Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

wooow! KING JIMMY IS THE BEST TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH!

Proof: I like it the best.

Case closed!

The jesuits tried to stop the king james bible from coming out. God was behind that bible, no question. Its a true protestant bible!

I use the ole KING JIMMIETH.....but study every word for the Greek or Hebrew....like the word IRREVOCABLE..........it is directed at the GIFTS and calling of GOD.........and ALL that peddle a losable salvation MUST reject this word that is directed at the GIFTS of GOD....salvation is a GIFT and NOT of works lest any man should boast...

For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

ametamelétos: not repented of
Original Word: ἀμεταμέλητος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: ametamelétos
Phonetic Spelling: (am-et-am-el'-ay-tos)
Definition: not repented of
Usage: not to be repented of, about which no change of mind can take place, not affected by change of mind.

 

[Goodnewsman]

i can attest to the fact that it wont work!

pentecostals believe they can lose their salvation and their churches are just as much as a mess as any other church! MAybe even more!

Catholics believe that too, DIDNT DO THEM ANY GOOD!

As do mormons, jws!

Not lose your salvation but leave your salvation. Acts chapter 1 Judas by transgression fell

 

[dcontroversal]

So peter was doomed to destruction,

Or was jesus using a figure of speach to get peters attention?.

I guess he is in hell too?

Man, i am starting to worry,

Well you know he will say PETER temporarily lost salvation when he denied JESUS three times................

 

[Budman]

You may want to let your OSAS friends on here know that you can't be a habitual sinner and be saved......

Well, since you yourself sin every day, I'd call that habitual.

So, by your own admission - you're lost.

 

[Rosemaryx]

not only that

they CLAIM to have done those works

but He NEVER KNEW THEM


i can go on youtube right now and find "demons being casted out" of people... or making peoples legs grow or "healing them"... you tell me how authentic it is....

some of the people in these things become so deceived they actually believe they have super powers


chris lasala is a good example of this sort.... he will surely point to his works as well

Exactly...Why are they not in hospitals growing limbs back...They are nothing but darkness portraying themselves as angels of light...xox...

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus prayed regarding the Disciples: "“While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.” (John 17:12)

Which one doomed to destruction do ya think He was speaking of?

Pastor, my eye.

Kind of like how they reject the words and phrases like...

IRREVOCABLE
INCORRUPTIBLE
SAVED to the UTTERMOST
KEPT by the POWER of GOD
NEVER leave
NEVER forsake
ETERNAL life
EVERLASTING life
NO condemnation
WILL lose NOTHING the FATHER hath given ME
WILL finish and COMPLETE the work of faith in us that HE BEGAN
JUSTIFIED eternally
etc.

 

[Rosemaryx]

How hard is this to understand. Jesus gave Judas the power of God cast out devil's

Read Matthew 10 verse 1 Jesus gave it to him

Of course Satan has power but Judas did not receive his power from Satan the Bible plainly says Jesus gave it to him

Please read it and show me if I'm wrong

It is God who gives the power to all things...God gave Judas his place as Scripture foretold...xox...

 

[Rosemaryx]

How hard is this to understand. Jesus gave Judas the power of God cast out devil's

Read Matthew 10 verse 1 Jesus gave it to him

Of course Satan has power but Judas did not receive his power from Satan the Bible plainly says Jesus gave it to him

Please read it and show me if I'm wrong

There is something to see why Judas was named last also...

 

[Budman]

yes many will say "we prophesied in your name" "done many works in your name"

doubt any will say "i prophesied by the power of God" or "cast out devils by the power of God"

Matthew 10:1 (KJV)
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

let me slowly break this down

he called unto him his twelve disciple (had to include Judas, notice 12)

He (JESUS) gave them power against unclean spirits

the power of God to heal all manner of sickness

the verse you quoted doesn't apply here

Yes, it certainly does apply. Those people who told Jesus the things they had done in His name weren't lying. Do you think on judgment day they'll be lying to Jesus' face? Jesus also never accused them of lying. He simply says "I never knew you."

Also, in Luke 9:1 it says: "Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases."

And yet, in Luke 9:49-50, it says: "Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us." But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.”

Now, did Jesus also give that fellow the power? No. It isn't even implied at all.

What Bible college did you go to?

 

[Hevosmies]

Not lose your salvation but leave your salvation. Acts chapter 1 Judas by transgression fell

Look back to my post: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works.146296/page-4368#post-3856113

I believe you guys are making free will an IDOL! Even God cant supposedly do anything about this free will and people are just walking in and out of salvation like going to the mall!

ITS RIDICILOUS!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

SERIOUSLY..... You didn't learn this Sunday School?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and with staves to take me? I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. And they all forsook him, and fled.
Mark 14:48‭-‬50 KJV

But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Matthew 26:56 KJV

They fled when he was arrested, and they kept with each other we find out, because they still did not know what was happening

Judas fled while they were eating

Huge difference

 

[Rosemaryx]

If you are born again , then we WILL see the Kingdom of God...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not lose your salvation but leave your salvation. Acts chapter 1 Judas by transgression fell

Same difference

 

[dcontroversal]

What part of JUDAS FELL don't you understand........he. Wasn't always a thief .......Matthew 10 is plain on that


This does prove you can FALL by transgression. Plain and simple

What apart of the following scripture don't you understand.....especially the "BE" verb....You do understand what a "BE" verb means right........

Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?" Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I use the ole KING JIMMIETH.....but study every word for the Greek or Hebrew....like the word IRREVOCABLE..........it is directed at the GIFTS and calling of GOD.........and ALL that peddle a losable salvation MUST reject this word that is directed at the GIFTS of GOD....salvation is a GIFT and NOT of works lest any man should boast...

For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

ametamelétos: not repented of
Original Word: ἀμεταμέλητος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: ametamelétos
Phonetic Spelling: (am-et-am-el'-ay-tos)
Definition: not repented of
Usage: not to be repented of, about which no change of mind can take place, not affected by change of mind.

This is an interesting point. What is irrevocable?

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Rom 11:28-29

Two things are put here.
1. The jews are enemies of the gospel
2. They are loved

God blesses the Jews and they have His favour, yet they have been rejected, which is why we are accepted.

I draw from this, the promise is true and blessed, but if we are disobedient to it, we are condemned.
Otherwise the Jews are saved and destined for glory, individually and as a group.

So if Gods promise to us His people is irrevocable, if we are disobedient, we will be rejected just as the jews were.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 11:25

Do not become conceited, ie presumptuous, because one is an heir to the promise one can trample on its foundations.

There are parables about abusing the blessing we have in Christ, yet this is exactly what some claim is not relevant.

 

[Budman]

the one who by transgression fell!

how did he fall if never saved

its a nonsensical argument..... buddy

God knew Judas would never have saving faith, that's why Jesus said Judas was doomed so that the scriptures would be fulfilled. Judas was like many Jews at that time - they were looking for a Messiah who would overthrow the Romans, not a lowly savior who got nailed to a cross.

And one can fall away without being saved. Just look at those Jews in Hebrews 6 who "tasted" the heavenly gift, but fell away and went back to Judaism. As long as they remained there, they could never be saved.

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself?

 

[dcontroversal]

You may want to let your OSAS friends on here know that you can't be a habitual sinner and be saved......that's exactly what I've heard on here continully

Many will say we done many things in your name..... but not Judas

Judas will have to say "I cast out devil's by the power of God". Matthew 10

Judas will say " I healed all Manor of diseases by the power of God"

Big difference

Another deceitful lie in bolded above....the only straw the salvation losers have to grasp...

 

[Goodnewsman]

AMEN...let's all take the King's English where they added ETH to everything and make a dogma out of if...we can play that game

the Flesch-Kincaid research company’s Grade Level Indicator shows "The KJV ranks easier in 23 out of 26 comparisons.......the grade level average KJV written in is 5.8

This certainly explains alot why it's so hard for some people to understand

 

[Budman]

Man, I almost feel sorry for Goodnewsman. He's really getting raked over the coals.

 

[Goodnewsman]

i can attest to the fact that it wont work!

pentecostals believe they can lose their salvation and their churches are just as much as a mess as any other church! MAybe even more!

Catholics believe that too, DIDNT DO THEM ANY GOOD!

As do mormons, jws!

Is God calling you back to the Pentecostals.......you mention them alot