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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
The two births. Flesh versus Spirit.
John 3:3-6: "Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
John 3:3-6: "Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
Acts 5:32, "“And we are His witnesses to these matters, and so also is the Set-apart Spirit whom Yah has given to those who obey Him.”
1 John 3:24, "And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”
John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."
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John 3:3-6, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: Truly, truly, I say to you: Unless a man is reborn from above, he cannot see the Kingdom of YHWH. Nicodemus said to Him; How can a man be reborn when he is old? Can he enter the womb of his mother the second time, and be born? Yahshua answered: Truly, truly, I say to you: Unless a man is begotten of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of YHWH. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; but that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit."
1 Peter 1:3-9, “Blessed be the Strength and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again to a living expectation through the resurrection of יהושע Messiah from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in the heavens for you, who are protected by the power of Yah through belief, for a deliverance ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, whom having not seen, you love; in whom you exult with unspeakable and esteemed joy, yet not seeing, but believing, obtaining the goal of your belief: a deliverance of lives.”
1 John 3:24, "And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”
John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."
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John 3:3-6, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: Truly, truly, I say to you: Unless a man is reborn from above, he cannot see the Kingdom of YHWH. Nicodemus said to Him; How can a man be reborn when he is old? Can he enter the womb of his mother the second time, and be born? Yahshua answered: Truly, truly, I say to you: Unless a man is begotten of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of YHWH. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; but that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit."
1 Peter 1:3-9, “Blessed be the Strength and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again to a living expectation through the resurrection of יהושע Messiah from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in the heavens for you, who are protected by the power of Yah through belief, for a deliverance ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, whom having not seen, you love; in whom you exult with unspeakable and esteemed joy, yet not seeing, but believing, obtaining the goal of your belief: a deliverance of lives.”
My simple observation here is how this is interpreted.
When Jesus says, learn, listen, put into action, do, these are actions we are meant
to follow as believers in Him and as our Lord.
Lord means one who one respects, listens to, loves, would die for, who one is a servant to.
Now the obvious truth is if one does not listen to, understand or follow His instructions
He is not ones Lord.
Now anger rises for lots of reasons. I am not saying morally where people are when they
get angry, just observing this is a common response, even over obvious issues of following
Jesus. And a sign of not coping is the ignore feature.
Now if people want to say I am chastising them by making this observation, shows how little
they know what the words mean, and the observation I am making.
Ofcourse spiritual divides do exist, and many people believe different groups are full of the
Holy Spirit when clearly they are not.
One member talked about Mormons laying hands on them for healing, as if the Lord is going
to listen to Mormons? So the spiritual realities of the individuals here vary wildly, and the
statements are said without due care or understanding of the spiritual consequences.
But then the blind are in darkness, and lost, so all they know is hurt but not where it is
coming from, and issues in their heart, which they dare not look at.
So dear brothers and sisters in Christ, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.
Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus our Lord, Amen.
When Jesus says, learn, listen, put into action, do, these are actions we are meant
to follow as believers in Him and as our Lord.
Lord means one who one respects, listens to, loves, would die for, who one is a servant to.
Now the obvious truth is if one does not listen to, understand or follow His instructions
He is not ones Lord.
Now anger rises for lots of reasons. I am not saying morally where people are when they
get angry, just observing this is a common response, even over obvious issues of following
Jesus. And a sign of not coping is the ignore feature.
Now if people want to say I am chastising them by making this observation, shows how little
they know what the words mean, and the observation I am making.
Ofcourse spiritual divides do exist, and many people believe different groups are full of the
Holy Spirit when clearly they are not.
One member talked about Mormons laying hands on them for healing, as if the Lord is going
to listen to Mormons? So the spiritual realities of the individuals here vary wildly, and the
statements are said without due care or understanding of the spiritual consequences.
But then the blind are in darkness, and lost, so all they know is hurt but not where it is
coming from, and issues in their heart, which they dare not look at.
So dear brothers and sisters in Christ, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.
Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus our Lord, Amen.
What is brainwashing?
It is a condition where an obvious statement of facts, what is going on, what is being
said and done, is changed in such a way that comes to conclusions that simply do not follow.
So if Jesus says, do this, learn, listen, ask, and someone says God only asks us to rest
and let Him work, clearly they are not reading the words, and have invented another
meaning to what Jesus is saying. This is classical brain washing.
Or if Paul says put to death the passions of the world and live to God, this is an active
choice of the will, takes effort and perseverance. But then again someone says again
Paul does not call us to action, they are brainwashed.
If scripture says this promise of reward is true if one has something to the end, or without
faltering, or losing hope, or persevering to the end, someone says a flash in the pan is what
they are meaning, that is brain washing.
Now brain washing works when the emotional load of seeing the truth is greater than staying
in their brain washed view. That is how it works.
It is a condition where an obvious statement of facts, what is going on, what is being
said and done, is changed in such a way that comes to conclusions that simply do not follow.
So if Jesus says, do this, learn, listen, ask, and someone says God only asks us to rest
and let Him work, clearly they are not reading the words, and have invented another
meaning to what Jesus is saying. This is classical brain washing.
Or if Paul says put to death the passions of the world and live to God, this is an active
choice of the will, takes effort and perseverance. But then again someone says again
Paul does not call us to action, they are brainwashed.
If scripture says this promise of reward is true if one has something to the end, or without
faltering, or losing hope, or persevering to the end, someone says a flash in the pan is what
they are meaning, that is brain washing.
Now brain washing works when the emotional load of seeing the truth is greater than staying
in their brain washed view. That is how it works.
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What scares me is the jews thought the work of circumcision is essential for salvation. Paul had to come down hard on them. Calling them fools for trying to begin in the spirit, but perfect it in the flesh (by works) even telling them if they are going to add one aspect. They better add them all.
As for the thought many decide not to get baptised. I have been to many churches. Known many children of God. And I have never heard such a thing. In fact when I see new believers they usually can not wait to get baptised. For the few who really want to, but are afraid due to fear of public speaking. Even they eventually get baptised. So if people are not getting baptised. I would wonder deep and hard why. And wonder deep and hard why they are not following the HS. And i think you get the picture.
What’s worries me is if people are trusting in the work of baptism (A sign for a believer) which I believe is nothing more than modern day circumcision, (A sign for a jew) Then the warning of paul stands. If circumcision was so sinful when added to the gospel. That paul said anyone teaching it should be anathema’d, what makes adding the work of baptism any less dangerous?
Your covered by baptism, I am covered by the blood of the cross. I hope and pray you see the difference.
As for the thought many decide not to get baptised. I have been to many churches. Known many children of God. And I have never heard such a thing. In fact when I see new believers they usually can not wait to get baptised. For the few who really want to, but are afraid due to fear of public speaking. Even they eventually get baptised. So if people are not getting baptised. I would wonder deep and hard why. And wonder deep and hard why they are not following the HS. And i think you get the picture.
What’s worries me is if people are trusting in the work of baptism (A sign for a believer) which I believe is nothing more than modern day circumcision, (A sign for a jew) Then the warning of paul stands. If circumcision was so sinful when added to the gospel. That paul said anyone teaching it should be anathema’d, what makes adding the work of baptism any less dangerous?
Your covered by baptism, I am covered by the blood of the cross. I hope and pray you see the difference.
E
I would not be so bold to add works to the gospel of grace, Jesus mentioned many works and commands that he demanded his followers obey. Not just one. You should stop focusing on one and start focusing on serving others, And stop trying to promote o0ne work as superior to the others. The jews made the same mistake with circumcision. We see where it got them. Take the warning they recieved.
Do you realize that you have a critical spirit in you...People who have this spirit tend to make very good points , but fail to stand up to them themselves...Here is a good suggestion for you , give your critical spirit that is inside of you to Jesus , and Jesus will cover you with His Spirit , it will take time , but O so worth it...You criticize people in here , comparing us to children of the devil with your finger pointing , i have sat back and observed you doing this by coating it all in honey , but underneath the stench is like rottenness...
You come across as if you are so self righteous while pointing your finger at others , we are told to build and edify each other up , not tear down those who are brothers and sisters in Christ...You accuse us that we do not listen to our LORD Jesus Christ our Savior , would it make you feel even better if we ALL listened to you...
You come across as if you are so self righteous while pointing your finger at others , we are told to build and edify each other up , not tear down those who are brothers and sisters in Christ...You accuse us that we do not listen to our LORD Jesus Christ our Savior , would it make you feel even better if we ALL listened to you...
