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fredoheaven

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My belief is built on the Rock of Ages, in the scripture of truth not in any man. The measurement of the truth is found only in the Bible. Bible only!
 

fredoheaven

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I made response to Smooth who is passing judgement on another believer! I am washed in the Blood of The Lamb( God's only begotten Son,Jesus) ! The sins of my life before I knew Christ are forgiven. I answer to Him if I commit sins in my walk with Him now,by conviction of the Holy Spirit,I repent and confess those before Him! We all must put off our own righteousness and put on His righteousness! People who are always judging others not in love for love is of reproof and correction! Judgement is God's calling not ours! The ppl here do not try and build up nor encourage,they are to busy mocking,scoffing degrading,and tearing down others! I do not care what others opinions are of me,I know my stand in God. If it soothes the ego of some that more than once has called me a hypocrite ,so be it! I see NO LOVE in dc,none ever expressed in what his arrogant self has to say! God will be the judge! Please if you are in dc possee do not address me again!
Here, have we understood what it really means to be washed in the BLOOD of the LAMB? Oh it nothing in my hand I bring only to the cross I cling.

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
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For my cleansing this I see—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
For my pardon this my plea—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
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Nothing can my sin erase
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Naught of works, ’tis all of grace—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!

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This is all my hope and peace—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
This is all my righteousness—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
 

VCO

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Great testimony!

I had a similar experience of religiousness before actually being truly born again.

Ive heard a similar testimony like that many times, appeareantly its QUITE COMMON for people to just attend church out of tradition or habit yet not be born again!

I guess thats why we preach revivals!

YES, I thought I was Saved because of my infant baptism, and at 29 years of age, I discovered I did not know the first thing about SALVATION. Remember the Parable of the GATES, and MANY entered the Wide, Easy Gate. I now believe Everyone on BOTH of those ROADS THINK THEY ARE CHRISTIANS; and only the FEW found the right Gate. By the way, welcome back to the thread.
 

fredoheaven

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HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT
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Many times I’m tried and tested
As I travel day by day.
‘Oft I meet with pain and sorrow
And there’s trouble in the way.
But I have a sweet assurance
That my soul, the Lord will lead.
And in Him there is strength for every need.
Oh, His grace is sufficient for me.
And His love is abundant and free.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me.
When the tempter brings confusion
And I don’t know what to do,
On my knees I turn to Jesus
For He’ll always see me through.
Then despair is changed to victory.
Every doubt just melts away
And in Him there is hope for everyday.
Oh, His grace is sufficient for me.
And His love is abundant and free.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me
Written by Mosie Lister; Published by Mosie Lister Songs/Southern Faith Songs

 

Leastamongmany

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Usa
But in the Letters to the Churches in Revelation, I see HE had 5 Churches that HE Himself had notes on somewhat against them. YET HE Himself RECOGNIZED they were getting some SAVED. That includes the Catholic Church. Granted they are only getting a few saved, while most are Mary Worshipers. But some are Born Again Christians. The old adages apply there, like: Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some hear want to throw the grown adults out, like OSAS.

I have NO desire to throw them out! We must season our speech with love,this isn't done by mockery,name calling not degrading another person!
 

DeighAnn

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No, no, it is not complicated, it is the Simplicity of FAITH. Before I was born again, I would have argued MUCH the SAME as you do, that I really was a Christian, THINKING I was a real Christian, without ever knowing that I did not even KNOW the MEANING OF THE TERM. I mean, I would have even fought against those that accused me that I was NOT A REAL CHRISTIAN.

The difference is NIGHT AND DAY. I used to know about Jesus, AND NOW I REALLY KNOW HIM! I used to be a LUTHERAN, LUTHERAN'S and NOT A CHRISTIAN LUTHERAN. I WAS A PROUD LUTHERAN, and WOULD HAVE QUOTED the Lutheran Catechism to anybody. I was PROUD of my Infant BAPTISM, thinking it saved me. I would have Proudly proclamed that I went to Lutheran Services Volunteer Camp. NEVER EVEN SUSPECTING THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD SAVED, and sure of it. The same is true about Catholicism. There are LOTS of CATHOLIC, CATHOLIC'S, proud of their Catholic heritage, while worshiping MARY. HOWEVER there are a FEW CHRISTIAN, Catholics who WORSHIP CHRIST. Yes, I have met some of them.

The Night after my Third attempt at Suicide the last week of 1977, after being told by my wife of only 6 month, that she wanted a divorce because, I could not earn enough money to buy her what she wanted in life, on CHRISTMAS EVE no less. I spun into deep, deep depression, and over the next four days I attempt suicide THREE times. The first two times I had a pistol against my temple, with the trigger half pulled. A TERROR CAME OVER ME, not that I was about to die, BUT THAT I KNEW I WAS ABOUT TO WALK INTO HADES/HELL OF MY OWN ACCORD. IT WAS A TERROR WAY BEYOND BELIEF, WAY MORE THAN A MURDERER WITH A KNIFE TO MY THROAT COULD EVER PUT THAT TERROR IN ME, IT CAUSED ME TO DROP THE PISTOL BOTH TIMES.

The Third TIME, I had seen a road crew that afternoon POURING very thick Gravel on a Dirt Road two miles from my house. As I sat in a bar that night, getting as Drunk as I could without passing out. I thought about that LOOSE GRAVEL on that Dirt Road, and I was on my Dirt Bike, made me think of arranging a FATAL motorcycle accident for myself. I KNEW THE MOST DANGEROUS SURFACE YOU CAN RIDE A DIRT MOTORCYCLE ON, IS A VERY LOOSE GRAVELED ROAD. When the Bar Closed, I went home, to DROP MY HELMET OFF, and then immediately road out to the LOOSE GRAVEL ROAD, with NO HELMET, because I wanted to wreck my BIKE, and HIT HEAD FIRST loosing control at full speed. I EVEN TAUNTED GOD, as I approached that mile. I looked up at the sky, and shouted, "IF YOU WANT ME, YOU CAN TAKE ME ANYWHERE YOU WANT ME ON THIS MILE!" Please DO NOT TEST GOD THE WAY I DID!

I opened the throttle WIDE OPEN, Leaned out over the Handle Bars, to insure that I hit head first when I lost control. Around the half mile mark, I thought, "This makes no SENSE." Double Checked that the Throttle was WIDE OPEN, and it was, and I was as DRUNK AS I COULD GET. I HIT the Pavement at the ended of the Mile, slowed down and Stopped, looking back at that loose gravel, wondering, "WHAT JUST HAPPENED." I rode the enter mile ON LOOSE GRAVEL and it FELT LIKE I WAS RIDING ON PAVEMENT. I slowly went home and sat up most of the night, sobering up, and WONDERING, what happened on that road, and why I was not dead ? ? ?

I was sitting at the dining room table, and still about shortly before 5:00, and still wondering what happened ? ? ? I was sleepy so I decided to go to bed and I had the next Night off. As I walked in to the bedroom, A thought came to me. "I CANNOT RIDE A BIKE LIKE THAT, EVEN SOBER, AND I WAS AS DRUNK AS A HOOT OWL. GOD MUST HAVE REACHED DOWN AND GRABBED A HOLD OF MY BIKE, TO TELL ME, 'NO YOU DON'T, I HAVE A PURPOSE FOR YOUR LIFE.' " SUDDENLY, wave, after wave, after wave washed over me of GUILT OVER MY WHOLE LIFESTYLE, as I FELL TO MY KNEES, and that GUILT was so intense, it literally woke me totally up.

I STARTED TO CRY and WEEP like a BABY, and SOBBED as "I PRAYED, LORD FORGIVE ME, PLEASE FORGIVE ME." OVER, and OVER, and OVER AGAIN. AFTER AN HOUR OR SO, THAT CRUSHING WEIGHT OF SIN, eventually pushed me PROSTRATE on the FLOOR. I KEPT CRYING as I PRAYED, "LORD FORGIVE ME, PLEASE FORGIVE ME! If you have a purpose for my life, YOU have to come into my life, and do it through me. I cannot do it, I am making a mess of my life."

No one in the Church that I went to, ever taught me to pray a prayer like that, EVER. AND I MEANT EVERY WORD OF THAT PRAYER WITH MY WHOLE BEING. I believe it was the Holy Spirit that GAVE ME THAT Prayer as I CONTINUED TO WEEP AND CRY OVER MY UTTER SINFULNESS. I lost all track of time, but I CRIED FOR AT LEAST 2 or 3 Hours, or more.

That is where I usually end my testimony, BUT THERE IS MORE. I will tell you the rest, but you cannot make fun of it. IT WILL HURT ME DEEPLY, and MAKE ME REGRET TELLING YOU THE REST. I had an experience that shook me to my core; and for a long, long time just ended the testimony with Just admitting I cried for at least 2 or 3 Hours, or more. I was HAVING A HARD TIME BELIEVING HE COULD FORGIVE ME, BECAUSE I KNOW HOW BAD I USED TO BE. While I was Laying There prostrate on that bedroom floor, I had a VISION, or maybe if I fell asleep it could have been a DREAM, but if it was a DREAM, is was the most intense and vivid DREAM I could ever have, but I do not recall getting tired.

The VISION or DREAM was I found myself on my KNEES still CRYING and WEEPING FOR FORGIVENESS, at the FOOT OF THE CROSS, REACHING UP TO HIM on that CROSS, as I continued to CRY. Then I noticed something that I HAD NEVER BEEN TAUGHT IN THE LUTHERAN CHURCH and NO ONE ELSE HAD EVER TRIED TO TEACH ME EITHER. THE NAILS WERE THROUGH HIS WRISTS. (Since then I have been taught that they had to have been through HIS wrist, because the flesh would have torn through in HIS Palms. PLUS the JEWS consider the WRISTS to be part of the Hands.) As I was focusing on the nails, BLOOD STARTED TO DRIP FROM THOSE NAILS, AND FELL ON MY FOREARMS, AND IT FELT WARM. I NEW AT THAT MOMENT I WAS FORGIVEN!

That is where the VISION or DREAM ended. That was the night I was Born Again. I AM SURE OF IT. IT WAS A COMPLETE TOTAL SURRENDER OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, AND I HAVE NEVER DOUBTED IT IS VERY REAL, FOREVER. NOW I KNOW HIM INTIMATELY, BEFORE I only knew about Him. The infant baptism did not save me, the memorization of the Lutheran Catechism did not save me, Church membership in the Lutheran Church did not save me, I only KNEW in my head about JESUS and all STORIES about HIM WERE TRUE IN THE BIBLE, BUT even the demons believe that much.

I TRUSTED HIM TOTALLY, and THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING IMPORTANT WITH MY LIFE. MY HUMAN SPIRIT WAS ALIVE, AND I COULD TELL, MY HUNGER FOR THE WORD OF GOD WAS THROUGH THE ROOF. THE MOST BORING BOOK ON EARTH, JUST BECAME THE MOST EXCITING BOOK I COULD EVER READ. HE lead me to various Radio and TV ministries, I was content and satisfied in my Human Spirit with the teaching of Dr. John MacArthur, Dr. Chuck Swindoll, Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Ed Young, Dr. Richard Lee, Dr. Zola Levitt, Dr. Ben Haden. I found a VERY GOOD BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH, in Lincoln, NE. where Dr. Gil Rugh taught a one hour SERMON. I couldn't get enough of that GOOD Bible Teaching. And all of them and every CHURCH that I have been associated with, is conservative evangelical style of Churches. DID HE TAKE CONTROL OF MY LIFE ? ? ? ABSOLUTELY! How does a Nebraska Farm Boy, become a Volunteer Protestant Prison Chaplain, with NO FORMAL BIBLE COLLEGE Training, in the end-of-the-line CA. supermax Prison for 9.5 years, and then 5.5 years more at another supermax Prison? HE KNOWS HOW? He just kept opening the doors, and I just kept walking through.

IT AWES ME TO THINK BACK THROUGH ALL HE HAS DONE IN MY LIFE.
There is no better feeling of love and comfort than when Jesus is holding you. You do feel like a completely new and different person, less like a person, more like a "soul" a child of God residing in the flesh. It never goes away. The only thing that compares is when God sets the revelations of truth with in you. There is no place on this earth I would choose to go in place of those and only for a lack of a better word "trips". where He brings all the wisdom and knowledge you have been collecting and puts it together for you. I have only had that happen a few times and some marathon Bible sessions but it makes you set aside all your time for God, that is for sure. and It makes you yearn to move on, to be with the Lord, yet you know you must stay to do what you have been called to do. The waiting is the hardest part. Beautiful. I can relate to all those feelings and so we Praise the Lord God for all the love always.
 

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I was sitting at the dining room table, and still about shortly before 5:00, and still wondering what happened ? ? ? I was sleepy so I decided to go to bed and I had the next Night off. As I walked in to the bedroom, A thought came to me. "I CANNOT RIDE A BIKE LIKE THAT, EVEN SOBER, AND I WAS AS DRUNK AS A HOOT OWL. GOD MUST HAVE REACHED DOWN AND GRABBED A HOLD OF MY BIKE, TO TELL ME, 'NO YOU DON'T, I HAVE A PURPOSE FOR YOUR LIFE.' " SUDDENLY, wave, after wave, after wave washed over me of GUILT OVER MY WHOLE LIFESTYLE, as I FELL TO MY KNEES, and that GUILT was so intense, it literally woke me totally up.

I STARTED TO CRY and WEEP like a BABY, and SOBBED as "I PRAYED, LORD FORGIVE ME, PLEASE FORGIVE ME." OVER, and OVER, and OVER AGAIN. AFTER AN HOUR OR SO, THAT CRUSHING WEIGHT OF SIN, eventually pushed me PROSTRATE on the FLOOR. I KEPT CRYING as I PRAYED, "LORD FORGIVE ME, PLEASE FORGIVE ME! If you have a purpose for my life, YOU have to come into my life, and do it through me. I cannot do it, I am making a mess of my life."
Thank you Jesus.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Newsflash! YOU are a sinner, yesterday, today and all the tomorrows of the rest of your life. FACT.

The above statement is a statement of unbelief.
As soon as you suggest people are not acceptable to God, ever, you have just left the gospel.
The apostles were forgiven and cleansed, acceptable to the Father. It is why Jesus said this

3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
John 15

3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of
impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
Eph 5

12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with
compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3

The cross is about cleansing. The cleansing turned the temple in Jerusalem to the temple in
our hearts, where the Holy Spirit can dwell. The whole reason for this shift was to make us
Gods people, pure, holy, righteous, period.

The priests had to purify themselves to enter the temple to do their duties. So likewise we
need to continually purify and walk in the way of Christ to continue to abide and be the dwelling
of the Holy Spirit.

If one believes you are a sinner till the day you die, yet have perfection and holiness, this is
gnostic belief and the concept of a upgraded immortal spirit with an evil flesh.

I am happy to acknowledge some believe this, but scripture does not support it.
Paul did not believe he was immortal or perfect and yet a sinner.
 

FollowHisSteps

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No he is not God, but @Smooth can read...........IF WE say that WE have NO SIN, WE are deceived and the TRUTH is not in US
John wrote that....He wrote 5 books of the N.T., saved, immersed, an Apostle of JESUS
WE, WE, WE, US <-----he writes in the present tense and includes himself.
Funny thing.....I come into your suicide thread, make three biblical statements and you come make a mouthy remark about people coming in a thread and just running their mouth....
You are one of the most self righteous hypocrites this site has seen in a long time...........
I never realised how sensitive David is to any criticism. It is like a legalist on steriods, while denying
they are a legalist.

Yes we admit we have sinned in the past, and by Gods grace not in the future, but we are cleansed and
forgiven by the blood of Christ and the cross, not as a one off, but as a continual abiding and cleansing
as we walk and if we stumble, restored and continuing.

But immortals are sinners the whole of their lives, and never cleansed. This is why it is a state of unbelief
in the cross and Jesus's forgiveness. We are righteous by faith, not as a covering over a rotten existence,
but literally as a reality in life today. And this is not a righteousness separate from Christ, but a righteousness
because He abides, directs and fills our existence. God bless you
 

FollowHisSteps

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It is clear to me these immortals do not read what is written or even accept their faith view as is
different from our faith view. They can say I am wrong, but declaring I can never be cleansed from
sin is a fact and not a statement of faith, is simply not true.

11 "Go, and from now on do not sin any more"
John 8

13 "Don’t sin any more, lest anything worse happen to you"
John 5

11 And he must turn away from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous and his ears are open to their prayer.
But the Lord’s face is against those who do evil.
13 For who is going to harm you if you are devoted to what is good
1 Peter 3

Doing good is our calling and the path. Evil is to by turned away from and left behind.
Clearly gnostics deny this is possible, just a pipe dream, a delusion of hypocrites and the
self righteous.

But as I repeat this is a position of working faith, which clearly some do not have.
If their faith cannot and has not taken them to this place through the cross I cannot
deny their reality, but I know Jesus and His ways and rejoice in the love I now walk in, Amen
 

Smooth

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I made response to Smooth who is passing judgement on another believer! I am washed in the Blood of The Lamb( God's only begotten Son,Jesus) ! The sins of my life before I knew Christ are forgiven. I answer to Him if I commit sins in my walk with Him now,by conviction of the Holy Spirit,I repent and confess those before Him! We all must put off our own righteousness and put on His righteousness! People who are always judging others not in love for love is of reproof and correction! Judgement is God's calling not ours! The ppl here do not try and build up nor encourage,they are to busy mocking,scoffing degrading,and tearing down others! I do not care what others opinions are of me,I know my stand in God. If it soothes the ego of some that more than once has called me a hypocrite ,so be it! I see NO LOVE in dc,none ever expressed in what his arrogant self has to say! God will be the judge! Please if you are in dc possee do not address me again!
I wasn’t passing judgment on anyone. I was simply stating a biblical fact that we are all sinners. Do you understand that everyone sins?
 

FollowHisSteps

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Ironic legalism

Some here believe to follow Jesus all man made rules must be followed or it is sin.
They will say, a rule by man, is as powerful and important as rules set down by God.

Unfortunately man made laws are to allow the police to stop behaviour and physically
remove people from situation using force which would others by call assault.

In reality people break these rules constantly and modify their behaviour within the
region of the limits. Speeding is a typical one. It is not a sin to speed, you will be
fined and have penalty points if caught, and it is best for road safety to keep by the
limits but that is the interplay. Lives are saved by slower speeds and better driving.

Another is where and how you can share faith. There is good reason why people are
vulnerable to others sharing what they believe while they can do nothing in response.
This is exploitation and causes great upset to some, so should be done with great care.

Smoking weed, dissing good honest loving people is no problem, saying some are going
to hell because they love Gods word and His ways and His love, is also not an issue.

Now it is interesting how lopsided this behaviour is. Real evil and understanding is source
in the heart, working through pains and assumptions about others, realising the world is
very different than we thing, are just irrelevant. But then real love and empathy, seeing
change and restitution is a step to far, just defend the faith against the evil deceivers.
 

Smooth

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Newsflash! YOU are a sinner, yesterday, today and all the tomorrows of the rest of your life. FACT.

The above statement is a statement of unbelief.
As soon as you suggest people are not acceptable to God, ever, you have just left the gospel.
The apostles were forgiven and cleansed, acceptable to the Father. It is why Jesus said this

3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
John 15

3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of
impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
Eph 5

12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with
compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3

The cross is about cleansing. The cleansing turned the temple in Jerusalem to the temple in
our hearts, where the Holy Spirit can dwell. The whole reason for this shift was to make us
Gods people, pure, holy, righteous, period.

The priests had to purify themselves to enter the temple to do their duties. So likewise we
need to continually purify and walk in the way of Christ to continue to abide and be the dwelling
of the Holy Spirit.

If one believes you are a sinner till the day you die, yet have perfection and holiness, this is
gnostic belief and the concept of a upgraded immortal spirit with an evil flesh.

I am happy to acknowledge some believe this, but scripture does not support it.
Paul did not believe he was immortal or perfect and yet a sinner.
I never said you are unacceptable to God. What I said is, you are a sinner. Everyone is a sinner, and you are no different than anyone else. You should rejoice that you are not perfect, for there is great rejoicing in Heaven for lost sinners who are found.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Do you understand that everyone sins?

At the core of this statement is was is sin. If sins are actions, then a cleansed, Holy follower of Jesus
does not have to sin, and can walk righteously in obedience to love.

Some believe we have innate sin, inherited from Adam which has been suggested is sexual desire.
Now our hearts are the root source of things that defile us, make us unclean, which Jesus calls us
to purify and cleanse. Some suggest this is impossible and their hearts are shut off from God.

Bit difficult if we are to love God with all our heart, strength and mind. No shutting out allowed.
So if one wants to be honest, this question is not as simple or clear cut as people suggest.

Paul described his walk like this

10 You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
1 Thess 2

12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but
now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
14> Do everything without complaining or arguing,
15> so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked
and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe
Phil 2

One member joked that it is a pipe dread to become blameless and pure.
But that is saying Paul was proposing a pipe dream to us disciples which there is no point following
because it is impossible. But Paul wrote what was achievable, which is why he wrote it.

What is apparent those who believe no one can be holy, righteous and blameless, are really declaring
Paul was asking people to witness to a lie about his behaviour, which makes zero sense at all.
Paul is saying we were like this, so literally it is possible, so believe it to be true, Amen.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I never said you are unacceptable to God. What I said is, you are a sinner. Everyone is a sinner, and you are no different than anyone else. You should rejoice that you are not perfect, for there is great rejoicing in Heaven for lost sinners who are found.
I am saying sinners are not acceptable to God, they are under His judgement for sin, and will be
thrown into the lake of fire.

A gnostic will always admit they are acceptable to God because of their perfect immortal spirit,
though their flesh sins, but this is not a christian belief system, ever.

As a gnostic I can accept your world view, but to claim we are the same following the same Christ
and bible is simply not true. I am not an immortal spirit or despise Gods Holiness.

Rather I acknowledge the need to dwell in Christ and His words and love in our hearts to be in
eternal life or we are outside the words of promise.

Unfortunately it is easy to use christian language to obscure an evil walk that is acceptable to God,
sin unresolved, confessed and repented of as something He condones or preaches.
As I have said a murderer is only acceptable as redeemed and repented of murderer or else they
need to be restrained or executed. We have no comprise in Christ over this, plain and simple.
 
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I have NO desire to throw them out! We must season our speech with love,this isn't done by mockery,name calling not degrading another person!
Blah blah blah....

Do you know JESUS.....obviously not --->White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men, Blind leaders of the blind, Hypocrites just to name three.........

How about Elijah....obviously not-----> Maybe your god slumbereth or is on a journey.......

How about John....obviously not------->You generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee the coming wrath....



I guess the above three had no love hey when they done the above?
You just judged the above three by your post and your nothing more than a mouthy hypocrite...end of story!
 

FollowHisSteps

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AMEN......My bible is clear.....JESUS begins, finishes and COMPLETES the work of faith in us....SALVATION losers, by their stance are calling JESUS a liar........
By your immortal spirit, sinning flesh preaching of acceptable before God you are
calling Jesus a liar.

As you cannot have an immortal spirit, all you have is a sinning behaviour under
judgement as declared by Gods word. Without faith and repentance there is no
cleansing or Holiness or Acceptability because one is just an evil doer, to which
Jesus responds "I never knew you, evil doer."
 

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I am saying sinners are not acceptable to God, they are under His judgement for sin, and will be
thrown into the lake of fire.

A gnostic will always admit they are acceptable to God because of their perfect immortal spirit,
though their flesh sins, but this is not a christian belief system, ever.

As a gnostic I can accept your world view, but to claim we are the same following the same Christ
and bible is simply not true. I am not an immortal spirit or despise Gods Holiness.

Rather I acknowledge the need to dwell in Christ and His words and love in our hearts to be in
eternal life or we are outside the words of promise.

Unfortunately it is easy to use christian language to obscure an evil walk that is acceptable to God,
sin unresolved, confessed and repented of as something He condones or preaches.
As I have said a murderer is only acceptable as redeemed and repented of murderer or else they
need to be restrained or executed. We have no comprise in Christ over this, plain and simple.
John 5:24 refutes your misguided views.
 

Smooth

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Do you understand that everyone sins?

At the core of this statement is was is sin. If sins are actions, then a cleansed, Holy follower of Jesus
does not have to sin, and can walk righteously in obedience to love.
You’re a sinner; to say otherwise is to call God a liar. Good luck with that one.