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YourTruthGod

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Sorry, was too tired at 1:30 am to keep on.

But in giving you this next instruction I do not praise you, because when you meet together it does more harm than good! 18 For, in the first place, I hear that when you gather together as a congregation you divide up into cliques; and to a degree I believe it 19 (granted that there must be some divisions among you in order to show who are the ones in the right). 20

In another scripture, Paul says that some were eating their own private dinners, not waiting for all. That's out of the Hebrew translation.

The unity of the body is what God wants. When we are United as one in the Lord, without division, we will then receive the benefits of our salvation. Not discerning the body as one.

But, I do believe the prophets. And soon we will see large gatherings with many miracles taking place. They already are in other places. America is behind?

We should ask ourselves why?
Not sure how you think you disproved what I said.
 

GodsGrace101

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No, you explain. I did.
You did NOT explain it...
You just posted some verses from scripture.

I wonder if you know the difference..probably not.
This could be the whole problem here....

I hear such nice words on this thread.....
But then they're all taken back when statements are made that are incorrect and seem to make it be understood that it's God doing everything...we do nothing...but we get to go to heaven anyway....

It's all very unscriptural.
 

FollowHisSteps

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We are secure in Him because we abide, we are communing with Him, He is the vine we are the branches,
His life flows from us in our praise and thanks.

1 John 4:13 This is how we know that we abide in him and he in us: he has given us his Spirit.
I do agree about worship.

I agree that we have no security in check box ticking or as Paul said, in keeping the law, faultless.

Good

Our security is in Christ alone. And we know we are in Him because we obey and walk in His ways, they
are our heart beat.

Here is my disagreement. We know we are in Him (1) He has given us His Holy Spirit, (2) He promises us His keeping power to the end, we believe Him. Faith. Then actions from the new creation man/woman.


I have met people on forums who it is not their heart beat, rather they confess they hate the law and feel
condemned just reading it. For me this defines a none born again soul where the Holy Spirit is not reflecting
His reality and repentance and confession of sin to produce a Holy refined saint.

You are judging a heart. Condemnation does come from law. One is not free then. Plus, we will never be an overcomer through law. We live through the faith OF Jesus. Perhaps you have not yet realized this truth?
Our security is in Christ alone. And we know we are in Him because we obey and walk in His ways, they
are our heart beat.

Here is my disagreement. We know we are in Him (1) He has given us His Holy Spirit, (2) He promises us His keeping power to the end, we believe Him. Faith. Then actions from the new creation man/woman.
I am not saying I have an opinion on this, this is my experience.
How do we know we are in Him? Because we obey and love the brothers and sisters in Christ.
This is what John is testifying to. Some may feel this is condemning if they do not feel like this.
My answer is go to Jesus, ask Him to show you and follow His leading.

I have met people on forums who it is not their heart beat, rather they confess they hate the law and feel
condemned just reading it.
Gods law is our heart beat, it is written in our hearts and minds when we come to Christ.
It is one of my earliest experiences, being surprised at Gods wisdom in the law.
On reading the old testament, I kept seeing a Lord of love and hope being rejected for
sin and greed. It was so so so sad.

Now it is not I judging someone, they are defining for themselves where they are in the spiritual
Kingdoms.

Your Kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven

If one literally hates Gods law, rebels and sins against it constantly, one does not want His kingdom
on earth or will rejoice in being in Heaven. This is just spiritual reality. They are not saved and do not
know the King.
 

YourTruthGod

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Why are you teaching what men must do under the old covenant, rather than the inheritance of the new?
You have to first become a child of God's to be an heir!
Do you think anyone can be an heir just because they say they believe?
Jesus tells us how to be an heir when he says to humble yourself as a child and repent of your sins.

When Jesus walked the earth he made his last will and testament. Wills must be followed exactly.
Jesus tells us how to be an heir, and what to do to get the inheritance.
 

stonesoffire

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It's now 2:06 pm and I have things to do.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is what we have been given. Within our very being, if we have been born from above, is the new nature of light. The image of God. Complete.

You GG want to please the Lord. Be filled with His Spirit for there is where His seed is planted. Seed of His Word. As we grow into Him, we learn how to resist our own way, and live out of His. All we need is given for godly living.

Some may not know this. But it's in the scriptures. His very being is planted in us. He grows up and the kingdom of God reigns!

In us!
 

stonesoffire

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You have to first become a child of God's to be an heir!
Do you think anyone can be an heir just because they say they believe?
Jesus tells us how to be an heir when he says to humble yourself as a child and repent of your sins.

When Jesus walked the earth he made his last will and testament. Wills must be followed exactly.
Jesus tells us how to be an heir, and what to do to get the inheritance.
You obviously either don't read my posts, or don't comprehend.

Am done for this day.
 

YourTruthGod

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Yes there is.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 If you love Me, you will keep My commands.


Matthew 7:20-23 (HCSB)
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit. [Primary Spiritual Fruit is LOVE, see, Gal. 5:22]
21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [Only those who have Agape Love for him will inter the kingdom of heaven.]
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’ [.They did all those deeds for the wrong motive.]
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
[.They were not motivated to do those deeds with GODLY LOVE FOR JESUS, known as AGAPE LOVE.}
Uhm, they did NOT obey Jesus in Matthew 7:20-23. So how do you get that you should use them as an example of a wrong motive to obey Jesus? They didn't repent of their sins, they kept doing evil things.
 

GodsGrace101

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It's now 2:06 pm and I have things to do.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is what we have been given. Within our very being, if we have been born from above, is the new nature of light. The image of God. Complete.

You GG want to please the Lord. Be filled with His Spirit for there is where His seed is planted. Seed of His Word. As we grow into Him, we learn how to resist our own way, and live out of His. All we need is given for godly living.

Some may not know this. But it's in the scriptures. His very being is planted in us. He grows up and the kingdom of God reigns!

In us!
You also be filled with the Spirit....
Obey what the Spirit of God tells you...
Do not speak against obedience...
Do not expect God to do everything for you.
Do the work of God on earth which IS being in the Kingdom of God.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20

Some have long shared that showing ones heart through ones deeds is wrong and evil, heretical
teaching. Here is Paul saying this is something all believers should do to prove they have
actually turned to God.

Sadly for lost souls, the word of God is not enough, which is why they are truly lost.
 

stonesoffire

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P.S.
I knew you wouldn't.....
You are stubborn and refuse to hear what people say. I don't say this to be cruel. The 10 commandments are in the seed for Jesus is the living Torah walking on earth. A new heart is completed in our spirit. Our soul and a renewal of mind then begins the process of being saved.

So we are naturally supernatural in life and His life does flow from our being.....in Him.

Another reason why the gifts are so important. The prophetic flows in revelations of truth even though the speaker may not yet have the understanding to teach. This is prophecy I am speaking of. So all are taught. Even the one who was used for it's not by might, nor by power but by His Spirit saith the Lord.

This is inside out. The old Covenant had prophets too that spoke the will of God but was never from within. Upon. There is your difference.
 

YourTruthGod

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Plus not even speaking of being led by Holy Spirit. Hearing His Voice. Sheep hear.

But, we the body are being made Sons.

Like a blip in time that eventually will close, then Israel, the nation, picks up again.
What? The saved are Israel. The true Israel.
 

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BillG

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I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20
Which is basically genuine faith, which leads to genuine repentance or is it genuine repentance which leads to faith?

Either way if it's genuine it will evidence itself in works or deeds that are condusive to walking after/in the spirit.
 

YourTruthGod

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Such error!

Lord, this type of error may indeed be the sin that leads to death.
Oh wow, you have been deceived, for how do you ever get that obeying Jesus will ever lead anyone to death?!

I don't know. If it is not, I pray You would open the eyes of this individual that he may see that he is trampling on the Blood of Your Son by adding his works to what Jesus has done.
You need to pray for yourself. You hinder people from getting saved by saying to obey Jesus is to trample his blood. Jesus wants us to do his works for us.
Your Son sweat Blood praying to you that if there be ANY other way to take the cup from Him. Yet He did Your Will, to His Glory and our redemption. WE cannot give ourselves a NEW heart and make ourselves a NEW creation. I pray You would do that here. In Jesus sweet, Holy and precious Name I pray.
You are badly mistaken. We are to go to the cross and repent of our sins and have faith that Jesus' shed blood washes away our sins.

God tells us how to get a new heart! He says to obey Him and repent!

Ezekiel 18:31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

They die because they do not repent of their sins.
 

Hevosmies

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I have met people on forums who it is not their heart beat, rather they confess they hate the law and feel
condemned just reading it.
For me this defines a none born again soul where the Holy Spirit is not reflecting
His reality and repentance and confession of sin to produce a Holy refined saint.
Oy vey!

Im one of these devils that read the law and feel condemned. Because I feel like im never good enough no matter how much I try, its like fixing a house where you fix the stairs and the porch starts falling off, you fix the porch and the roof starts leaking!

You combine that with Jesus saying: My yoke is EASY and burden is LIGHT. John says the same thing, that His commands are not grievous. WHAT? Which commandments would those be? I know im extra wicked and come from an extra wicked background, BUT can someone please tell me which command is easy, or light or not grievous? Love your neighbor? Good luck with the kind of neighbors I got!

I have heard all the comforting sermons and people have told me online and offline that nobody can obey what Jesus said and I get that, but why bother giving us useless commands if we cant even follow them? Just to set a standard so we can always feel terrible not fulfilling it and that'll cause us to lean on God's grace? That doesnt sound like something Jesus had in mind because: My yoke is EASY, burden is LIGHT, Commands are NOT grievous.

Can someone unpack this for me? I have heard a thousand sermons on it, ive had a thousand and one people tell it to me, but it just doesnt match the EASY, not grievous parts!
 

PennEd

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Oh wow, you have been deceived, for how do you ever get that obeying Jesus will ever lead anyone to death?!


You need to pray for yourself. You hinder people from getting saved by saying to obey Jesus is to trample his blood. Jesus wants us to do his works for us.


You are badly mistaken. We are to go to the cross and repent of our sins and have faith that Jesus' shed blood washes away our sins.

God tells us how to get a new heart! He says to obey Him and repent!

Ezekiel 18:31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

They die because they do not repent of their sins.
Ya see, this is the sneaky, deceptiveness of this Co-savior doctrine going on here.
"You are teaching that we shouldn't obey Jesus?!!!!!!!!, YOU are preaching a false Gospel!"

I have been on here 6 yrs and I have never heard ANY true believer in Christ, and HIS finished work, say or intimate such nonsense.

What I HAVE heard, praise God, is a staunch defense, & unashamed proclamation, of THE One True Gospel unto Salvation.

What so many like this poster has attempted to do is say that because we say it is SOLELY by the Blood of Christ that we are saved, and that there is NOTHING we can do to add or help to what He has done, and become a Co-savior with Him, and to try and do such a thing is indeed trampling on His Blood, that we are teaching "we can live any way we want".

Paul says this about such:
Romans 3:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their [a]condemnation is just.