Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Seriously?

Every response an argument for the sake of argument,

AMEN, double, triple amen.....it is IMPOSSIBLE to engage HIM......HE twists everything so far out of whack that he could not even work as a quality control specialist for a pretzel factory because they would be over twisted......

I have never in my life seen anyone do what he does to the word of God and what other people say......and he has been doing this from day ONE on this site.........

 

[Macabeus]

James 2 is all about "head knowledge" verses saving faith. FAITH that comes from God NEVER becomes inoperative.

So what is Paul talking about in Ephesians 2 when he said you were dead...and made alive?

 

[Melach]

So what is Paul talking about in Ephesians 2 when he said you were dead...and made alive?

are you typing this from your phone in church? pay attention to sermon man!

 

[dcontroversal]

I disagree

And I can make a good case...stay tuned!

Hilarious.............qualify it with EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE......what do they believe?

James is the first book I had to study through in Seminary.............it will be very difficult to prove my Northern friend HAHAH

 

[Macabeus]

AMEN, double, triple amen.....it is IMPOSSIBLE to engage HIM......HE twists everything so far out of whack that he could not even work as a quality control specialist for a pretzel factory because they would be over twisted......

I have never in my life seen anyone do what he does to the word of God and what other people say......and he has been doing this from day ONE on this site.........

Attack the argument, not the person.

I have not attacked you. Only your arguments. You and UG cannot refute my arguments, so you attack me my person

Nowhere does the Bible say faith by itself dammsaves us. That like a man electrical plug not plugged into the wall if God’s power is excluded

 

[Macabeus]

are you typing this from your phone in church? pay attention to sermon man!

Nope. Havent left yet. Drinking my coffee. Yum

 

[dcontroversal]

IMO, there is a difference in saying faith alone and faith in Christ alone for salvation. The power of God unto salvation is the Gospel of Christ to those who will respond to him in belief/trust. The object of faith in Christ for our salvation.

God bless.

I have no problem saying faith alone is what saves a man......it is a given that I am talking about faith INTO CHRIST and his work....the same faith GIFTED to men in measure....the same faith that JESUS begins, finishes and completes........

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

 

[dcontroversal]

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We don't offer grace to OURSELVES so "and that not of YOURSELVES" is talking about FAITH. FAITH is a GIFT of God.

Mac the bible is written to promote every heresy there ever has been. That's why I PUSH the KJV, because EVERY SINGLE WORD MATTERS.

Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

You're looking for WORKS and the bible KNOWS THAT and it is DECIEVEING you so that you can HAVE exactly what YOU are looking for.

Bible translators are just like YOU, they come to the word with PRECONCEIVED IDEAS and the word of God KNOWS THAT and DECIEVES them.

The only way around that deception is for GOD to INSPIRE the TRANSLATION.

Exactly.....that not of yourselves is directed at the faith which saves....the same faith gifted and dealt to men in measure, the same faith JESUS begins, finishes and completes...…...the same faith the following woman has....

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

 

[Macabeus]

IMO, there is a difference in saying faith alone and faith in Christ alone for salvation. The power of God unto salvation is the Gospel of Christ to those who will respond to him in belief/trust. The object of faith in Christ for our salvation.

God bless.

You are correct. Enormous difference. Which is my point

 

[Melach]

Exactly.....that not of yourselves is directed at the faith which saves....the same faith gifted and dealt to men in measure, the same faith JESUS begins, finishes and completes...…...the same faith the following woman has....

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

but if the faith is not of ourselves and is just gift from God. why do we even try to preach the gospel? its in God's hands then some He gives the gift some not.

sounds too much like calvinism to me

i think we have to believe ourself. i think the gift is God's grace the gospel given to us. and then we have to receive the gift by faith. do you agree with that?

 

[Macabeus]

I have no problem saying faith alone is what saves a man......it is a given that I am talking about faith INTO CHRIST and his work....the same faith GIFTED to men in measure....the same faith that JESUS begins, finishes and completes........

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

Grace saves.

So the woman’s faith ALONE saved her? Power of positive thinking or power of God?

 

[dcontroversal]

but if the faith is not of ourselves and is just gift from God. why do we even try to preach the gospel? its in God's hands then some He gives the gift some not.

sounds too much like calvinism to me

i think we have to believe ourself. i think the gift is God's grace the gospel given to us. and then we have to receive the gift by faith. do you agree with that?

Not like that at all...…...think on this....

ALMOST thou persuades me to be a Christian

MANY are CALLED but FEW chosen

MANY does not equal ALL
AND
FEW of the MANY called is even less

THE wicked go astray from the womb

AND we have all (probably) witnessed to some that we could see the conviction by their response and yet they failed to acknowledge in faith.....

MY view.....GOD is just and fair....the bible states that JESUS paid for the sins of the whole world, day unto day and night unto night testifies in every known language, even the invisible testifies, God would have ALL men to be saved and come to the truth, but he is fully aware that MEN love darkness and will not come to the light.....HE, based upon foreknowledge, calls whom he wills and deals unto them a measure of faith.....BUT man must ACT on that faith and confess that faith in order to be saved......

THIS IS NOT SAYING MAN X will be saved and MAN Z is just outta luck.......IT is open to all, but he will ONLY SAVE those that confess belief into HIS SON....<----AS FAR as the predetermined will of GOD-->HE predetermined BEFORE he cast down the world that ALL who come to HIM through his SON IN FAITH will BE received as HIS CHILDREN.......

 

[dcontroversal]

Attack the argument, not the person.

I have not attacked you. Only your arguments. You and UG cannot refute my arguments, so you attack me my person

Nowhere does the Bible say faith by itself dammsaves us. That like a man electrical plug not plugged into the wall if God’s power is excluded

AND YET again your refuse truth...…...done with you man.....an utter waste of my time to engage you
And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

 

[KJV1611]

So what is Paul talking about in Ephesians 2 when he said you were dead...and made alive?

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I'm willing to go step by step on this if you are.

What does DEAD IN SINS mean?
I say it means that we are still in our sins, under the law and do not have life - ETERNAL LIFE.
Anyone who is not saved is dead, it's just a matter of time before it is manifested.
Anyone who is saved IS NOT dead, we have entered into ETERNAL LIFE.

 

[Melach]

Not like that at all...…...think on this....

ALMOST thou persuades me to be a Christian

MANY are CALLED but FEW chosen

MANY does not equal ALL
AND
FEW of the MANY called is even less

THE wicked go astray from the womb

AND we have all (probably) witnessed to some that we could see the conviction by their response and yet they failed to acknowledge in faith.....

MY view.....GOD is just and fair....the bible states that JESUS paid for the sins of the whole world, day unto day and night unto night testifies in every known language, even the invisible testifies, God would have ALL men to be saved and come to the truth, but he is fully aware that MEN love darkness and will not come to the light.....HE, based upon foreknowledge, calls whom he wills and deals unto them a measure of faith.....BUT man must ACT on that faith and confess that faith in order to be saved......

THIS IS NOT SAYING MAN X will be saved and MAN Z is just outta luck.......IT is open to all, but he will ONLY SAVE those that confess belief into HIS SON....<----AS FAR as the predetermined will of GOD-->HE predetermined BEFORE he cast down the world that ALL who come to HIM through his SON IN FAITH will BE received as HIS CHILDREN.......

thats what i think is good.

 

[dcontroversal]

Grace saves.

So the woman’s faith ALONE saved her? Power of positive thinking or power of God?

This is why I cannot logically engage you....You cannot see past your own nose...…..and the BOLDED PROVES YOU DO NOT READ WHAT I WRITE and or are HONEST with what I WRITE

 

[KJV1611]

AND YET again your refuse truth...…...done with you man.....an utter waste of my time to engage you
And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

Don't give up DC. This is like deprogramming a person who has been brainwashed.... It takes a lot to get them out. I suffered with the same thing dealing with dispensationalism. It took a long time for me to come out of it.

And not only that, OTHER people need to see what you are saying about grace.

 

[Melach]

Don't give up DC. This is like deprogramming a person who has been brainwashed.... It takes a lot to get them out. I suffered with the same thing dealing with dispensationalism. It took a long time for me to come out of it.

And not only that, OTHER people need to see what you are saying about grace.

why you say that? im dispensationalist i think. all pastors i listen to are. i think they have best sermons

whats wrong with dispensationalism?

 

[dcontroversal]

Don't give up DC. This is like deprogramming a person who has been brainwashed.... It takes a lot to get them out. I suffered with the same thing dealing with dispensationalism. It took a long time for me to come out of it.

And not only that, OTHER people need to see what you are saying about grace.

One of the biggest eye openers for me was a complete study of grace and how the bible points to it as being a POSITION that believers are placed into by faith........it directly opposes the positioning of wrath that unbelievers are currently placed under.........

Romans 5.....IN the GRACE wherein we NOW STAND <----STANDING IN GRACE by faith........and then the literal translation of Ephesians 2 and how it clearly states IN THE GRACE YOU ARE <-----having been saved out of faith <--this is past tense and of course the phrase...and that NOT of yourselves is directed at the faith that SAVES and it being a GIFT......

THIS is ABSOLUTE proof of eternal security from not only the GREEK but the verse itself.......

THE calling and gifts of GOD are IRREVOCABLE........HE DOES NOT take BACK that which HE GIVES....and NOTE it is even directed at the CALLING OF GOD.....this is a deep TRUTH..........

 

[Macabeus]

Take it up with JESUS.....he trumps your view every time...

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

He did not say faith alone saved you.

If I flip a switch and a light goes on, did the switch produce the light by itself

Hoe do I turn the light on?

Flip the switch

Wow. The switch did it all by itself