my sin isn't as bad as your's

[carey]

I will be the first to admit I'm not perfect, I have many flaws, I smoke (I know ugly habit!) And I occasionally use curse word's. But my question is are my outward sins really worse than another's inward sins? I have seen such judgment and condemnation towards a persons weakness to smoking and drinking, even smoking weed (the last is a controversial subject I won't get into) but those same people that point fingers are gossipers, they talk behind people's back, making fun of them, while lifting themselves on a pedastal, assuming a humility they really don't have, if we turned their sins on the outside I wonder what would happen. I left the church a while ago because I couldn't stand the lack of compassion and patience for those weak in the faith, that honestly loved God, so many people have turned back to their old lives because so called Christians tore them down, instead of building them up, they were laughed at when they expressed the call of God, humiliated, it's so sad to me that we sit in judgment of new Christians because they don't fit our mold.

 

[Ariel82]

Turning back to your sin because someone didn't support you means that you aren't root in God but in outward appearances. It is wrong that those people did that: make fun of them, not support and build up. However, the person should have continue to seek godly people and not been turned away by people who just claimed to be godly.

Only God can tell what is in your heart and reveal your sin. You then choose to repent or to justify yourself and continue in iniquity.

there will always be hypocrites but one can't justify doing wrong because you see the crowd doing wrong.

the whole "my sin isn't bad as yours" has two things wrong.

1. that sin is measured on a scale of little sin to really really bad sin.

sorry sin is like poop, if you get a little on you, you will stink until you are washed clean.

2. you can or should compare yourself with others.

we are to look inwardly and examine the planks in our eyes and deal with out own sins. the only time we address another's sin is if we truly love them as ourselves and our examination is an extension of our love so that they might repent and turn back to God. We don't condemn others. if we point out another's sin we should also have an answer of HOW they can overcome it in their life.

 

[JaumeJ]

How many hours I have meditated and prayed on this theme for others who seem to want way made for them so as not to be sullied by the nearness of a sinner. It is written that if a person breaks even the most minute of laws he is guilty of breaking all of the law. This, in part, is to demonstrate the futility of salvation through any other means than the Blood of the Lamb of God. However the law is filled with treasure of wisdom and advice on good conduct. Advice? No! It is a guide to good conduct.

Once we have yeilded to the awesome sacrifice and suffering of our Lord on the Cross for our individual salvation we have been freed from the curse of the law, death, but never will laws, rules, commandments and statutes be abolished when they deal with good, moral behavior. Think about it! Believe God, do not believe me. Obey God, for obedience to Him is more than sacrifice, although we may offer Him the sacrifice of thanksgiving. Oh how wretched are we who stiffen our necks to obedience and overlook being thankful for all that is. Praise God, praise our Awesome Father for He is good; His mercy is everlasting, amen.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

I will be the first to admit I'm not perfect, I have many flaws, I smoke (I know ugly habit!) And I occasionally use curse word's. But my question is are my outward sins really worse than another's inward sins? I have seen such judgment and condemnation towards a persons weakness to smoking and drinking, even smoking weed (the last is a controversial subject I won't get into) but those same people that point fingers are gossipers, they talk behind people's back, making fun of them, while lifting themselves on a pedastal, assuming a humility they really don't have, if we turned their sins on the outside I wonder what would happen. I left the church a while ago because I couldn't stand the lack of compassion and patience for those weak in the faith, that honestly loved God, so many people have turned back to their old lives because so called Christians tore them down, instead of building them up, they were laughed at when they expressed the call of God, humiliated, it's so sad to me that we sit in judgment of new Christians because they don't fit our mold.

Your addictions are a NORMAL part of what constitutes Christianity today, where you get saved in your sins and addictions, and stopping any of them is just an option, but I am here to warn you this is a false message you are under, and it seems many have many excuses why they can disobey God and still be saved!

Here is the great delima! No Repentance, NO holiness, NO seperation, etc,,, the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God, and the few who bring the truth too you are hated and labeled as unloving, hateful, and legalistic, but it seems you love your flesh more than God!

You have many excuses why you cuss, smoke, drink, etc,, but never stand for righteous living before God as commanded, you need to repent and do your first works, come out of your bondages, and I know it will be difficult for you, many years of long praticed habits are hard to break, but you must stop your sinning and rebellion against God!

Stop makeing excuses why you can sin against God and still be saved, this is from the devil, and not of God, He is waiting patiently for you to do this first:

Jas 1:21 Therefore putting aside all filthiness and overflowing of evil, receive in meekness the implanted Word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.


Your heart is still defiled and carnal if you think you are saved, and you are still IN addiction, and cussing, and still like to get buzzed on occasion, etc,,, God is waiting for you to crucify your flesh with His son Jesus through repentance, and a working faith in love!

I know all this sounds harsh to the unconverted soul, and they will get very angry at what I post here, but you must wake up and face reality, stop playing games with God, repent on the scale of Nineveh and seek His mercy, your eternal desteny hangs in the balalce!

Have you escaped?
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
How does one become a partaker in the divine nature of God? Does it come from some magical transfer? Or is it something much more that requires the broken repentant heart to do.
We know that the exceedingly great and precious promises of God are not to be taken lightly, as they encompass the whole existence of the true convert, who has come into the kingdom through real repentance towards God, followed by a real obedient faith towards Jesus Christ. Acts 20-21.
Now all this comes together when you understand what it means when Peter said, “Having Escaped” which means it already happened, it’s not an ongoing dilemma, that occurs somewhere down the road when God decides to equip the struggling sinner with some mysterious power to escape.
Either you have escaped the corruption that is in the world through its lust, or you are still in bondage, unable to be partakers of His divine nature, and dead to His great promises that come only to the obedient and righteous heart.
For those who profess Christ, and claim they are still addicted to their flesh, such as fornication, drunkenness, drug abuse, immorality, outbursts of anger, and adultery, etc.they are not true saints of God as they think they are.
But many have come into the fictitious kingdom that gladly accepted them still in bondage to sin and worldliness, because some charismatic Bible pundit told them they were born depraved, and now Jesus in their remedy. They do nothing, especially having to escape the corrupt world, and the lust of it as commanded, thus they remain carnal sold under sin, and a prisoner of their very own conceived notions that sears their conscience and hardens their heart as they sin with impunity against God, becoming numb to any and all conviction, leaving them in a very dangerous state leading to condemnation unless they wake up and repent on the scale of Nineveh!
Rom 6:21 What fruit did you have then in those things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
It’s simple good fruit (obedience, holiness, purity, humility) leads to eternal life IF you continue in these God given virtues, but bad fruit (willful sin, rebellion, complacency, addictions) leads to death!
Have you escaped? Or are you still in bondage to your flesh, producing bad fruit unto death!
Tommy

Holiness is not legalism, its being seperate unto God, obeying His commands, walking in the spirit, and not the flesh, putting to death the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life!

God gave you free will and ability to choose whom you will serve, Him or your flesh!

 

[Tommy4Christ]

Is it unloving for a true follower of Christ to give you the bitter truth, or sugar coat it, telling you all is well, God loves you and has a great plan for you?
If you are truly saved, its not about sinning less and less, or cussing less, smoking and drinking less, etc,, NO its stopping your vile sins, seeking His mercy, then His strength and power will give you all you need to walk a holy and seperated life, you die with Christ in repentance, once and for all, and now walk the truly freed life, dead to sin and alive to God, Read Romans CH 6!

 

[carey]

I never made excuses for my sin, No one is perfect!!! Do you lie? Covet? Lusted? If you say no, your a liar
sin is sin and we will continue to sin until all is perfected according to God's word.
I did say I have flaws!
This thread is about church leaders who crush the spirit of new believers

 

[carey]

Exactly my point!
what about your inside sins? Can you honestly say you are blameless? What of pride and haughtiness?
Like I said people in the church see outward sin as greater than their own inward sin

Is it unloving for a true follower of Christ to give you the bitter truth, or sugar coat it, telling you all is well, God loves you and has a great plan for you?
If you are truly saved, its not about sinning less and less, or cussing less, smoking and drinking less, etc,, NO its stopping your vile sins, seeking His mercy, then His strength and power will give you all you need to walk a holy and seperated life, you die with Christ in repentance, once and for all, and now walk the truly freed life, dead to sin and alive to God, Read Romans CH 6!

 

[JaumeJ]

You will never receive flack in return from anyone with Christ in the heart. Our perfection will come on that Day, that would be Christ's Day. It is a promise. You may be surprised, shocked even, to find out that I am not perfect. Yes, it is true, but I will be, and so will all the members of the Body of Christ here in this age. Now, we must not conduct ourselves as though we are presently reigning, for the Kingdom is not yet here, and the crowns have not yet been awarded. I am praying anyone who has that nasty nicotine habit will put that tobaco on the altar and burn it up converting it into a sweet savor to God...........that would please Him, freewill offerings do.

I never made excuses for my sin, No one is perfect!!! Do you lie? Covet? Lusted? If you say no, your a liar
sin is sin and we will continue to sin until all is perfected according to God's word.
I did say I have flaws!
This thread is about church leaders who crush the spirit of new believers

 

[my_adonai_]

I will be the first to admit I'm not perfect, I have many flaws, I smoke (I know ugly habit!) And I occasionally use curse word's. But my question is are my outward sins really worse than another's inward sins? I have seen such judgment and condemnation towards a persons weakness to smoking and drinking, even smoking weed (the last is a controversial subject I won't get into) but those same people that point fingers are gossipers, they talk behind people's back, making fun of them, while lifting themselves on a pedastal, assuming a humility they really don't have, if we turned their sins on the outside I wonder what would happen. I left the church a while ago because I couldn't stand the lack of compassion and patience for those weak in the faith, that honestly loved God, so many people have turned back to their old lives because so called Christians tore them down, instead of building them up, they were laughed at when they expressed the call of God, humiliated, it's so sad to me that we sit in judgment of new Christians because they don't fit our mold.

the word REPENT i believe you understand what it means, but i just add a little. it means TO TURN, Turn from SIN, the bible clearly states that those who walk after the FLESH will be condemned and those who love EVIL more than GOD will be CONDEMNED unless THEY TURN. IF you sin and expect to sin again or have a mindset that I WILL SIN again, i believe your repentance will be void, because EVENTUALLY you will sin as because YOU BELIEVE that YOU WILL SIN.

a person that repents believes that HE WILL NOT SIN ANYMORE, especially the SIN that HE/SHE IS AWARE off. the book of JOHN clearly states that HE that sins does not know GOD, how is this? HE DOES NOT SEE GOD in HIS CIRCUMSTANCES or HE DOES NOT SEE the FINISHED WORK THAT JESUS DID ON THE CROSS but rather SEES that HE IS INCAPABLE of BEING HOLY, even with THE HOLY SPIRIT inside HIM/HER.

This mindset should FIRST be removed, and a SECOND mindset put in, that WE ARE SAINTS OF THE LIVING GOD, and we should OUR BEST NOT TO SIN, and not GIVE IN to SIN, because the GOOD LORD hath EQUIPPED us with ALL THE RIGHT POWER, WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE and ESPECIALLY the HOLYSPIRIT To overcome the FLESH and the WORLD.

i would say that yes THERE are THOSE WEAK in THE LORD, and thus SHOULD BE TAUGHT THIS, but from a personal view, the only thing that KEPT ME FROM BEING HOLY WERE MY CHOICES. and if we allign our CHOICES to that of GOD, we will NOT SIN. i tell you IT IS POSSIBLE TO LIVE EVEN A SINGLE DAY WITHOUT SINNING.

 

[carey]

I have been open and honest about my sins, so what of you, what of your sins? Or do you claim to be perfect?

 

[Domenic]

I will be the first to admit I'm not perfect, I have many flaws, I smoke (I know ugly habit!) And I occasionally use curse word's. But my question is are my outward sins really worse than another's inward sins? I have seen such judgment and condemnation towards a persons weakness to smoking and drinking, even smoking weed (the last is a controversial subject I won't get into) but those same people that point fingers are gossipers, they talk behind people's back, making fun of them, while lifting themselves on a pedastal, assuming a humility they really don't have, if we turned their sins on the outside I wonder what would happen. I left the church a while ago because I couldn't stand the lack of compassion and patience for those weak in the faith, that honestly loved God, so many people have turned back to their old lives because so called Christians tore them down, instead of building them up, they were laughed at when they expressed the call of God, humiliated, it's so sad to me that we sit in judgment of new Christians because they don't fit our mold.

Jesus said, “We could not be good even if we wanted to.” If you believe in Jesus, when he comes back, we all will have 1,000 years under his rule to become as God created man. It is only those who reject Jesus as Gods son who are in trouble. The difference between good people, and bad…the bad reject Jesus help.

 

[my_adonai_]

I have been open and honest about my sins, so what of you, what of your sins? Or do you claim to be perfect?

one question, are you a saint or a sinner?

 

[Professor]

When I was saved not that long ago, I immediately transformed, and no longer engaged in some of my most obvious sins. But the Holy Spirit has been working on me overtime! Just about every day a new sin is pointed out to me (gossip, slander, jealousy, etc.) and I cry because I have pained God so much. But each day I start anew and the Holy Spirit continues to work on me. I am "getting better" (if that makes sense). I believe that if you really want to break your sinful habits that the Holy Spirit will work on you, nudging (or urging) you to change! This is my experience. All things are possible through God. He loves us that much.

 

[HoldingOn2013]

No one is perfect..

None but one and that was Jesus. We all sin and if anyone sits in judgement of others they should read the bible more because it clearly states that we are not GOD and should not pass judgement on each other. Not to mention being hypocrites....

Jesus had every right to do and say what he did. We follow his example, but we are not him and some need to remember that. He did say... love one another.

[h=3]James 4:10-12[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.
[h=3]Do Not Judge a Brother[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. [SUP]12 [/SUP]There is one Lawgiver,[SUP][a][/SUP] who is able to save and to destroy. Who[SUP][b][/SUP] are you to judge another?[SUP][c]

[h=3]Luke 6:42[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]42 [/SUP]Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

[h=3]John 13:33-35[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]33 [/SUP]Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come,’ so now I say to you. [SUP]34 [/SUP]A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. [SUP]35 [/SUP]By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”



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[carey]

one question, are you a saint or a sinner?

Both actually
I am a saint because I am saved by the blood of Jesus
I am a sinner because I am still in this world, a sinner saved by grace

What about you?

 

[JaumeJ]

You love Jesus Christ for Who He is! You love Him because He loved you first, and that perfectly. He does not subject His followers to inquisition, so my advice, and that and a dollar will not get you a cup of coffee at Starbuck's, is not to fall into the trap of inquisitors who do not know the compasion of mercy and love quite yet. I pray they someday come to this wonderful knowledge. Also, I pray I follow my own advice to you in the future.

Both actually
I am a saint because I am saved by the blood of Jesus
I am a sinner because I am still in this world, a sinner saved by grace

What about you?

 

[carey]

So true my friend!
I sometimes can't help myself!

 

[my_adonai_]

Both actually
I am a saint because I am saved by the blood of Jesus
I am a sinner because I am still in this world, a sinner saved by grace

What about you?

am a saint.

let me ask you, do give me verses in the word of God where those who have chosen to follow Christ, are called Sinners....

 

[SparkleEyes]

If you find a church in which there are people who crush the hearts of a any believer, new or not, find a new church.

 

[Abbe]

Where does it say in Gods word that 1 sin you get 5 pts. taken away, a nother sin you get 10, pts. taken away, but another just 1.? Sin, is Sin to God, you can be forgiven of it if you go to God and Repent. You say that you can't help your self, then Go to God and tell him all about it, ask him to hold on to you because you can't seem to hold on to him.He knows what your thinking, what you can and can't do, he just needs you to ask. I think sometimes we try and make things too hard, when Gods trying to tell us that it's so simple.