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For by grace you have been saved (Eph 2). Salvation is a past reality for every Christian who trusted Christ as Savior (not as "chance-giver").
Kenneth, how do you know how Eternal Security is taught in most churches. How many churches have you attended out of 1000's that teach eternal security? Kindly refrain from making up things & in fact talking yourself out of salvation.
And Kenneth, the rest of your post is not worth responding to, since it is all Kenneth & no Bible. So it drops with a thud.
How can trusting the Lord do save His people from their sins be dangerous? What is dangerous is to be a professed Christian like I used to be in a dead denomination, thinking that Mat 25 is the plan of salvation (though the word never occurs there), thinking salvation is by works. What is dangerous is to write off the Savior who offers you salvation as a free gift and try to do it your way so you can come off righteous. What is dangerous is to deny that He is the Savior, reduce him to a chance-giver, and claim that you yourself are your own Savior.
If it is so evident, why don't you prove it quoting scripture? Quote even one verse that says "lose salvation." Quote us a verse that says that the Lord sends His children to the Lake of Fire instead of chastising them in this life to keep them saved.
Have your relentless unbelieving posts become a willful sin?
Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sin.
Let anyone who denies that be ashamed & repent; trust Him as the Savior which He really is.
Kenneth, how do you know how Eternal Security is taught in most churches. How many churches have you attended out of 1000's that teach eternal security? Kindly refrain from making up things & in fact talking yourself out of salvation.
And Kenneth, the rest of your post is not worth responding to, since it is all Kenneth & no Bible. So it drops with a thud.
How can trusting the Lord do save His people from their sins be dangerous? What is dangerous is to be a professed Christian like I used to be in a dead denomination, thinking that Mat 25 is the plan of salvation (though the word never occurs there), thinking salvation is by works. What is dangerous is to write off the Savior who offers you salvation as a free gift and try to do it your way so you can come off righteous. What is dangerous is to deny that He is the Savior, reduce him to a chance-giver, and claim that you yourself are your own Savior.
If it is so evident, why don't you prove it quoting scripture? Quote even one verse that says "lose salvation." Quote us a verse that says that the Lord sends His children to the Lake of Fire instead of chastising them in this life to keep them saved.
Have your relentless unbelieving posts become a willful sin?
Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sin.
Let anyone who denies that be ashamed & repent; trust Him as the Savior which He really is.
E
your reasoning is self centered. Not God centered.
everything you talk about is what YOU do. what YOU should not do. What YOU May or may not do, What YOU need to do. What you THINK you have done, that I have not done (based on assumptions not facts) which means you think YOU are better than me.
To many YOU's in there, and not enough GOD in there
Thats all I need to know to stay away from your gospel.
everything you talk about is what YOU do. what YOU should not do. What YOU May or may not do, What YOU need to do. What you THINK you have done, that I have not done (based on assumptions not facts) which means you think YOU are better than me.
To many YOU's in there, and not enough GOD in there
Thats all I need to know to stay away from your gospel.
Are you sure that it doesn't work that way?
Our sins are blotted out by the Blood of the Lord, Jesus Christ.
They are gone. Disappeared.
Not to be weighed against us.
Instead, we will be judged as righteous as Christ was righteous. He is our covering.
You should take Atwood's advice, and highlight all the passages about salvation in the NT, and contemplate them in context.
Then go through the OT and compare what you have learned about NT salvation with how the sacrificial atonement worked in the OT.
You will gain more clarity by this comparison.
Our sins are blotted out by the Blood of the Lord, Jesus Christ.
They are gone. Disappeared.
Not to be weighed against us.
Instead, we will be judged as righteous as Christ was righteous. He is our covering.
You should take Atwood's advice, and highlight all the passages about salvation in the NT, and contemplate them in context.
Then go through the OT and compare what you have learned about NT salvation with how the sacrificial atonement worked in the OT.
You will gain more clarity by this comparison.
I see folks misunderstanding the words of Christ so often.
They just don't see the before/after of Christ's sacrifice.
Christ made it clear that no sinner enters heaven, yet every man is a sinner.
Christ clearly taught that no man could get to heaven, because all choose hell by following their fleshly desires.
Christ showed the world how sinful each of us are, and our depravity, by being the example of what we were meant to be... perfect.
Christ showed was was needed to enter the kingdom,
and showed that He alone would enter, as things stood.
BUT
Christ died for our sin, and rose from the dead!
We enter the kingdom only by being IN the Body of Christ.
We are stow-always on the only ship allowed into heavens harbor.
They just don't see the before/after of Christ's sacrifice.
Christ made it clear that no sinner enters heaven, yet every man is a sinner.
Christ clearly taught that no man could get to heaven, because all choose hell by following their fleshly desires.
Christ showed the world how sinful each of us are, and our depravity, by being the example of what we were meant to be... perfect.
Christ showed was was needed to enter the kingdom,
and showed that He alone would enter, as things stood.
BUT
Christ died for our sin, and rose from the dead!
We enter the kingdom only by being IN the Body of Christ.
We are stow-always on the only ship allowed into heavens harbor.
B
There are "requirements" attached to being saved and reaching eternal life. Other than that I agree with you. I will give you a simple analogy: You joined a home association as a member, and in order to maintain your membership, you are required to pay your dues on time, trim your lawn, and maintain certain restraints on your property. Your refusal to obey the guidelines or requirements could force management to close your account and seize your property. Taking membership and ignoring the requirements will just end your membership quickly. Is that simple enough for you?
2
It is completely silly to think you cna say a few words and do whatever you want and be saved
God does not want hypocrites in heaven
period.
only those who give their whole lives to him 100 percent are his disciples.
the majority will be lost says Jesus they could have been saved
but they were lead astray by false used car salesman looking for big churches.
God does not want hypocrites in heaven
period.
only those who give their whole lives to him 100 percent are his disciples.
the majority will be lost says Jesus they could have been saved
but they were lead astray by false used car salesman looking for big churches.
W
There are "requirements" attached to being saved and reaching eternal life. Other than that I agree with you. I will give you a simple analogy: You joined a home association as a member, and in order to maintain your membership, you are required to pay your dues on time, trim your lawn, and maintain certain restraints on your property. Your refusal to obey the guidelines or requirements could force management to close your account and seize your property. Taking membership and ignoring the requirements will just end your membership quickly. Is that simple enough for you?
Arguing on CC is not 100% to God.
None of us are making it I guess.
God doesn't want any of us in heaven. We are all sinners.
Salvation isn't a second chance.
It is putting on the righteousness of Christ. We are not counted as ourselves, but counted as Christ, because we are one with Christ.
There will only be one man in heaven: Jesus Christ. Hide in Him, or you'll never get in.
None of us are making it I guess.
God doesn't want any of us in heaven. We are all sinners.
Salvation isn't a second chance.
It is putting on the righteousness of Christ. We are not counted as ourselves, but counted as Christ, because we are one with Christ.
There will only be one man in heaven: Jesus Christ. Hide in Him, or you'll never get in.
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