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Phoneman-777

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Isn't it great to look back with a full bible..The error is assuming stuff from this vantage.
Conclusion and assumption are two diff things. When Paul says "that Rock was Christ" at the time of the Exodus, any thinking person will conclude the God of the OT was Jesus Christ.

Now, claiming that same God has a different set of salvific rules and expectations for as many dispensational periods as the human imagination can call forth: now that, friend, is the concept of "assumption" perfected.
 

throughfaith

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Just because they didn't fully understand the details of how God was going to bring the Plan of Salvation to fruition doesn't mean they were not able to understand the basic premise of it and avail themselves to it, right or wrong?
My first point still stands .
 
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In MY opinion!
Wow!
This thread is full of adult BULLIES,of which E.G. and VCO seem to be the leaders since apparently the bIg kahona has been banned. Like protesters you all are carrying around "home-made" signs saying my BELIEF is the right one and yours is wrong. Come on folks,this is just another " social media" and you only appear to have your opinion. We all have doses of self- righteousness,ALL!
We should let Jesus decide whom are his followers for he promised eternal life to those that endure to the END( DEATH!)
 

throughfaith

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Conclusion and assumption are two diff things. When Paul says "that Rock was Christ" at the time of the Exodus, any thinking person will conclude the God of the OT was Jesus Christ.

Now, claiming that same God has a different set of salvific rules and expectations for as many dispensational periods as the human imagination can call forth: now that, friend, is the concept of "assumption" perfected.
My expectation wasn't to build an Ark or offer up my son .
 

throughfaith

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In MY opinion!
Wow!
This thread is full of adult BULLIES,of which E.G. and VCO seem to be the leaders since apparently the bIg kahona has been banned. Like protesters you all are carrying around "home-made" signs saying my BELIEF is the right one and yours is wrong. Come on folks,this is just another " social media" and you only appear to have your opinion. We all have doses of self- righteousness,ALL!
We should let Jesus decide whom are his followers for he promised eternal life to those that endure to the END( DEATH!)
Your last point is wrong however. Those in the tribulation have to endure to the end .
 
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In MY opinion!
Wow!
This thread is full of adult BULLIES,of which E.G. and VCO seem to be the leaders since apparently the bIg kahona has been banned. Like protesters you all are carrying around "home-made" signs saying my BELIEF is the right one and yours is wrong. Come on folks,this is just another " social media" and you only appear to have your opinion. We all have doses of self- righteousness,ALL!
We should let Jesus decide whom are his followers for he promised eternal life to those that endure to the END( DEATH!)
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let me guess, you think salvation must be earned, that we come to God in faith but must work hard to maintain that salvation?

what I hate is those who slander and attack others because it’s all they have, I guess since they agree like you it’s ok to break Gods commands as long as you attack those who you disagree with?

get real man.
 

gb9

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If the pecan tree stops producing, should that be cause for concern as to whether the tree is dying or dead, or should we look at the tag that says "Pecan tree" and confidently go on about our way --- in the same way a person who practices deliberate, habitual, known sin periodically looks at his OSAS License to Sin and confidently goes on about his way?

BTW, you avoided the issue: you said we claim Christians "MUST" do good works as evidence for salvation - an by one word you unfairly comingled "compulsion" with our position - and I corrected you by stating our position is that Christians naturally produce good works as evidence they are saved just as an apple tree produces apples -- by force of nature, not compulsion.

This is a prime example of how the lie can be made to so closely resemble the truth so that it is almost indistinguishable. Praise God, He gives those who love the truth the ability to discern between the two.
well, by using that logic, my tree produced not much good nuts the last 3 years, then this year, a bumper crop.

using your thought process, i would have cut it down, and missed the great year.

so, a few bad seasons did not mean the tree was non-bearing, it meant that it was still a pecan tree having some bad seasons.

in the same vain, ( which you wrongly think) a Christian going through bad seasons is still a Christian as long as believe.
 

VCO

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I've done plenty of Discussions on here and engaged on how Calvinism is a false system . On all 5 points . The rot of its 'perseverance of the saints, no matter how its dressed up and couched in 'virtue signalling 'is essentially insecurity for the believer. John Piper does a great Job of explaining . This is the main area I pulled away from reformed theology. Because I looked into the P . the T U L I next . There's no gospel in Calvinism ( good news ) Do you believe you have to endure to the end to be saved ?

You are not spewing Gospel, but something ELSE.

1 John 5:18 (ESV)
18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.

James 2:9 (NCV)
9 But if you treat one person as being more important than another, you are sinning. You are guilty of breaking God’s law.

James 4:17 (NCV)
17 Anyone who knows the right thing to do, but does not do it, is sinning.

Proverbs 13:10 (NCV)
10 Pride only leads to arguments, but those who take advice are wise.

Ephesians 5:6 (HCSB)
6 Let no one deceive you with empty arguments, for God’s wrath is coming on the disobedient because of these things.

1 Timothy 6:3-6 (HCSB)
3 If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness,
4 he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions,
5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is a great gain.

1 Timothy 6:20 (NASB)
20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge"—

1 Timothy 2:8 (NCV)
8 So, I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up their hands in a holy manner, without anger and arguments.

1 Timothy 6:20 (NCV)
20 Timothy, guard what God has trusted to you. Stay away from foolish, useless talk and from the arguments of what is falsely called “knowledge.“

1 Timothy 6:20-21 (NIV)
20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
21 which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you.

Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.


Now you have been officially warned for quarrels and disputes. You not only realish agruing, but YOU MAJOR in it. IT IS SIN!
 
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Your last point is wrong however. Those in the tribulation have to endure to the end .






What is the end here?( In this earthly life) Is it not death,as to give up the ghost,stop breathing?
I do not plan on being in the trib.,but even those they will have to endure to the end of their life. Even in a translated state,the body dies,for flesh cannot enter heaven for God is a spirit.
 

throughfaith

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You are not spewing Gospel, but something ELSE.

1 John 5:18 (ESV)
18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.

James 2:9 (NCV)
9 But if you treat one person as being more important than another, you are sinning. You are guilty of breaking God’s law.

James 4:17 (NCV)
17 Anyone who knows the right thing to do, but does not do it, is sinning.

Proverbs 13:10 (NCV)
10 Pride only leads to arguments, but those who take advice are wise.

Ephesians 5:6 (HCSB)
6 Let no one deceive you with empty arguments, for God’s wrath is coming on the disobedient because of these things.

1 Timothy 6:3-6 (HCSB)
3 If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness,
4 he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions,
5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is a great gain.

1 Timothy 6:20 (NASB)
20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge"—

1 Timothy 2:8 (NCV)
8 So, I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up their hands in a holy manner, without anger and arguments.

1 Timothy 6:20 (NCV)
20 Timothy, guard what God has trusted to you. Stay away from foolish, useless talk and from the arguments of what is falsely called “knowledge.“

1 Timothy 6:20-21 (NIV)
20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
21 which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you.

Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.


Now you have been officially warned for quarrels and disputes. You not only realish agruing, but YOU MAJOR in it. IT IS SIN!
Quite a mixture of them modern translations you have there . Pic n mix ?
 

throughfaith

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What is the end here?( In this earthly life) Is it not death,as to give up the ghost,stop breathing?
I do not plan on being in the trib.,but even those they will have to endure to the end of their life. Even in a translated state,the body dies,for flesh cannot enter heaven for God is a spirit.
What does it say ?
 
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let me guess, you think salvation must be earned, that we come to God in faith but must work hard to maintain that salvation?

what I hate is those who slander and attack others because it’s all they have, I guess since they agree like you it’s ok to break Gods commands as long as you attack those who you disagree with?

get real man.





Wee man,you are ridiculous. You holler you are like the shameful tax collector beating your chest in remorse crying gallons of tears. You really are more like the pharisee saying "I'm small and weak save me, but look at that bloated goat and his opinion"
 

throughfaith

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You are not spewing Gospel, but something ELSE.

1 John 5:18 (ESV)
18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.

James 2:9 (NCV)
9 But if you treat one person as being more important than another, you are sinning. You are guilty of breaking God’s law.

James 4:17 (NCV)
17 Anyone who knows the right thing to do, but does not do it, is sinning.

Proverbs 13:10 (NCV)
10 Pride only leads to arguments, but those who take advice are wise.

Ephesians 5:6 (HCSB)
6 Let no one deceive you with empty arguments, for God’s wrath is coming on the disobedient because of these things.

1 Timothy 6:3-6 (HCSB)
3 If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness,
4 he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions,
5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is a great gain.

1 Timothy 6:20 (NASB)
20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge"—

1 Timothy 2:8 (NCV)
8 So, I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up their hands in a holy manner, without anger and arguments.

1 Timothy 6:20 (NCV)
20 Timothy, guard what God has trusted to you. Stay away from foolish, useless talk and from the arguments of what is falsely called “knowledge.“

1 Timothy 6:20-21 (NIV)
20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
21 which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you.

Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.


Now you have been officially warned for quarrels and disputes. You not only realish agruing, but YOU MAJOR in it. IT IS SIN!
We can sum up the issue with your little list of cherry picked ' proof texts , from your assortment of different translations ( red flag ) with three words . ' Context , context, context.
 
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I do not believe you can work for your salvation,it is a free gift,offered by a Creator who loves his creation and wants to spare them his final judgment! I believe if we sin after salvation we must repent of said sin. His works project through us as we follow him in surrender and obedience to his word! We owe him,he doesn't owe us. The bill is to imitate Jesus in imitating the Father! As has been stated this is a FORWARDING journey,no looking back or you're NOT fit for the kingdom!
 
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Wee man,you are ridiculous. You holler you are like the shameful tax collector beating your chest in remorse crying gallons of tears. You really are more like the pharisee saying "I'm small and weak save me, but look at that bloated goat and his opinion"
Lol
I am holier than no one. I am a sinner saved by grace. My salvation is based upon God and his promise of eternal life not how Good I can be. Which no matter how good that will be will not be enough
anyway. Thank you for exposing yourself. good day
 
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Lol
I am holier than no one. I am a sinner saved by grace. My salvation is based upon God and his promise of eternal life not how Good I can be. Which no matter how good that will be will not be enough
anyway. Thank you for exposing yourself. good day





You mean exposing E.G.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
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See anyone can be mean or a bully but it pains me so," I'm sorry for calling you a toad"!