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Wait....what bad things did Jimbo or Peterjens say about me? I thought they loved me?
Did I miss something?
Did it happen today? Cuz if it happened yesterday, we have already made peace.
I believe in forgiving everyone with the setting sun and forget some days other people don't practice that....even though the Bible says to not let the sun set upon your anger....
It is really for your own spiritual health to pray and forgive others every day.
I pick on you and EG sometimes but it's cuz I know y'all can take a joke and know I love ya.
I have learnt teasing and joking with some folks....not a good idea.
Did I miss something?
Did it happen today? Cuz if it happened yesterday, we have already made peace.
I believe in forgiving everyone with the setting sun and forget some days other people don't practice that....even though the Bible says to not let the sun set upon your anger....
It is really for your own spiritual health to pray and forgive others every day.
I pick on you and EG sometimes but it's cuz I know y'all can take a joke and know I love ya.
I have learnt teasing and joking with some folks....not a good idea.
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I always thought the baptism of John of repentance is when people understand how they stand condemned by the Law..,how they are dead in their sins and tresspasses and deserve death.
This leads to a heart ready to accept the Gospel of Christ and How He is their Redeemer...,this allows for a saving faith because they have godly sorrow. They now can confess with their mouths from the heart and receieve the indwelling Holy spirit baptism and seal.
This leads to a heart ready to accept the Gospel of Christ and How He is their Redeemer...,this allows for a saving faith because they have godly sorrow. They now can confess with their mouths from the heart and receieve the indwelling Holy spirit baptism and seal.
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I will try to explain how I understand this. You can take it for what its worth. Think of gravity. Everything is affected by it. A plane however can overcome gravity because of thrust and lift. Without those the plane will fall.
As long as we are focused on Christ, we are soaring the heavens or walking on water. That is what living the true Christian life is like. It is walking on water; it is impossible, but all things are possible with God. Peter did it for a short time.
Like someone said on the forum "it is not about the perfection of our walk; it is about the direction..." When David committed adultery and murder, he was still considered a man after God's heart. We are not called saints because we are perfect; we are called saints because we are forgiven. That doesn't mean we are no longer saints when we sin. God's Grace by faith gives us the thrust and lift to overcome the gravitational pull of sin, but like Peter, when we take our eyes off Christ we sink.
I hope you can understand where I am coming from. God's mercy and Grace is not a license to live in sin; It is the power to live right, but we have to deal with our old nature till we die. That is the gravity pull of sin, but we have God's grace to overcome that, but do I always overcome sin? No, like Paul said, "What I want to do I don't, and what I don't want to do, I do." The unsaved want and love the sin they do; the saints hate and don't want the sin they do. That is the big difference between the saved (Saints) and the lost (wicked)!
As long as we are focused on Christ, we are soaring the heavens or walking on water. That is what living the true Christian life is like. It is walking on water; it is impossible, but all things are possible with God. Peter did it for a short time.
Like someone said on the forum "it is not about the perfection of our walk; it is about the direction..." When David committed adultery and murder, he was still considered a man after God's heart. We are not called saints because we are perfect; we are called saints because we are forgiven. That doesn't mean we are no longer saints when we sin. God's Grace by faith gives us the thrust and lift to overcome the gravitational pull of sin, but like Peter, when we take our eyes off Christ we sink.
I hope you can understand where I am coming from. God's mercy and Grace is not a license to live in sin; It is the power to live right, but we have to deal with our old nature till we die. That is the gravity pull of sin, but we have God's grace to overcome that, but do I always overcome sin? No, like Paul said, "What I want to do I don't, and what I don't want to do, I do." The unsaved want and love the sin they do; the saints hate and don't want the sin they do. That is the big difference between the saved (Saints) and the lost (wicked)!
I'm a bit rusty on some history, but I did read about the Jesuit involvement in the counter reformation.
I think some (if not all) Lutheran churches even give out the catholic eucharist, and they teach the catholic view of transubstantiation? Interesting too is that every lutheran I've come across is also a preterist, and this view of the scriptures basically defends Rome, and hides her identity as the whore of Babylon. I think the lutheran church is one of her daughter churches.
2 Peter 2 and Jude mention ungodly men creeping in unnoticed, bringing in destructive heresies, so my thinking is this sounds like infiltration also in some of the churches.
V1-2: "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For (because/since) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death"
That bit in red is a confirmation, not a condition.
That bit in red is a confirmation, not a condition.
EG,
No time. I'm only answering two posts.
Yours is one because, once again, you accuse me of doing something I DO NOT DO.
And that is: Putting Words In People's Mouths.
Up above, highlighted, you say that for someone to lose faith, God would have to be UNtrustworhty, because, apparently you believe it is HE who keeps us in faith.
SO...
Fran said, to which you answered that I'm putting words in your mouth:
"If God forces us to have faith, how do we freely love Him?"
To which YOU replied:
"We can have faith, Then God lets us down, So we stop having faith.."
So that makes TWO TIMES that you said that you believe God cannot take away our faith because He would be...
1. UNTRUSTWORTHY
2. LETTING US DOWN
So, you see EG, YOU said we can't lose faith in God because HE would not allow us to. I was NOT putting words into your mouth.
I was asking you if God took away our free will after salvation.
I believe we retain our free will.
So if I DO lose my faith, it is MY FAULT and not God's.
YOU, OTOH, apparently believe it is God's fault because He would be untrustworthy and letting us down.
You should make an effort not to accuse me of things I do not do. Thanks.
End of story...
No time. I'm only answering two posts.
Yours is one because, once again, you accuse me of doing something I DO NOT DO.
And that is: Putting Words In People's Mouths.
Up above, highlighted, you say that for someone to lose faith, God would have to be UNtrustworhty, because, apparently you believe it is HE who keeps us in faith.
SO...
Fran said, to which you answered that I'm putting words in your mouth:
"If God forces us to have faith, how do we freely love Him?"
To which YOU replied:
"We can have faith, Then God lets us down, So we stop having faith.."
So that makes TWO TIMES that you said that you believe God cannot take away our faith because He would be...
1. UNTRUSTWORTHY
2. LETTING US DOWN
So, you see EG, YOU said we can't lose faith in God because HE would not allow us to. I was NOT putting words into your mouth.
I was asking you if God took away our free will after salvation.
I believe we retain our free will.
So if I DO lose my faith, it is MY FAULT and not God's.
YOU, OTOH, apparently believe it is God's fault because He would be untrustworthy and letting us down.
You should make an effort not to accuse me of things I do not do. Thanks.
End of story...
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Yet this man is arguing in favor of sin, It is ok if he sins, as long as it is not the pet sins these legalists love th judge (murder, adultry Porn etc etc) But his sin is ok, because he does all these works.
And then he falsly judges others of loving sin, When he has no idea what they believe about sin, But what we know is they no one teaches to love sin who believes in Grace,
And then he falsly judges others of loving sin, When he has no idea what they believe about sin, But what we know is they no one teaches to love sin who believes in Grace,
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These soothsayers are like blind men, looking for a black cat, in a dark alley at midnight...yet claiming to be of the light
Jesus asked of such as these "if that light in you be darkness, just how great is that darkness" meaning just how badly deceived are you...
Jesus asked of such as these "if that light in you be darkness, just how great is that darkness" meaning just how badly deceived are you...
Your prety decieved,
1. Thinking your righteous on your own merit
2. Thinking your works will grant forgiveness of 1 sin
3. Thinking you will ever walk in a way you have not fallen short of Gods glorious standard
4. Thinking God will save you because you do works in Jesus name
In fact, keep on going, and you will be th eone screaming about all your works, While jesus says he never knew you.
Warning - we have a spiritual malfunction in the body. Believers who condemn themselves for
sin and continue to sin are cutting themselves out of the body.
Imagine the boast before God. Lord, I need you because I sin so much, I need you to forgive me
so I can carry on sinning which drives me more to you. Does this sound familiar?
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Romans 6:1-2
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:1-2
And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:3-4
But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Rom 14:23
For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4:7
So if you live and believe something is sinful, it is sinful for you, because your faith condemns you
for doing it. If you continue in doing this behaviour, you stand under condemnation of your own
conscience, and in rebellion against the law of God.
The whole point of Jesus and the cross was to remove guilt, to remove sin, remove the stain of
judgmentalism and self condemnation and replace this with love based on the law of Christ, written
in your mind and your heart. So you should know what truly is sinful and evil and what is not.
If you get this wrong, you are not walking with Jesus but in your own construction of darkness and
self deception. Either you walk in the ways of Christ or you end in you own self condemnation hell
of failure and continual emptiness.
Paul lived with a clean conscience. The apostles talked about Jesus's blood cleansing our consciences
so that we can walk in purity and holiness.
To confess continual sinful behaviour, knowingly and without resolution is not walking in the Spirit or
in victory, it is some weird OCD self loathing and condemnation, and not seeing where unresolved and
confessed sin is distorting everything.
You need to embrace the cross and Christ acceptance of you in totality, and His commitment to help
you through in healing, in repentance and confession and in obedience to His word, even if it feels hard.
Sin distorts us, keeps us a prisoner, makes everything look wrong and until we sort it out within, through
repentance, we will see the wrong things as ok and the right things as wrong.
Blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God
Matt 5:8
sin and continue to sin are cutting themselves out of the body.
Imagine the boast before God. Lord, I need you because I sin so much, I need you to forgive me
so I can carry on sinning which drives me more to you. Does this sound familiar?
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Romans 6:1-2
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:1-2
And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:3-4
But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Rom 14:23
For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4:7
So if you live and believe something is sinful, it is sinful for you, because your faith condemns you
for doing it. If you continue in doing this behaviour, you stand under condemnation of your own
conscience, and in rebellion against the law of God.
The whole point of Jesus and the cross was to remove guilt, to remove sin, remove the stain of
judgmentalism and self condemnation and replace this with love based on the law of Christ, written
in your mind and your heart. So you should know what truly is sinful and evil and what is not.
If you get this wrong, you are not walking with Jesus but in your own construction of darkness and
self deception. Either you walk in the ways of Christ or you end in you own self condemnation hell
of failure and continual emptiness.
Paul lived with a clean conscience. The apostles talked about Jesus's blood cleansing our consciences
so that we can walk in purity and holiness.
To confess continual sinful behaviour, knowingly and without resolution is not walking in the Spirit or
in victory, it is some weird OCD self loathing and condemnation, and not seeing where unresolved and
confessed sin is distorting everything.
You need to embrace the cross and Christ acceptance of you in totality, and His commitment to help
you through in healing, in repentance and confession and in obedience to His word, even if it feels hard.
Sin distorts us, keeps us a prisoner, makes everything look wrong and until we sort it out within, through
repentance, we will see the wrong things as ok and the right things as wrong.
Blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God
Matt 5:8
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40,000 posts of vanity and arguing in favour of sin. Oh My, what an achievement of the flesh..
· 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
· 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
· 3:3 Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
(But they say none are good and all our works are as filthy rags. Its Because they despise righteous and good works, and are very jealous of those that live righteous)..
· 3:4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
· 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
· 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
· 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
· 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith……………. (they refuse to come to the light, but prefer the darkness of sin )
· 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest to all men, as their's also was.
(the manifest reality of foolishness and magic tricks (the magical transfer fables) liken to the magicians in Pharaoh’s’ court is plainly seen by those who have discernment)
· 3:10 But you have fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long-suffering, charity, patience,
· 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
· 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
· 3:3 Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
(But they say none are good and all our works are as filthy rags. Its Because they despise righteous and good works, and are very jealous of those that live righteous)..
· 3:4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
· 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
· 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
· 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
· 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith……………. (they refuse to come to the light, but prefer the darkness of sin )
· 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest to all men, as their's also was.
(the manifest reality of foolishness and magic tricks (the magical transfer fables) liken to the magicians in Pharaoh’s’ court is plainly seen by those who have discernment)
· 3:10 But you have fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long-suffering, charity, patience,
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:1-2
The above "no condemnation" only applies if you are not walking in sin.
If you condemn yourself as a sinner, you are still under condemnation and the law, or else
why are you convinced you are sinning?
This type of hypocracy and blindness is actually mind numbing, because people have lived with
self condemnation so long, it is their normal experience as if this is what it means to walk in the
Spirit.
Romans 8:1-2
The above "no condemnation" only applies if you are not walking in sin.
If you condemn yourself as a sinner, you are still under condemnation and the law, or else
why are you convinced you are sinning?
This type of hypocracy and blindness is actually mind numbing, because people have lived with
self condemnation so long, it is their normal experience as if this is what it means to walk in the
Spirit.
Here's the problem. You're focusing solely on the words "fallen from grace" and allowing them to confirm the context, while disregarding the rest of it. It's like when catholics pick all the scriptures that say "fire" and then try to make a case for "purgatory".
The bit I highlighted in red makes the context clear. "You who are seeking to be justified by law" - these are people who aren't saved, but are trying to be saved by the law. So then how can they lose something they don't yet have?
So then "you've fallen from grace" in light of the correct context is saying they have rejected grace and embraced law to save them. Just like if someone were to give me their opinion a lot, I might tell them they've fallen away from scripture.
There's a connection to other Galatians scriptures.
In Galatians 3 there's mention of baby believers trying to be sanctified by the flesh. They're trying to be made perfect by the flesh, so have become entangled in that yoke of legalism. Here in Galatians 5 it mentions non believers who are trying to be be justified by the flesh. So you have some believers trying to be sanctified by the flesh and some non believers trying to be justified by the flesh.
Verse 1-3 addresses believers - warns not to fall into the trap of being sanctified by the flesh (legalism)
Verse 4 addresses non believers - those who are trying to be justified by the flesh
Verse 5-6 addresses believers
Galatians 5:1-6: Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we (because/since we) (believers) through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love"