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NoNameMcgee

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I have to leave Noname.
The son was NEVER DEAD.
He left his home...the father knew he wasn't dead.
The father gave him his inheritance.
Do you know how much was his inheritance?
2/3 and the younger son got 1/3.
There was no funeral because the son wasn't dead.
Also, the father NEVER disowned him.
This story reflects what Jesus was teaching about our Father in heaven...God.
Please read it again keeping this in mind.

I used to teach the Prodigal Son. I know I'm right.
Check some commentaries....do something!

lol.... no one implied the father threw a funeral

and his father freely gave to him knowing he wasn't dead


this was a story to show Gods love to a people who do not understand it... a beautiful story

this can be compared to the shepard going go find his one lost sheep....

this is not a story of throwing away salvation and having it renewed as your false understanding would suggest


but it certainly reflects our Father in heaven and our relationship



(i know you're wrong by the way😮)
 
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The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.


These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)


...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13


...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2


How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?


..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.


...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...
Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.

The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?
Seoche....nobody listens to the same drivel you posted before.....!
 
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Which mouthy remark?
I'm never mouthy....
I accept your apology.
:)

I'm trying to understand about James. I learn quick. It can't be this difficult....

James 2:14-26 Let's do this.

14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.



18But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”
19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
22You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; 23and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS,” and he was called the friend of God.
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


Verse 14 James is asking if faith ALONE can save

verse 15, 16 It's no use to tell a neighbor you're just sorry for them,,,you have to DO something for them

verse 17 The person in 15, 16 had faith but no works. It was DEAD because it was standing alone with no works.

verse 18 You have faith and I have works
James wants someone to show him their FAITH WITHOUT WORKS
and James will show them HIS faith BY HIS WORKS.


IOW, FAITH PRODUCES WORKS.
No works.
No faith.


verse 19 even the demons believe and shudder -

verse 20 James is saying that someone that does not understand that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is foolish!

verse 21 Abraham was justified by works...the offering of Isaac

verse 22 Faith was working WITH works, as a RESULT OF THE WORKS, faith was PERFECTED.
(because faith without works is dead).


verse 23 Believing in God is reckoned to us as righteousness....Trusting God,,,doing what He says.

verse 24 A man is justified by works and NOT by faith alone.

(because faith by itself is alone and not worth anything...not to a needy neighbor as in verses 15,16, and not to God).


Conclusion: Faith without works is useless, and this is what James was teaching...
The same as Paul, and Jesus.


Now, it's your turn.
Exegete.
Nice try but no cigar Fran....the statement about the devils believing and SHOW ME your faith cannot be ignored as yoi do to twist James into something it is not.....MERE belief in God contrasted against saving faith....James is not peddling a works/faith blend of salvation......
 
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Please don't say you just said this!
I might have to log off after this!
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JESUS DID NOT SAY THAT!!!
Really. WHO said it?

Was it not a parable of Jesus?
Didn't He know what He wanted to transmit?

Second of all, parable were parables...they were not real stories.
WHAT MAN are you talking about?
There was no prodigal son. The only real story that Jesus told was Luke 16 about Hades.

The son wasn't REALLY dead,,, he was "as if" dead.

Come on Dcon...you're better than this.
Fran...I know your are not that dense to misunderstand what I said.....It was the MAN that assumed his son was dead because he was MISSING.....wake up....Jesus did not say the PRODIGAL lost his salvation and then regained it...that is your embellishment....!
 

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Two Kinds of Wisdom
...Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
Peacemakers who SOW in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

...DO NOT BE DECEIVED: God cannot be mocked. A MAN REAPS WHAT HE SOWS. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. . Galatians 6:7-8

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.7 Therefore do not be partners with them. Galatians 5:6-7
 
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it seems you are reading into it and ignoring the plain meaning. he was dead and ALIVE AGAIN. he didn't say he may be dead. If the father really is God in the parable HE knew the son was not physically dead. it also states he was lost. lookup the underlying Greek. Lost does not mean dead.
Lost does not mean dead......another cake taking statement....sure it does.....
but in your case..wisdom is justified of her children......and I am not the one reading in....you and your working for cronies that peddle a losable salvation are the ones reading in.....
 
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The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.


These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)


...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13


...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2


How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?


..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.


...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...
Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.

The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?
God Bless you. 😘😍
 

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Seoche....nobody listens to the same drivel you posted before.....!
Nice try rebel soldier. Ever heard of Lucifers pride and rebellion and the Son of perdition? Doesn't sound like he's obedient to authorities. Now if you're a good soldier, YOU will obey your commanding officer. Take as an example the people of God who won so many battles and were saved from destruction whenever they OBEY God as their commander. Did you trust and OBEY your commanding officer in the Marines?

Why won't you obey the Lord Jesus when He says that "if you want to ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments. (Matthew 19:17)

...“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46
 
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Nice try rebel soldier. Ever heard of Lucifers pride and rebellion and the Son of perdition? Doesn't sound like he's obedient to authorities. Now if you're a good soldier, YOU will obey your commanding officer. Take as an example the people of God who won so many battles and were saved from destruction whenever they OBEY God as their commander. Did you trust and OBEY your commanding officer in the Marines?

Why won't you obey the Lord Jesus when He says that "if you want to ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments. (Matthew 19:17)

...“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46
Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might GRACE reign through RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO ETERNAL LIFE, by Jesus Christ our lord.
 
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Nice try rebel soldier. Ever heard of Lucifers pride and rebellion and the Son of perdition? Doesn't sound like he's obedient to authorities. Now if you're a good soldier, YOU will obey your commanding officer. Take as an example the people of God who won so many battles and were saved from destruction whenever they OBEY God as their commander. Did you trust and OBEY your commanding officer in the Marines?

Why won't you obey the Lord Jesus when He says that "if you want to ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments. (Matthew 19:17)

...“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46
Not under the LAW Seoche....maybe you are...too bad that you condemn yourself...and even mlre hilarious that you now have followers....probably your other buddy that was banned before you were last time....

Try Jesus....he really saves and justifies by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW......!!
 
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Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might GRACE reign through RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO ETERNAL LIFE, by Jesus Christ our lord.
Yep...the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST IMPUTED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW...

you do understand imputed, faith and WITHOUT right? Obviously not!
 
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Not under the LAW Seoche....maybe you are...too bad that you condemn yourself...and even mlre hilarious that you now have followers....probably your other buddy that was banned before you were last time....

Try Jesus....he really saves and justifies by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW......!!
I just posted a Verse of what my God said. Just passing by.. 🚶🏻‍♂️🚶🏻‍♂️🕺🏾💃🏿💃🏿
 
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I replied to @Argueless, not you sir.
He’ll probably understand my post.
I understood just fine, I also understand that you like posts by a false accuser that was previously removed because of the same rigmarole accusations.....so......if par for the course rings true....he had a pal the last time from the same country doing the same thing, that being....making it look like he was supported in his accusatory endeavors..........just saying....!
 
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I understood just fine, I also understand that you like posts by a false accuser that was previously removed because of the same rigmarole accusations.....so......if par for the course rings true....he had a pal the last time from the same country doing the same thing, that being....making it look like he was supported in his accusatory endeavors..........just saying....!
@Argueless messages gave me joy, that yes, there are true Christians out there. 💆‍♂️..

Just noting...
 

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Not under the LAW Seoche....maybe you are...too bad that you condemn yourself...and even mlre hilarious that you now have followers....probably your other buddy that was banned before you were last time....

Try Jesus....he really saves and justifies by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW......!!
Why are you so afraid that you might not be able to obey GOD? If it's true that you are already saved then why say that no one keeps the law? Did Paul and the other men of God keep or uphold the law? Are they gonna end up in the burning lake of fire for doing so?

What does scriptures say about this?

... HE WILL PUNISH THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD AND DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS. THEY WILL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith.2 Thessalonians 1:8-11g


Who are those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our LORD Jesus?


...We know that WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. 1 John 2:3-4


...They claim to know God, but BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16


...They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4


...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrathcomes on those who are disobedient.7 Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6



 
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@Argueless messages gave me joy, that yes, there are true Christians out there. 💆‍♂️..

Just noting...
Christians do not peddle deception, false gospels and or blended false gospels of faith plus law keeping for or to keep salvation.....seems you value the worldly, pseudo use of "CHRISTIAN" over the biblical definiton of what equates to Christian.....but hey....par for the course with Cainologists, workers for, Pharisees and those that peddle a losable salvation like a street organ player with a dancing monkey in Bombay....!!!
 
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Why are you so afraid that you might not be able to obey GOD? If it's true that you are already saved then why say that no one keeps the law? Did Paul and the other men of God keep or uphold the law? Are they gonna end up in the burning lake of fire for doing so?

What does scriptures say about this?

... HE WILL PUNISH THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD AND DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS. THEY WILL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith.2 Thessalonians 1:8-11g


Who are those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our LORD Jesus?


...We know that WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. 1 John 2:3-4


...They claim to know God, but BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16


...They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4


...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrathcomes on those who are disobedient.7 Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6
Listen pal....I am afraid of nothing....and NO ONE KEEPS THE LAW OR HAS KEPT THE LAW EXCEPT JESUS....

Have you kept the law, every jot and tittle from your conception to this day, 24/7/365? NOPE...THAT makes you a law breaker and the LAW DEEMS YOU AND I guilty (Romans 3) and POINTS US, LIKE A SCHOOL MASTER THE THE ONLY CURE...the imputed righteousness of CHRIST DIA FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW!!!!
 
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Why are you so afraid that you might not be able to obey GOD? If it's true that you are already saved then why say that no one keeps the law? Did Paul and the other men of God keep or uphold the law? Are they gonna end up in the burning lake of fire for doing so?

What does scriptures say about this?

... HE WILL PUNISH THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD AND DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS. THEY WILL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith.2 Thessalonians 1:8-11g


Who are those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our LORD Jesus?


...We know that WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. 1 John 2:3-4


...They claim to know God, but BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16


...They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4


...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrathcomes on those who are disobedient.7 Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6
God will continue to bless you, these are verses from the bible, so it’s the word of God, I enjoy reading these verses..

Heads Up>>>> I suggest you do not answer about your personal life, people might want to draw you out of the context, but no, resist it, just keep on using dwelling Solely on the word of God.


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