and not on anything else.

I'm very sure that most if not all those on this chat site have been Baptized. So the argument for water Baptism is a moot point.

God wants us to accept Him by Faith.

God wants us to live in Him by Faith.

God wants us to follow Him by Faith.

God did say Abraham was Justified by Faith.

Its all about Faith and Grace from God.



sure it is, what is faith and what is Grace? its not only unwarranted favor we receive, its also what we Give to Jesus. Grace is not understood by all. nor is faith Look ate paul plus james and see the definition of Faith. to show faith in Jesus Christ is to follow Jesus Christ. it is not only a belief inside, it is a belief that is the root of ACTION. james "you see it was when His actions were working together with His faith.............Faith without works is dead" james 2:14 -26. I have never disputed faith and Grace. I'm saying faith is not an inward belief only, genuine faith ois to follow what He says to do. I keep getting told how I don't get anything. but the thing is, why does paul have all authority and His words are final? does James have any claim to the gospel? is He not the brother of the Lord? was He not skinned alive by the romans for His faith? did He not walk with Jesus and learn much more than us? it is all by faith and Grace that we are saved.

I understand though about faith. I do not hold that paul is the entire world of God as the gog doctrine teaches. I believe to understand paul, gotta understasnd genuine faith. and cant really negate James, and Jesus, peter n them just because paul doesn't explain what Faith is. I think he assumed people knew faith. James tells what faith is, belief + action because you do really believe. so please read the scriptures in James and reconcile faith. I don't need to deny paul, or James and definitely not Jesus. paul says saved by faith and Grace.......James tells us of genuine faith. the things I say do not negate paul, there is a rejection of any scripture that makes action a part of Faith. James has good clear word, cant just negate the other scripture. we are as paul says saved by Faith, but faith is NOT without action on our part. the enemy changed the word faith through the doctrine that were not responsible, we just have to think its true and that's faith, its not though, that kind of faith as james says, wont save us. if Abraham had not obeyerd God, would he still have been considered righteous? or did His action validate His faith? that is my point that's been twisted. were saved for a purpose and it is not easy, it takes effort and submission on our part, our motivation is Jesus view of Grace from suffering and shame. Grace is true, it is not free of obligastion
 

Magenta

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John 632
Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared,I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

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47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died.50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

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62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”
 
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I'm sorry if you thought I was insulting your dad. That was not my intent. I was actually insulting you (wrong on my part... should have been more understanding/forgiving) because you appeared to have never learned the lesson I'm sure your dad taught you about being respectful.

Oh, and by the way, I have nothing but respect and gratitude for your dad and his service...

YOU are the one I've had difficulty with, because you are always on the "attack" mode.

I understand your frustrations, and have seen some name-calling on both sides. Name-calling doesn't help.
But, neither do "attack-mode" responses to people you disagree with. You have to keep in mind that they are usually just as passionate about their belief and understanding as you are about yours.

Honestly, I've got nothing against you, and your beliefs, even though I may not agree with all of them... it's the way you try to deliver the message that grates on me.. and I'm working on that.

And I certainly don't feel superior to anyone on here... I don't know why you would say I have a superior attitude? No matter..

Please don't let other brothers/sisters "spur you on" to respond in a mean or hateful manner.... if they suggest you do that, then they are leading you in the wrong direction...

I'm trying to follow what was said...
you area good example and sopmeone I can learn from hornet, I love the self control you exercise mostly, would like to have discussion some time with you, some things I'm struggling a bit with, if you have time I would appreciate it. God bless
 
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Again HeRoseFromTheDead you lie.You have said many a time that without being Baptized one cannot receive Salvation.

Every time i turn around i find you denying what you have said when its to your advantage to lie.
And again, you're a liar. Repent. Prove it or shut up
 
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ull neede to go back and see the several times ive answered this same question. ive quoted the same things over the past few days......its hard to keep up with the comments, and this argument is exhausting about the son and Father. ive answered extensively, and again listen carefully : I AM NO ONES AUTHORITY, EVERY PERSON IS FREE TO BELIEVE AS THEY WISH. I was asked probably 10 times is jesus God? I gave nice answers, I gave extensive He is befaore all in all and through all, I made the point Gods son is not the same as a human child, God is immeasurable, so is His son. ive quoted john ch1 ect. but I come to rest peacefully with matthew 16:16-17 on whether Jesus is Gods Son, or God the Father. I'm good and have no guilt to renmain right there, because its Goids testimony, Jesus approval and peters confession all in perfect agreement. again thou cant stress enough here I'm no ones authority, bit will never deviate from The gospel. that's me myself, I'm there and no one will ever pull me from where I am. I'm not looking to say Jesus is God, hes my Lord, the son of the Living God, that's where I rest on this issue. no more to say.

I hope no one is calling Jesus the father. He is not the father,

Yet he is God, just as the Holy Spirit is.

I have not been here for a few weeks. So do not want to judge, just trying to see what your saying..
 

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you area good example and sopmeone I can learn from hornet, I love the self control you exercise mostly, would like to have discussion some time with you, some things I'm struggling a bit with, if you have time I would appreciate it. God bless
sure... anytime. Don't know if I can give any insight, but I can listen and we can hopefully sort through things with the Spirit's help... I'm flattered you'd ask...
 
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And again, you're a liar. Repent. Prove it or shut up
I had actually written a post to KenAllen asking but I never posted it, I thought, let me ask where these things are because to be quite honest with you I spent maybe a good 4 hours total today and yesterday combined looking for these things (because I like to study what goes on) and I have collected like 24 of them (in their contexts) where you are adressing the topic directly (or them) to provide what comes in with a snipe these but so far these havent come in.

I was going to take the time to ask for a few but since I had been asking for my own quotes for quite awhile none were ever provided and then I thought, why you going to ask? Its been a waste of time so far.

Quotes would be nice though.

I actually found a funny "it" one for you, because you were being come down on over using the word "it" (as the KJV does in a couple of places) concerning the Holy Spirit and one of those against you doing that is doing that on another thread (which I sort of laughed it). I caught that by accident, but thats funny sometimes when you catch it.

I havent found these yet though, and I do have a couple of threads on my fav left to go through and I have the time to look (Lord willing) so still looking for these things.