Once Saved Always saved....Read this

[Blain]

Man it's amazing how fast this thread progressed in my absence but such is the way war threads work I suppose.
I am not sure if there is a whole lot of a point or reason for thread anymore or not maybe something can be gained and learned from it but it's always important to know the difference between educational debating and senseless arguing and if nothing can be learned or gain from a debate then it has lost it's purpose.

 

[thepsalmist]

Its not a bad thing to be a vessel for his use

2 Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

2 Ti 2:21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Gen 2
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animalsand all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature,that was its name.20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

God wanted to see what Adam would name them ... He was curious. This kind of fellowship with man was His goal and still is.

 

[ember]

Haha- I bet they are!

Riding on these Quebec roads full of potholes with these stressed out motorists is no stroll in the park ... could it be any scarier?

you live in Quebec?

I'm from Quebec originally...Montreal area

Where are you?

 

[PeterJens]

Can a person receive the gift of grace without believing?

The answer is yes. Jesus healed the 10 lepers but only one returned to ask about who had done such a miracle.
There is a whole trend about a random act of kindness. I believe we are called to give gifts of love to people, as our fruit, things of real value, that bring value to life and a promise of hope.

When we are talking salvation, it is impossible to receive the gift of grace without the relationship being established between person and the Lord. This has happened to people in dreams, visions, and when meeting a christian who has shared the gospel. So there is no barrier if the heart is open.

 

[Nikki84]

How is that confusing, Is my job on earth done just because I am saved? Who has ever said this?

Being born again, adopted as a child of god is just the beginning of an eternal adventure. of learning about our god and being used by him.

No one ever said once a person is saved they can just sit on the couch, the game is over..

Sounds like you are preaching works now!

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Gen 2
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animalsand all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature,that was its name.20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

God wanted to see what Adam would name them ... He was curious. This kind of fellowship with man was His goal and still is.

Adam was given the duty to name the animals, and whatever he named them that was his name as he would have dominion over the same.

Mankind today still names species it finds and indexes them, most of Adam's got listed in Levitucus I would think.
(although I dont believe the bat is a bird, but... what do I know?) lol

My husband only gives personal names our animals and he is not a believer not walking with God.

But I think the animals have all been indexed though, setting out minds on the things above now

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm having a hard time with John 6.

No one can come unless drawn by God.

God does the drawing and the saving...

...these leaves us with doing the accepting.

[SUP]45 [/SUP]It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’[SUP][e][/SUP] Therefore everyone who has heard and learned[SUP][f][/SUP] from the Father comes to Me. [SUP]46 [/SUP]Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. [SUP]47 [/SUP]Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me[SUP][g][/SUP] has everlasting life. [SUP]48 [/SUP]I am the bread of life. [SUP]49 [/SUP]Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. [SUP]50[/SUP]This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. [SUP]51 [/SUP]I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

[SUP]66 [/SUP]From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. [SUP]67 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
[SUP]68 [/SUP]But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. [SUP]69 [/SUP]Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[SUP][i][/SUP]
[SUP]70 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?”[SUP]71 [/SUP]He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sounds like you are preaching works now!

My I ask how what I said makes it seem I am trying to earn my salvation by works?

 

[ember]

Man it's amazing how fast this thread progressed in my absence but such is the way war threads work I suppose.
I am not sure if there is a whole lot of a point or reason for thread anymore or not maybe something can be gained and learned from it but it's always important to know the difference between educational debating and senseless arguing and if nothing can be learned or gain from a debate then it has lost it's purpose.

well, there is a narrator to aide in comprehension...should one need it

otherwise, I recommend a very sure footed mode of transportation to circumnavigate the curious and winding route ... could be a stand in for Pilgrim's Progress ya think?

I can't help seeing a mist covered rocky path...leading upward...but there is also thick smoke from the many fires set along the way where some have camped out and refuse to get up and move on...it's the artist in me LOL!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am sorry. Did you not say I was calling you back to where you had come from? I did not realise repeating what you wrote is now a lie. You say I lie about you, but that is just slander unless you can say this is not true. I remember when we went down this road before you actually admitted I said exactly what you believed but not the why.

You are so self possessed and angry, because you are so right and I am so wrong. That is what puffed up people do, which you say I do, but here you are loosing your temper, blowing it all up, and you can do nothing about it.

Now my friend, I am not judging you, I never have. If you get a baseball bat, tell me I am not saved, a self righteous sinner who is a pharisee, it is not unreasonable of me to say pardon? I do not understand it. But I do now. You behave like a troll and are not willing to go through the real differences between us, which in theory are minor, but you want to make major.

The poison you spread is this bullying and intimidation approach. But the more you do the better it becomes of bouncing off.
You did not see my words before, so a hard heart you must have, like a stone. So I know there is no coming together between us, I did think there might be a month ago, but not now.

You said I was stuck in the past. "I only see the past" were your words..

I look to the future, not the past. Why would I look to the past. Only but to keep myself from going back. Should we ALL Not do this?

I have never said that, Saying I would not want to go back to be like you. is not saying I am stiuck in the past. So please stop trying to twist what everyone says.

So yes, You did lie about what I said,

So will please stop trying to defend your sin, you sound awful.

 

[Blain]

Sounds like you are preaching works now!

No trust me he isn't. Think of this way, once you receive salvation once you have a place in heaven then what? if your connection with God is real then you naturally produce fruits you naturally give it your all you seek God out with a hungry heart you want to be just like him you want to serve him and others.

I mean once we are saved then what? what is our reason for being a Christian once we have salvation once we have this gift what do we intend to do with this gift?

 

[thepsalmist]

Adam was given the duty to name the animals, and whatever he named them that was his name as he would have dominion over the same.

Mankind today still names species it finds and indexes them, most of Adam's got listed in Levitucus I would think.
(although I dont believe the bat is a bird, but... what do I know?) lol

My husband only gives personal names our animals and he is not a believer not walking with God.

But I think the animals have all been indexed though, setting out minds on the things above now

I think you missed my point completely though ... God didn't use Adam like someone would use a pen. He didn't say to Himself, "I'll call this an elephant, and get Adam to use his mouth to call it an elephant, and let him think he used his own creativity to do so." ... God let sinless Adam choose the name.

His goal is not to make us into His puppets ...

 

[Nikki84]

My I ask how what I said makes it seem I am trying to earn my salvation by works?

You said you're running a race. I would like to know why you are doing works after condemning them. Looks like you want it both waus

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The answer is yes. Jesus healed the 10 lepers but only one returned to ask about who had done such a miracle.
There is a whole trend about a random act of kindness. I believe we are called to give gifts of love to people, as our fruit, things of real value, that bring value to life and a promise of hope.

When we are talking salvation, it is impossible to receive the gift of grace without the relationship being established between person and the Lord. This has happened to people in dreams, visions, and when meeting a christian who has shared the gospel. So there is no barrier if the heart is open.

So we must have a relationship first before we can have grace?

Just want to clarify.

 

[Budman]

Man it's amazing how fast this thread progressed in my absence but such is the way war threads work I suppose.
I am not sure if there is a whole lot of a point or reason for thread anymore or not maybe something can be gained and learned from it but it's always important to know the difference between educational debating and senseless arguing and if nothing can be learned or gain from a debate then it has lost it's purpose.

True. In the end, after all the debate on this thread, one ultimately must decide for themselves whether salvation is truly a free gift from God, or something that must be worked for to be kept.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Can a person receive the gift of grace without believing?

Receiving the gift is a different topic. Grace proceeds entirely from within God Himself, and is in no way conditional upon anything in the objects of His favor.

Our response to Gods grace is indeed conditional, it’s conditional upon us actually responding. Scripture calls that response, faith. And faith is not a work, it is but the empty hand that freely receives what God freely gives.

 

[Budman]

Receiving the gift is a different topic. Grace proceeds entirely from within God Himself, and is in no way conditional upon anything in the objects of His favor.

Our response to Gods grace is indeed conditional, it’s conditional upon us actually responding. Scripture calls that response, faith. And faith is not a work, it is but the empty hand that freely receives what God freely gives.

Very well said.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You said you're running a race. I would like to know why you are doing works after condemning them. Looks like you want it both waus

I have never condemned works. That's what you are told. And you have been told a lie.

That's what I mean about listening to what other people tell you others believe, and not listening to them personally.

Did I say I was running a race to be saved? Or because I was saved?

Again, Where did I say I was doing works to earn my salvation?

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

These here were to be for signs and wonders in Israel

Isaiah 8:18 (( Behold )) I and the children whom the LORD hath (( given )) me
are for signs and for wonders (( in )) Israel from the LORD of hosts,
which dwelleth (( in )) mount Zion.

John 6:65 And he said, (( Therefore )) said I unto you,
that no man (( can come )) unto me,
except it were (( given )) unto him of my Father.

Predestined unto "the adoption of" children "by Christ" (unto the Father)

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us
(( unto )) the adoption of children by Jesus Christ (( to )) himself,
according to the good pleasure of his will,

John 17:9 I pray for (( them )) I pray not for the world,
but for them which thou hast(( given )) me; for they are thine.

John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine;
and I am glorified (( in ))them.

Theres a clip out of a study on the children for signs in Israel (Christ included) shows how the Father has given the children to Christ

Its like this one says

Isaiah 8:18

(( Behold )) I and the children whom the LORD hath (( given )) me

And the "me" is answering in John

John 6:65

(( Therefore )) said I unto you, that no man (( can come )) unto me,
except it were (( given )) unto him of my Father.

 

[Blain]

Receiving the gift is a different topic. Grace proceeds entirely from within God Himself, and is in no way conditional upon anything in the objects of His favor.

Our response to Gods grace is indeed conditional, it’s conditional upon us actually responding. Scripture calls that response, faith. And faith is not a work, it is but the empty hand that freely receives what God freely gives.

Very true grace is a free gift but he doesn't force it on us he wants us to accept the gift of our own free will. He treasures a willing heart not a controlled one