Once Saved Always saved....Read this
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Honestly that depends on what one would classify as keep on sinning.
if people see that as never sinning any more ever again then they misunderstood and will never reach their idea of God's standards. I mean I would be in absolute torture beating myself up being disgusted with myself because I sin even a simple mistake I would never feel good enough for God and faith would not be hope for me it would be a curse
if people see that as never sinning any more ever again then they misunderstood and will never reach their idea of God's standards. I mean I would be in absolute torture beating myself up being disgusted with myself because I sin even a simple mistake I would never feel good enough for God and faith would not be hope for me it would be a curse
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I only used that as a term many people use, But thanks for clarifying, I would hate for someone to be confused.
"You mean I can be saved and keep on sinning?
Yes, I agree.. That is why there is truly no hope in a gospel based on work.. We could never be secure, unless we water down Gods law. or hide our sin and not even admit it is sin..
There's actually a theology called Free Grace whose adherents openly admit that all a person has to do is believe once and they're saved. No obedience required. Salvation by grace apart from faith.
OSASers and "grace believers" also believe the same thing, but they don't like to openly talk about it.
OSASers and "grace believers" also believe the same thing, but they don't like to openly talk about it.
I mean i was never good enough for anyone in my life no matter what I did how hard I tried I never lived up to ppls standards, if it was the same way with God there really is no hope at all. He told me he loved me just for who I am he told me I was more than good enough for him he even told me I was royalty and he showed me and allowed me to experience what it's like to be royalty although that is a story for another day and thread.
he loved me and accepted me and treasured me for who I am not for what I am not he knew my weaknesses he knew my flaws he knew my darkness and yet all he saw was his beloved and adored child. Believe me when one grows up never being good enough never being loved for who they are they really treasure being seen and loved as he does.
he loved me and accepted me and treasured me for who I am not for what I am not he knew my weaknesses he knew my flaws he knew my darkness and yet all he saw was his beloved and adored child. Believe me when one grows up never being good enough never being loved for who they are they really treasure being seen and loved as he does.
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That is called by Jude licentiousness..
It has been a factor in the church since it was started. and condemned by the church.
But you do not fight this by going 180 and making grace earned, or equal to works.. You would be exchanging one false gospel for another false gospel. just to fight the other false gospel.
ie, you do not fight a lie with another lie. But that is exactly what Satan did with the jews, and continues to do with the church. And people buy into it hook line and sinker
It has been a factor in the church since it was started. and condemned by the church.
But you do not fight this by going 180 and making grace earned, or equal to works.. You would be exchanging one false gospel for another false gospel. just to fight the other false gospel.
ie, you do not fight a lie with another lie. But that is exactly what Satan did with the jews, and continues to do with the church. And people buy into it hook line and sinker
yes, the grace of God is conditional...as you say one must believe...
There is a process...first "listen to the message of truth"...then "believe" ..then we are "sealed" by the Holy Spirit in our inner man as the Lord becomes one with our spirit
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Acts 15:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and He made no distinction between us and them,cleansing their hearts by faith.
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