Not By Works

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BillG

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For we are saved by hope: Rom 8:24

Hope begins with believing and ends with hearing.

but hope that is seen is not hope: Rom 8:24

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God.

for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

and they that hear shall live. John 5:25
We are saved by grace through faith.
 

BillG

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I also said they claim to be saved.
You said per the below

We are not saved by works but if we are truly saved we will have Godly works. So anyone claiming to be saved but has no Godly works it is acceptable to believe that person isn't truly saved.

No one truly saved can refuse giving their Testimony, giving of themselves to Godly purposes, sharing Jesus to others, feeding the hungry, clothing the needy, helping the widow.
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If you are able to reject any or all of those Godly works then it's acceptable to believe you are not saved.

But you are saying and claiming that it’s acceptable to believe they are not saved.
 

BillG

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At the throne of judgement Jesus will judge who lives for eternity and those who don’t.

He will also judge the works of believers and they will be with him for ever even if through the fire.
 

lrs68

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You said per the below

We are not saved by works but if we are truly saved we will have Godly works. So anyone claiming to be saved but has no Godly works it is acceptable to believe that person isn't truly saved.

No one truly saved can refuse giving their Testimony, giving of themselves to Godly purposes, sharing Jesus to others, feeding the hungry, clothing the needy, helping the widow.
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If you are able to reject any or all of those Godly works then it's acceptable to believe you are not saved.

But you are saying and claiming that it’s acceptable to believe they are not saved.
Do you think Abraham refused to share his beliefs in God or king David, or the Prophets or Apostles?

Throughout the entire Bible we see anyone who believes in God or saved had works and Testimonials.

Do you think because we're 2,000 years after the Bible was written we don't have to resemble how people did it in the Bible?
 

BillG

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Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:1

So what is your evidence?
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
 

BillG

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Do you think Abraham refused to share his beliefs in God or king David, or the Prophets or Apostles?

Throughout the entire Bible we see anyone who believes in God or saved had works and Testimonials.

Do you think because we're 2,000 years after the Bible was written we don't have to resemble how people did it in the Bible?
Don’t dodge
 

Magenta

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Hope begins with believing and ends with hearing.
Scripture says believing comes from hearing (see Romans 10 verse 17).


Romans 10 verses 13-15 ~ Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of Whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
:)
 

lrs68

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So have I.

Jesus said it’s by our actions.
My beef is you assume who is and isn’t saved.
above your pay grade.
James 2:22 states that Abraham's faith was demonstrated by his actions, and his faith was made complete by his obedience.

To me, this should apply to anyone who claims to be saved.
 

BillG

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James 2:22 states that Abraham's faith was demonstrated by his actions, and his faith was made complete by his obedience.

To me, this should apply to anyone who claims to be saved.
Totally agree.
and that’s my point.
His actions demonstrated his faith and not his words.
 

HeIsHere

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James 2:22 states that Abraham's faith was demonstrated by his actions, and his faith was made complete by his obedience.

To me, this should apply to anyone who claims to be saved.
Obedience is completed in receiving the free gift of salvation.
 

BillG

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James 2:22 states that Abraham's faith was demonstrated by his actions, and his faith was made complete by his obedience.

To me, this should apply to anyone who claims to be saved.
Do you assume whi is saved and who is not?

Yes or no is suffice.
 

lrs68

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I never said you did.
You have come across as saying that we verbally have to give a testimony.
If I claim to be saved I typically would be saying it to someone listening to me talk.

If God healed me a stranger would not know that but a verbal Testimony would explain that.