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VCO

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I have a VIDEO for you about a species of Orange Tabby Cats the you may want.

Only problem, they can cost $20,000.


Can, you hear the husband explaining to the wife, "I know we needed a new car, but I bought a new Cat instead."
 

VCO

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Can the branch grow legs and choose to leave the vine....No

I abide and keep myself saved by my own effort......reads like works salvation to me

Sounds Like FUTILITY TO ME!


You Ever NOTICE HOW LONG AND LOUD they go one, when they want to puff themselves up with PRIDE, and QUOTE:

James 2:18 (NIV)
18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

Bragging How GOOD they are about KEEPING THE LAW.

YET NEVER EVEN MENTIONING THAT JAMES SAID IN THE SAME CONTEXT ONLY 8 VERSES EARLIER SAID:

James 2:10 (NIV)
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


And here is their STUMBLING BLOCK:

1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--


And Speed Limits are City, County, and State ORDINANCES!




GUILTY OF ALL OF THE LAW INCLUDING MURDER !

How come they NEVER MENTION Verse 10 when they READ verse 18 with their twisted Interpretation.
 
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Not only can we never be good enough to deserve salvation nor can we be so bad that we can not be saved.

Ephesisians 2:8-9 [SUP]8 [/SUP]For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— [SUP]9 [/SUP]not by works, so that no one can boast.

I feel overwhelmed with gratitude that God has given me the gift of salvation.
What a belief. You can't be good enough to deserve salvation, so that helps you decide that you don't have to be good. And then you can't be bad enough that you can't be saved, so that helps you to be as bad as you want because your saved anyway.

Is this how the gospel of Jesus Christ works? Is this what you read in your bible? I think you are headed down a wrong road. Don't got to be good, can be as bad as I want, Jesus will be there for me no matter what. I hope all your dreams come true, but watch out.
 

dcontroversal

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What a belief. You can't be good enough to deserve salvation, so that helps you decide that you don't have to be good. And then you can't be bad enough that you can't be saved, so that helps you to be as bad as you want because your saved anyway.

Is this how the gospel of Jesus Christ works? Is this what you read in your bible? I think you are headed down a wrong road. Don't got to be good, can be as bad as I want, Jesus will be there for me no matter what. I hope all your dreams come true, but watch out.
I think you completely missed the point........like by a mile!
 

Argueless

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Amen and you know why that is.....it is because JESUS BEGAN the work of faith and he will finish it and complete it......unlike the salvation losers that must MAINTAIN IT THEMSELVES.....the reason they must MAINTAIN IT is because they have never really trusted into Christ biblically.....this is an absolute truth.....ig one goes into this believing THEY MUST DO SOMETHING TO KEEP OR MAINTAIN IT....who are they really trusting in...NOT CHRIST TO FINISH IT, BUT THEMSELVES to maintain it!!!!

This is a self evident truth!!!!
The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)

...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who DIVIDE YOU, who follow mere natural instincts and DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT.

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

And those that were deceived believed on the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

... Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.

The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why REFUSE t take heed of them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?
 

dcontroversal

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I see that Seoche is still lying and peddling his self saving Catholic dogma.....you was banned once for lying and incessant false posts......keep breaking the law and lying.....proves who your god really is!
 

dcontroversal

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The bible states that Jesus became a curse for us, hung upon a cross and was momentarily forsaken by our Heavenly Father while he took our sin upon himself and became sin for us....all who look to him in genuine faith have the righteousness of CHRIST imputed by faith without the deeds/works of the Law.

All that peddle a losable salvation that must be maintained or kept by self effort have not trusted into Christ, but rarher themselves regardless of what they may say...

100% Christ or no salvation!
 

Argueless

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I see that Seoche is still lying and peddling his self saving Catholic dogma.....you was banned once for lying and incessant false posts......keep breaking the law and lying.....proves who your god really is!
Ad hominem.

Your Hatred for someone is so revealing and is not a sign of a true believer.

Believe the WORD and HUMBLY accept it. DO what it says.

... If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1 John 4:20-21

... My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

...“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46
 

Argueless

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DON'T JUST CLAIM BUT WALK THE TALK.

... This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. IF WE CLAIM to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, WE LIE and do not live by the truth. But if we WALK in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. IF WE CLAIM to be without sin, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. IF WE CLAIM we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and HIS WORD HAS NO PLACE IN OUR LIVES. 1 John 1:5-10

...Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. WALK while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. The man who WALKS in the dark does not know where he is going. John 12:35

...Whoever CLAIMS to live in him must WALK as Jesus did. 1 John 2:6

...But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and WALKS around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him. 1 John 2:11

...And this is love: that we WALK in OBEDIENCE to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK in LOVE. 2 John 1:6
 
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What a belief. You can't be good enough to deserve salvation, so that helps you decide that you don't have to be good. And then you can't be bad enough that you can't be saved, so that helps you to be as bad as you want because your saved anyway.

Is this how the gospel of Jesus Christ works? Is this what you read in your bible? I think you are headed down a wrong road. Don't got to be good, can be as bad as I want, Jesus will be there for me no matter what. I hope all your dreams come true, but watch out.
What?

Dude, you read things into his post which was just not there.
 

BillG

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I just finished reading a really interesting book.

It was about the history of glue.

I just couldn't put it down.
 

GodsGrace101

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Can the branch grow legs and choose to leave the vine....No

I abide and keep myself saved by my own effort......reads like works salvation to me
If we can't leave the vine...why did Jesus say we could?

Jesus said IF we keep His commandments,,,,we will abide in His love...live with His love, share in His love then we are His...

John 14:10
10“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. "

Jesus said we can disconnect ourselves from the vine by not heeding His commandments, which is the same as not bearing fruit:


John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; "

This means that Father God removes the branches that do not bear fruit.
Since it's up to US to bear fruit and do God's will, God is only removing us because it's US who do not want to be a part of the vine.


Why do you fear good works?
Jesus said we are not to hide our lamp....
He said that we are to be a light shining so that the world can see the good in us.
Mathew 5:14-16


You should not be ashamed of your good works....
Mathew 10:32
Luke 9:26