Not By Works
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I wouldnt bother. Unless you can take it with you. 
Well I sympathize completely but there's nothing I can do
I am just a humble servant with a message here for you
Well I know you have good reasons and there's things you've got to do
But the boatman won't be waiting and he's leaving here with you
And you can't take it with you
No matter what you do
No you can't take it with you
Not the place you're going to
(One more mile, one more road, one last bridge, one less load)
Well I sympathize completely but there's nothing I can do
I am just obeying orders, I'm a simple soul like you
Well you really are persuasive, but I've heard it all before
And the boatman's getting restless as he stands upon the shore
And you can't take it with you
No matter what you do
No you can't take it with you
Not the place you're going to
Can't take it with you
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The statement of paul is a fact also.’
They do not contradict. They compliment.
Paul said we are saved by grace, through the means of faith, not works, and those who are saved, because they are new creatures, will work (eph 2: 8-10)
James, speaking to hearers of the word, not doers, people who CLAIMED to have faith, but had zero zip nada works. Can his faith save him? Well lookin at what Paul said, No. Because if they had true faith, they would have been saved, and done works.
Remember, James said a person who has faith yet has NO WORKS. 1 work would fulfill james requirement of a person who had living faith, and not just a claimed faith (belief only)
At no time in history of mankind was anyone saved by works. Period. To say they have been, is to totally take the message of the Bible and destroy it.
Paul wrote to the church, the body of Christ and would not be applicable to those outside the body. James' doctrine is not applicable to me. I do not need my soul saved.
The rich are condemned in James epistle. That's not church doctrine. Paul told the rich to be ready to distribute and be a blessing to others.
Is this doctrine for the body of Christ today? Really?
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Also...
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. aka tribulation
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
Why Elias? Because he will be there in the trib preaching the coming of the King proving himself through miracles.
Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The rich are condemned in James epistle. That's not church doctrine. Paul told the rich to be ready to distribute and be a blessing to others.
Is this doctrine for the body of Christ today? Really?
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Also...
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. aka tribulation
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
Why Elias? Because he will be there in the trib preaching the coming of the King proving himself through miracles.
Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Wouldn't the end of our life be the "END". When it says the "Judge" Stands at the door, doesn't that mean we should be ready to meet our Maker because death comes as a thief in the night? We don't know the day of His Coming, just like we don't know the day of our death. Is there really a difference between the two?
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Yet paul told people how to be saved. And warned people all the time who were trying to be saved by works, to repent and stop depending on works, and showing that maybe they believed in vein and need to retest their faith. Funny how we in our churches teach paul all the time, and through it give th gospel to non believers who just happen to be sitting in our pews.
I am sorry, I can not continue this conversation. Believe however you want.
I am sorry, I can not continue this conversation. Believe however you want.
Is this not adding works to salvation? Good works does not prove one is saved, and if so, how many works? How often? A lot of lost people have more good works than some saved people.
Should we go onto good works? Absolutely! But if one is not properly discipled, they may fall back into the ways of the world. The JSOC will be the time for the believer's works.
Should we go onto good works? Absolutely! But if one is not properly discipled, they may fall back into the ways of the world. The JSOC will be the time for the believer's works.
It seems that the claims of some knowing the Word are vain & empty.
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39“But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40“If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41“Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42“Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39“But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40“If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41“Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42“Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
Actually there is
Ephesians 2:4-10
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
And as a result?
We then walk in the good works prepared for us before we came to faith.
Evidence of true faith.
Although I would caution others not to judge the level of works required to prove salvation.
Jesus will do that.
Ephesians 2:4-10
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
And as a result?
We then walk in the good works prepared for us before we came to faith.
Evidence of true faith.
Although I would caution others not to judge the level of works required to prove salvation.
Jesus will do that.
The only text that talks about "faith only" denies that it is by faith only:
James 2:24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Now I am in complete agreement that James is not saying it is faith plus works, but he does say it is not "faith only".
Paul in Ephesians 2 says we are saved "by grace through faith": so we can surely add grace into the equation of what brings salvation.
I am just arguing that to say "salvation is by faith alone" is at the best inadequate and incomplete; and we might even say that it is Biblically incorrect. I would rather hear someone say simply that we are saved by faith than to say that we are saved by faith alone.
My quibble is with the word alone, not with the faith.
James 2:24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Now I am in complete agreement that James is not saying it is faith plus works, but he does say it is not "faith only".
Paul in Ephesians 2 says we are saved "by grace through faith": so we can surely add grace into the equation of what brings salvation.
I am just arguing that to say "salvation is by faith alone" is at the best inadequate and incomplete; and we might even say that it is Biblically incorrect. I would rather hear someone say simply that we are saved by faith than to say that we are saved by faith alone.
My quibble is with the word alone, not with the faith.
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