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EleventhHour

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dcontroversal said:
You really must be either dense, blind or just flat ignorant of the fact that blasphemy of the Spirit is to REJECT CHRIST by faith and accuse his work of being by the power of the devil....

Man....go back to Sunday School and start over with salvation, because you are fast becoming the new cake taker on this site and one that by word proves that you do not know the bible.
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Perhaps not so "new" though :unsure:
 
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EleventhHour said:
When people state we must "perform" "do" to keep salvation then they are really just legalists.

They are in essence refuting "under grace."
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Perfectly stated. And your post reminds me of a wonderful sister in Christ we have here on CC named UnderGrace.
 
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VCO said:
Yeah, I used to have over 500 Cassette tapes of sermons that I listened to at least 4 times each, and probably 80 percent were by John MacArthur. I can confirm that He teaches that GOD is able to save forever,” or “to the uttermost.”
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That is on a 7.5 MINUTE video! It was a question and answer Video and was a DYNAMITE response to her.
 
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EleventhHour

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Lightskin said:
Perfectly stated. And your post reminds me of a wonderful sister in Christ we have here on CC named UnderGrace.
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Well I can say this... being "under grace" is freedom, rest, liberty and the only position from where we can love and serve... this the workers and law keepers cannot understand sadly.
 
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That is on a 7.5 MINUTE video! It was a question and answer Video and was a DYNAMITE response to her.
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If you like his ideas that is up to you....but I am not in agreement with what he states sometimes.

Like this one.......

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purest joy in the Christian life comes
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when we are obeying him loving him
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serving him worshiping him that's when
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we enjoyed the most assurance security

My assurance comes not from my behavior, but from the objective truth of Christ's spoken promises and from knowing/being persuaded of what Christ Jesus accomplished on my behalf and that it is a complete/finished work. Nothing to add.
 
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It is our failour we need to be careful about. We can easily be enticed away.
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Dude, You failed already. You will never Meet Gods standard, you will always fall short of Gods glory.

That fact you can not comprehend this just shows where your true faith lies

And it’s NOT in christ

that should tell you and everyone else all they need to know about you
 
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Practice what you preach and read the verse to its conclusion "whose end is to be burned."

The errors that are made dismay me. Worse still, I do not believe it is done in ignorance.
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Yes,

And as I showed in corinthians and the bema seat judgment, All our works will be tried by fire. And some will have all burned.

Near. You ignore the word near.(near to being cursed) context escapes you as it does mot of your interpretations

They are not cursed

The cursed will go to hell

the near to being cursed will be saved even as through fire

your dangerous my friend,
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I can say what the author says

7. For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

you people love to take verses out of context and demand it proves your right. here is ample proof.
IF the earth bring forth thorns and briars (instead of useful herbs) it is NEAR to being cursed.

NEAR means they are not totally cursed, they are near To the point of being cursed.

just like Paul said to the corinthian church, where our works will be tried by fire, even those who have nothing to show but wood hay and straw are still saved, although through fire, with no reward. Near to being cursed.

even in your passage,

IF they fall away,

it does not say they DID fall away, it says IFThey fall away (if can mean if it were possible) and what is the authors response. they can never be renewed to repentance. It’s over, there is no saved not saved saved not saved state like you all love to push, he was arguing against going back to lW.which states when you sin, you are guilty, you are ina lost state, until animal sacrifice redeems you of that sin, and the one big sacrifice at the end redeems all your sins know and unknown, Ie, you have to be renewed to repentance.

thus saying you can lose salvation, as your preaching, PUTS JESUS TO SHAME! Ie, his sacrifice was not sufficient.

this is PROVEN by the fact this same author says by one sacrifice he has PERFECTED forever, those being sanctified.

the autho did not contradict himself,

you people make the Bible a book of contradictions, not fit to be brought into a gods house, because you make it abi le of contradictions,

thats sad!
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Like I said.....neither he or his pal have trusted Jesus by faith....they are earning their way with the plenteous in number "Many" that come before the throne boasting of all they have done in the name of JESUS....bad day coming for them all
 
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The work in progress is ongoing sanctification and not justification. There are 3 tenses to salvation. 1. We "have been" (past tense with ongoing present results) saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification) 2. We are "being saved" (present tense) from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification) 3. We "will be" saved (future tense) from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification) We need to be sure that we do not mix these tenses up. Otherwise we end up teaching salvation by works.
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AMEN bro.....this is akin of trying to explain Algebra to a 3 year old.....they will not, or cannot grasp it until they take the religious blinders off and actually trust JESUS by faith.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Dude, You failed already. You will never Meet Gods standard, you will always fall short of Gods glory.

That fact you can not comprehend this just shows where your true faith lies

And it’s NOT in christ

that should tell you and everyone else all they need to know about you
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AMEN.......like I said before...

JESUS <---The beginner, finisher and completer of our faith and he keeps us by his power through said faith and even if WE BELIEVE NOT AFTER FAITH, he remains faithful because he cannot deny himself.....

PS and HIS BUDDY <---they are the finisher and completer of their faith which is in self effort and NOT JESUS........
 
dcontroversal

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes,

And as I showed in corinthians and the bema seat judgment, All our works will be tried by fire. And some will have all burned.

Near. You ignore the word near.(near to being cursed) context escapes you as it does mot of your interpretations

They are not cursed

The cursed will go to hell

the near to being cursed will be saved even as through fire

your dangerous my friend,
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His false cainologist dogma is not inspired or biblical........which leaves only one other source.....
 
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Melach said:
i dont believe that. i believe the truly saved with continue in the faith. so i dont care what they believe =)
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Both of these stooges we are engaging absolutely call JESUS and PAUL liars by what they post. My bible is clear....JESUS FINISHES and COMPLETES the work of faith in us, keeps us by his power, will lose nothing, never leaves or forsakes us, will leave the 99 to find us if we wander off, and gives us the GIFT of eternal life which is NOT revocable.....
 
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Melach said:
i enjoy low-carbs too. i lost 10kilograms and im feeling really light now. i wont lose anymore i will start trying to add more muscle weight now to get back in army time shape.

im 180cm and 73kg now
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Me.....181 cm and stay right at 84kg........about my Marine Corp weight from the 80's
 
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Rosemaryx said:
I was wondering the same...
What happens to those whom God saves on their deathbed who only have minutes to live?
...xox...
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Salvation is a one off event, given eternally and irrevocably at the moment of faith....ALL that think they help earn it are deceived, foolish and will make the "MANY GROUPING" that JESUS rejects and removes from his presence.....
 
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