Not By Works

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I do not believe any of the others that still exist can compare to Christian Chat. One I used to look at occasionally (without posting) had intrusive ads interrupting the flow of conversations. Another one I was a member of for years before I found my way here, was hacked some time ago, and it completely messed up their format somehow, and they may also have undergone a platform change which was not an improvement either.

Thanks. I agree Christian Chat is the best by far. I just left another forum where the admins were clearly biased, even though it was a "Christian" site.

 

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Not me....I tried a few and they were a joke.....10 times as many deceivers, workers for, salvation losers....

I haven't found one either.

 

[Magenta]

Thanks. I agree Christian Chat is the best by far. I just left another forum where the admins were clearly biased, even though it was a "Christian" site.

One of the other Christian sites that a few others used to sometimes
promote here shut down with no advance warning to their members

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Colossians 2:6-10
Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

 

[corazondeldei]

This below is my reply to Melach which i believe is the cause of VCO's remark or comment that i am not asking questions but was hurling accusations and he would want me to apologize for this and not my questioning from my posts where he made this remarks.


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If this is true then Jesus was not really saying the truth when He told the church in Sardis that He has found their deeds not complete in the sight of God and that they need to remember what they have heard and received, to obey it and repent? If you consider them as saved for believing what they have heard and received the very moment they believed, why would Jesus require them to obey and repent or else He will come like a thief? If they were saved yet reject Jesus what Jesus told them to do and death overtakes them, will they still remain saved?

There are people on CC who says that their sins in the past, present and future were all forgiven and they therefore do not need to ask forgiveness and repent. Some say that lying to the Holy Spirit is Ok, that blasphemy to the Holy Spirit is no longer unforgivable while some boldly declare that they are sinners who will keep sinning until they die but will still be saved. They say that obedience to God has no bearing in salvation. Aren't these contrary to what you say that they obey because they were saved as they claim?

NIV1984 Isaiah 5:20-21
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

NIV1984 Jude 1:4
For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

NIV1984 1 Timothy 6:3-5
Love of Money If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

No deceiver would ever teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD.
End Quote.

If this offended you VCO then I apologize for stating my beliefs and sharing my views but I'm sorry too that I cannot let scriptures apologize to you.

Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:4

I also suggest that you read again my reply to Melach and kindly show me where exactly were the accusations are.

Thanks and God bless.

You did not ask questions, YOU HURLED ACCUSATIONS, in my opinion.


Do you even know what BORN AGAIN is exactly?

Do you even know the Difference between Salvation and Sanctification?

How do you KNOW when you are SAVED?


Now there are Three questions, the I do not think you can even come close to answering correctly.

 

[corazondeldei]

1 Corinthians 8:1-3
...Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2 The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.3 But the man who loves God is known by God.

NIV1984 1 John 5:3
This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

NIV1984 1 John 2:3-6
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

NIV1984 Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’[/

You did not ask questions, YOU HURLED ACCUSATIONS, in my opinion.


Do you even know what BORN AGAIN is exactly?

Do you even know the Difference between Salvation and Sanctification?

How do you KNOW when you are SAVED?


Now there are Three questions, the I do not think you can even come close to answering correctly.[/QUOTE]

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Basically you do not agree based on your above response to GB.

You come across as saying that someone is saved when they start walking with Jesus and not by their faith in Jesus as accepting him as Lord.

So faith has no bearing on salvation but the works that follow.
If that is the case then one has to identify, quantify and qualify what that walk entails and when it started.

I could be wrong and have misunderstood what you are trying to convey.

The fact is that we are exhorted as believers to walk like Jesus.
Let our light shine, be salt, have a faith that shows up.

But my concern concerning your response is that people can look at the external and disregard the internal, the heart.

So at the end of the day.
Saved by faith or by our walk?
Faith is the constant here but not necessarily that walk.

I agree salvation is having faith in Jesus, believing in Him.
Everything is about the heart. Out of the heart flows our walk.

In Christ we are filled with the Holy Spirit, made holy, purified, brought into the Kingdom.
It sounds like you want to find something deeper, what is that?

 

[stonesoffire]

Just a quick question - are any of you members of any other christian forums? If so, would you share? I know this question should be under another topic but this thread is about the only one I use on this site?

No. One is enough and I have trouble keeping up with this one.

 

[dcontroversal]

One of the other Christian sites that a few others used to sometimes
promote here shut down with no advance warning to their members

I like CC.........been here 5.5 years......absolutely love it.......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One of the other Christian sites that a few others used to sometimes
promote here shut down with no advance warning to their members

Which one?

 

[Magenta]

Which one?

I don't know the name because I don't think I ever posted there, but if you asked Dan he probably (more than likely) would... because he did used to post there, and give reports occasionally MailmanDan

 

[stonesoffire]

I am not sure what you mean by judging.
You are saying by realizing our identity, we are no longer overcome by past issues.

What do you mean?

We are to identify with Jesus, the Victorious One. That’s our secure position with being found in Him through faith. We miss the mark as to our humanity, which is the meaning of sin. It’s never been what we do, but what we are. Fallen. So we need one greater than this which never missed the mark of godliness. That’s why He alone is our Saviour.

Judging is united with condemnation. Only God can judge righteous judgement for He not only sees our hearts desire to be like Him, but He sees His plan when He looks at us. He does not condemn, and rewards can be both here openly, or at the judgement seat of Christ.

But, there are kingdom laws and when it comes to sin, Holy Spirit draws back to allow reaping and sowing to work. Is one way we are chastened.

So Paul said we aren’t to judge another brothers walk. Nor would he judge himself but understood that Holy Spirit puts His light upon our hearts.

Renewing our mind is another thing.

So, being our position is in Him, we identify with Jesus because as we see Him, we become like Him.

No one can see clearly under condemnation.

One who is dead to an old life, but raised to another that is entirely different will respond according to new life. The new creation man or woman.

Clear or not.

 

[theanointedwinner]

Not every chat site has an ignore feature

 

[eternally-gratefull]

CC is the best chat sight format and organization. Although it is not as good as it used to be. Alot of good people left.. And they let alot more go on today than they used to.

 

[Macabeus]

What is experiential righteousness? Would that not be walking upright? I don't see this in the scriptures unless you mean increasing light within?

And this question is just that. Not a challenge.

It was a term some one else used, so I followed suit. Another word for it is practical righteousness.

Practical righteousness is described in Titus 2:12- Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

 

[Macabeus]

Here is my reason for the question:

Rom 8:30　 But the ones whomG3739 G1161 he predefined,G4309 theseG3778 alsoG2532 he called.G2564 AndG2532 whomG3739 he called,G2564 theseG3778 alsoG2532 he justified.G1344 And whomG3739 G1161 he justified,G1344 theseG3778 alsoG2532 he glorified.G1392

This is the ABP bible. I seem to be able to understand better with this one.

This is past, yet continuing. Here is the Geneva translation note.


He uses the past tense for the present time, as the Hebrews use, who sometimes describe something that is to come by using the past tense, to signify the certainty of it: and he also is referring to God's continual working.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, but we already have these each of these positions. We are rendered innocent or justified by being In Him.

So how is this all worked out? By our works? Or by His Spirit working? That's what I am trying to find out here.

I can see that the once saved, always saved has a valid point. Jesus has finished this all for us if we have been called and answered Him. That's the beginning. Now how is this worked out?

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Positionally, we are complete and perfect in Him from the moment we believe. But we are called to work out (not work for) our own salvation. (Philippians 2:12). This does not mean to "work for", but the best way I heard it explaned is we work out what God works in. God works in us TO WILL AND TO DO HIS GOOD PLEASURE (Phil. 2:13) and we are progressively conformed to what God is working into us by His Spirit. The scriptures also tell us "having these promises, let us cleanse ourselves of all filthiness of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 7:1)

God's purpose in saving us is to conform us to the image of His Son, so that He might be the FIRSTBORN among many brethren. Now we will not be conformed perfectly until the parousia/appearing, (1 John 3:2) but the hope of His appearing and our glorification causes us to purify ourselves just as He is pure. (1 John 3:3)

So we are complete in Christ the moment we believe, but we walk more in more in that reality as we grow in the grace and knowledge of our LORD Jesus Christ

 

[stonesoffire]

It was a term some one else used, so I followed suit. Another word for it is practical righteousness.

Practical righteousness is described in Titus 2:12- Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

You are right. Looking at both words righteous and justify, it seems interchangeable with some scriptures, but not all. Or maybe it’s righteous as the base thought and justify or declared innocent for emphasis.

Anyway, it’s as our lifestyle that shows the work of God within us. Is this correct?

Would make a good study.

 

[mailmandan]

I don't know the name because I don't think I ever posted there, but if you asked Dan he probably (more than likely) would... because he did used to post there, and give reports occasionally MailmanDan

I used to be a member of the Bible-discussion website before it shut down a little while back. That website had reached the point to where it had become completely hijacked by false teachers, which resulted in a toxic environment and the mods there did nothing about it. That website turned into the Jerry Springer show!

 

[stonesoffire]

That’s the only site that ever banned me.

Uh...so far that is. 😳

 

[dcontroversal]

I used to be a member of the Bible-discussion website before it shut down a little while back. That website had reached the point to where it had become completely hijacked by false teachers, which resulted in a toxic environment and the mods there did nothing about it. That website turned into the Jerry Springer show!

I tried one other site....cannot remember it's name and it was a joke.......nothing but a glorified "hook up" spot and a social gathering.....no one actually discussed the word.......

I just stick with CC.....LOYAL to the core HAH....