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Ariel82

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So if the HS doesn't convict us, then what need is there for repentance of sins?
EG and PennEd would prefer we use the word rebuke or reprove or "lovingly correct" Blue instead of convict...,apparently they don't like the imagery of prison orange or stripes....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Don't get snippy with me.. :/

I know why and how we repent. :) I believe that God does convict us, as in warns us, before we go and do something stupid. Then he convicts us afterward, as in "I warned you not to do that, and now you have the consequences".. Exactly the same way people warn us and then say, I told you so.. lol
That is rebuke, or admonish, not convict

you convict a criminal and impose a penalty for them to pay for their crime.

again, a difference in interpretation
 

Limey410v2

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Ok. Let me put it into context. I murder someone, outright, cold blooded murder,
and I come to faith. It does not matter, forgotten issue, I can go on to murder a
few more, God has forgiven me, it effects the people I murder, but I have immunity.

This is undiluted heresy and rubbish. Evil and sin has not part with the Lord and should
be dealt with.

Most in society are talking about speeding issues, white lies, not filling in tax forms correctly,
things they regard as minor, and God just accepts them as loved.

Now our sins passed are forgiven, and resolved, but we are expected to walk righteously.
To compromise on this is to compromise everything. So my question is, what sins are people
failing in, not just this junk of sin is just a done deal, and the sins we do do not matter.

That is heresy.
The question would not be about sin, the real question I think God will ask is, "did you really know me?" I would imagine if you really knew Him you wouldn't be out there killing people, seriously dude!
 
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Ariel82

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You said flesh. There is scripture for this. But, now you are speaking of renew the mind. To His.
The flesh is cut off by renewing ones mind to God's truth by rejecting lies and learning His ways.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG thinks we're good enuff now to know when we sin..... funny thing is, when it comes to everything else, he adamantly declares we're not.
nope EG never said this, but no one should think you had any desire to understand what people believe.
 

blue_ladybug

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Well we SHOULD be good (smart) enough to know sin when it comes tempting us.. Though I realize our mouths, eyes and thoughts are a little slow to respond to resisting sin.. lol


EG thinks we're good enuff now to know when we sin..... funny thing is, when it comes to everything else, he adamantly declares we're not.
 

BillG

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Don't get snippy with me.. :/

I know why and how we repent. :) I believe that God does convict us, as in warns us, before we go and do something stupid. Then he convicts us afterward, as in "I warned you not to do that, and now you have the consequences".. Exactly the same way people warn us and then say, I told you so.. lol
its interesting and I want to post about how God deals with me when I get it wrong.
I am not going to say it yet.

Before I do I just want to ask a question based on repenting, and I'm talking post conversion here.

Lets suppose one has an issue with anger.
One day they get angry and 'repent'

The next day or a couple of days later they get angry again.

Then a few days later again.

Have they truly repented?

If not why not, if not then what?

This question is not aimed at you my precious cancer free sister in Christ (My heart did a jig and big smile on my face when I read that having my coffee break outside Starbucks,)

Its a question I would ask everyone who reads this response.

Heart still doing a jig and smiling again.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG and PennEd would prefer we use the word rebuke or reprove or "lovingly correct" Blue instead of convict...,apparently they don't like the imagery of prison orange or stripes....
the only prison in the spiritual rehlm is hell.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The term conviction in the Greek means to convince...


yes it can. It can also mean expose,

i know. Am a sinner, I do not need to be convinced or exposed of that fact

but. I Do need to be rebuked, admonished, or chastened because of it
 

blue_ladybug

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Maybe I'm just too simple minded to understand..lol.. but even cops and judges convict criminals, as in saying "don't you feel any remorse for (insert crime)?".

Maybe I'm just not explaining myself very well.. lol


EG and PennEd would prefer we use the word rebuke or reprove or "lovingly correct" Blue instead of convict...,apparently they don't like the imagery of prison orange or stripes....
 
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Ariel82

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Amen!! I thank Him for His Grace and Mercy, I thank Him for what He did.

The forgiveness was already granted, I don't need, and I don't think He wants me to continually ask for something that He paid a REALLY high price to give!! "He's like alright already, I already did that move on OY Vey!!" (Just kidding).

But on a serious note, for me to continually go back and request something that has already been given seems too light, almost a denial of trust.

I trust in complete forgiveness now. God I trust you, and rely on you, and I thank you and I love you. Sorry just isn't enough !! I am sorry, but He already understands that.

I don't know, its really tough to put in words, but I know that my God truly loves me, and that He doesn't hold my sin against me, and that He wants to walk with me, and me with Him. Its so amazingly awesome, that if I trap myself in this sin, repent, obey, sin, repent, obey cycle, then I lose sight of who He is and what He has done for me, I condemn myself and drift away from Him. And I do NOT want that anymore.

Does that make ANY sense to anyone??
Yeah I get where you are coming from.

It should be a "sin, repent, obey" cycle.

Walking with God allows you to see the root of your issues and why you sin in the first place.

It should be sin, repent, be shown God's truth about why you sin, overcome that sin and move on to grow in a different area in your life. Maybe help others overcome that sin later.

Most sins are rooted in lies and can be torn down if you gain wisdom through scriptures and the Holy spirit.

For example greed can be combated with loving others and wanting them to have enough and be happy, therefore learning to be generous instead of hoarding wealth for oneself,one gives freely to others and bless them because of how the love of God has changed your heart.

Hope that makes sense.

Don't focus on your self effort. Focus on God and trust Him to tell you if you need to change something in your walk with Him. Seek to do good and you will find too much to occupy your thoughts and hands to find time to do evil.
 
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Ariel82

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Maybe I'm just too simple minded to understand..lol.. but even cops and judges convict criminals, as in saying "don't you feel any remorse for (insert crime)?".

Maybe I'm just not explaining myself very well.. lol
I understand and agree. My response was tongue in cheek.
 

stonesoffire

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The flesh is cut off by renewing ones mind to God's truth by rejecting lies and learning His ways.
He prunes off dead flesh for growth of fruit. We are to renew our minds to His thinking which is His Word of redemption.

Righteousness by grace through faith. Imputed...lived out in Spirit. The Spiritual man/woman.

Milk drinkers are unskilled in the Word of righteousness. Yet babes.
 
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Ariel82

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its interesting and I want to post about how God deals with me when I get it wrong.
I am not going to say it yet.

Before I do I just want to ask a question based on repenting, and I'm talking post conversion here.

Lets suppose one has an issue with anger.
One day they get angry and 'repent'

The next day or a couple of days later they get angry again.

Then a few days later again.

Have they truly repented?

If not why not, if not then what?

This question is not aimed at you my precious cancer free sister in Christ (My heart did a jig and big smile on my face when I read that having my coffee break outside Starbucks,)

Its a question I would ask everyone who reads this response.

Heart still doing a jig and smiling again.
First why are they repenting of anger?

Anger is not a sin. Unforgiveness is.
 
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Amen!! I thank Him for His Grace and Mercy, I thank Him for what He did.

The forgiveness was already granted, I don't need, and I don't think He wants me to continually ask for something that He paid a REALLY high price to give!! "He's like alright already, I already did that move on OY Vey!!" (Just kidding).

But on a serious note, for me to continually go back and request something that has already been given seems too light, almost a denial of trust.

I trust in complete forgiveness now. God I trust you, and rely on you, and I thank you and I love you. Sorry just isn't enough !! I am sorry, but He already understands that.

I don't know, its really tough to put in words, but I know that my God truly loves me, and that He doesn't hold my sin against me, and that He wants to walk with me, and me with Him. Its so amazingly awesome, that if I trap myself in this sin, repent, obey, sin, repent, obey cycle, then I lose sight of who He is and what He has done for me, I condemn myself and drift away from Him. And I do NOT want that anymore.

Does that make ANY sense to anyone??
It makes perfect sense. Listening to people the emotional side of life, what motivates us
to do certain things and not others seems to be ignored, so when you focus on the symtoms
of a broken life without love, not surprisingly they keep on occurring.

Deep things in life are knowing you are loved, holding bad feelings about your family, hiding
a deep rejection and lack of self worth. The feelings generate drive people to depression,
suicide, drugs, alcohol, addictive behaviours etc.

If one approaches God with a check list it all fails. It is so much more profound, encompassing.
The more you let love flow in your heart the more these wrinkles disappear.

Once you know you are loved, it changes things. You can be more honest and open, not be
afraid of getting hurt. Even allowing oneself to be hurt to carry others.

A child when it learns to walk, it is learning about everything and how it all works together.
If we are not honest, pure and open, we will just get lost and do more harm than good,
closed down and feel defeated. If some have grown up in unloving environments, there
are many things they need to learn how to experience and grow into despite where they
came from. God makes this possible. It is stunning, but there are no limits to what we can
learn.
 

blue_ladybug

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Thank you to PennEd and the other mystery repper, for the reps on my post about being cancer free.. :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Maybe I'm just too simple minded to understand..lol.. but even cops and judges convict criminals, as in saying "don't you feel any remorse for (insert crime)?".

Maybe I'm just not explaining myself very well.. lol

What your dong is proving we interpret the same word differently,

thats what it all all boils down to, we agree, But we us different terms

That is what I was trying to show.
 
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Ariel82

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yes it can. It can also mean expose,

i know. Am a sinner, I do not need to be convinced or exposed of that fact

but. I Do need to be rebuked, admonished, or chastened because of it
1. You are no longer a sinner but a redeemed saint, clothed in Christ's righteousness that sometimes sins.

2. The Holy spirit would never convict you as a sinner. He convicts/reproved/rebuke individual sins, which are specific actions and thoughts that need to be changed to conform with God's truth and will.
 
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Ariel82

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What your dong is proving we interpret the same word differently,

thats what it all all boils down to, we agree, But we us different terms

That is what I was trying to show.
I agree with you EG, but I don't know if G777 agrees or not.