Not By Works

Magenta · Jan 11, 2018

Yes, thank you for the correction, with apologies to John.

Oh, haha now I know what you mean, there was a mix up with the envelop

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stonesoffire · Jan 11, 2018

Magenta said:

It wasn't Chester? This is funny!

Magenta · Jan 11, 2018

stonesoffire said:

I could make Chester a plaque if he likes

Would you like one too? LOL

We can all be "also-ran's"

dcontroversal · Jan 11, 2018

Shamah said:

Sorry but faith without works is dead.

James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

Hebrews 11 is the ultimate faith and works passage:

Hebrews 11, By belief they performed an action;

11:1, "And belief is the substance of what is expected, the proof of what is not seen.

11:2, "For by this the elders obtained witness.

11:3, "By belief, we understand that the ages were prepared by the word of YHWH, so that what is seen was not made of what is visible."

11:4, "By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater sacrifice offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.

11:5, "By belief, Ḥanoḵ was translated so as not to see death, “and was not found because Yah had translated him.” (Gen 5:24) For before his translation he obtained witness, that he pleased Yah.

11:6, "But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.

11:7, "By belief, Noaḥ, having been warned of what was yet unseen, having feared, prepared an ark to save his house, through which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to belief.

11:8, "By belief, Aḇraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he was about to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.11:9, "By belief, he sojourned in the land of promise as a stranger, dwelling in tents with Yitsḥaq and Ya‛aqoḇ, the heirs with him of the same promise,"11:10, "for he was looking for the city having foundations, whose builder and maker is Yah.

11:11, "By belief also, Sarah herself was enabled to conceive seed, and she bore a child when she was past the normal age, because she deemed Him trustworthy who had promised.

11:17, "By belief, Aḇraham, when he was tried, offered up Yitsḥaq, and he who had received the promises offered up his only brought-forth son,

11:20, "By belief, Yitsḥaq blessed Ya‛aqoḇ and Ěsaw concerning that which was to come.

11:21, "By belief, Ya‛aqoḇ, when he was dying, blessed each of the sons of Yosĕph, and did reverence on the top of his staff.

11:22, "By belief, Yosĕph, when he was dying, made mention of the outgoing of the children of Yisra’ĕl, and gave orders concerning his bones.

11:23, "By belief, Mosheh, having been born, was hidden three months by his parents, because they saw he was a comely child, and were not afraid of the sovereign’s command. (Exo 2:2)

11:24, "By belief, Mosheh, having become great, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Pharaoh,"11:25, "choosing rather to be afflicted with the people of Yah than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a time,"11:26, "deeming the reproach of Messiah greater riches than the treasures in Mitsrayim, for he was looking to the reward.

11:27, "By belief, he left Mitsrayim, not fearing the wrath of the sovereign, for he was steadfast, as seeing Him who is invisible.

11:28, "By belief, he performed the Pĕsaḥ and the sprinkling of blood, lest he who destroyed the first-born should touch them.

11:29, "By belief, they passed through the Red Sea as by dry land, and when the Mitsrites tried it, they were drowned.

11:30, "By belief, the walls of Yeriḥo fell, having been surrounded for seven days.

11:31, "By belief, Raḥaḇ the whore did not perish with those who did not believe, having received the spies with peace.

11:33, "who through belief, overcame reigns, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,"11:34, "quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became mighty in battle, put foreign armies to flight."11:35, "Women received back their dead by resurrection. And others were tortured, not accepting release, to obtain a better resurrection."11:36, "And others had trial of mockings and floggings and more, of chains and imprisonment."11:37, "They were stoned, they were tried, they were sawn in two, they were slain with the sword. They went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being in need, afflicted, mistreated,”

11:34, "quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became mighty in battle, put foreign armies to flight.

11:35, "Women received back their dead by resurrection. And others were tortured, not accepting release, to obtain a better resurrection.

11:36, "And others had trial of mockings and floggings and more, of chains and imprisonment.

11:37, "They were stoned, they were tried, they were sawn in two, they were slain with the sword. They went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being in need, afflicted, mistreated,

11:38, "of whom the world was not worthy – wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes of the earth.

11:39, "And having obtained witness through the belief, all these did not receive the promise,

(11:13, "In belief all these died, not having received the promises, but seeing them from a distance, welcomed and embraced them, and confessed that they were aliens and strangers on the earth.)

11:40, "YHWH having provided what is better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us."

Sorry but faith alone is what saves
Sorry works do not save , keep saved or top off salvation
Sorry but to blend to the two for salvation = false gospel and no power to save
Sorry you're not Hebrew and using it for names does not make you more righteous

Chester · Jan 11, 2018

joefizz said:

I missed 50000 and now my works are lacking and I am losing faith . . . and since I am not a Calvinist . . . I am losing hope . . .

I didn't say all that did I!?

Chester · Jan 11, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Sorry, but there is no Scripture that says we are saved by faith alone

dcontroversal · Jan 11, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Exactly.....he pushes the same garbage the Pharisees pushed and a psuedo blend gospel has no power....nor does he obey and keep the law....

stonesoffire · Jan 11, 2018

Chester said:

how about the blood Chester? I know Dcon means faith in the blood of Jesus.

stonesoffire · Jan 11, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Oh, sorry. Didn't know you were online.

stonesoffire · Jan 11, 2018

Chester said:

So, am not a Calvinist either. What ist are you?

dcontroversal · Jan 11, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

His point....a psuedo blend law abiding , working his way blend of faith and works....a claim to fame that has no power....God saves thise who believe...not those who trust works or law that they do not keep.....

mailmandan · Jan 11, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Amen brother! We are not fooled by his "grace plus law, faith plus works" gospel, which is nothing but Hebrew roots "smoke and mirrors."

stonesoffire · Jan 11, 2018

Magenta said:

Nope, this is not my work. Is Dcon s baby. I'm into tongues. Lol

NoNameMcgee · Jan 11, 2018

Chester said:

Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

of course its not alone...

its faith in Christ by grace

if Jesus wasnt the propitiation for ALL who believe on His name...

what would faith be all by itself?

what would we even have faith in?

dcontroversal · Jan 11, 2018

mailmandan said:

Like most Pharisees of old.......no ability to see the truth as long as he thinks he keeps the law or that his works help embellish the work of Christ......

PennEd · Jan 11, 2018

Magenta said:

Chester was 49999.

The last of the Old Testament "Not by Works". We then had 0.00003 seconds of silence from the Prophets, til John, NOT THE BAPTIST, 146 spoke to the people, telling them to repent! The Kingdom is at Hand! To Begin the New Testament "Not by Works"

Yeah... I'm in a mood...

dcontroversal · Jan 11, 2018

preacher4truth said:

Faith is given and dealt in measure

hah

mailmandan · Jan 11, 2018

Chester said:

The Bible clearly states in many passages of scripture that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8 etc..).

You don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" NO. So then it's faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE.

Magenta · Jan 11, 2018

mailmandan said:

I think some misunderstanding comes in by what follows after we come to faith. Scripture makes plain we are saved to do good works which were prepared for us beforehand, but that affirms our salvation is by faith, also. In having faith in the shed righteous blood of Christ on the cross, that He fulfilled the requirements under the law to be the sufficient and acceptable propitiation for our sins (and those of the whole world) in the sight of God the Father, we then follow after Him, loving Him for Who He is, and what He has done for us, as we grow in knowledge and Truth, entering into a life long process of ongoing sanctification following justification

eternally-gratefull · Jan 11, 2018

Chester said:

For it is by grace we have been SAVED THROUGH FAITH, and not of ourselves. It is the GIFT OF GOD, not of works lest anyone should boast.

A gift is freely given, not earned, A wage is earned.

last time I looked, Faith minus works equals faiht alone

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