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I'll have time to explain better in a few hours after I've made it home from the lab, and can use a computer instead of typing on my tiny phone.
Sorry if I came across as rude it's the idea I take exception to not you - it's a topic I've discussed many times here over the last few years.
Welcome to CC btw, we haven't got to meet yet
Sorry if I came across as rude it's the idea I take exception to not you - it's a topic I've discussed many times here over the last few years.
Welcome to CC btw, we haven't got to meet yet
I'll have time to explain better in a few hours after I've made it home from the lab, and can use a computer instead of typing on my tiny phone.
Sorry if I came across as rude it's the idea I take exception to not you - it's a topic I've discussed many times here over the last few years.
Welcome to CC btw, we haven't got to meet yet
Sorry if I came across as rude it's the idea I take exception to not you - it's a topic I've discussed many times here over the last few years.
Welcome to CC btw, we haven't got to meet yet
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also 1 Timothy 2:4 tells us that Adam was not deceived. if he could not discern between right and wrong, i see it as a direct implication that he's deceived, which would contradict scripture. this means when he 'listened to the voice of his wife' she wasn't trying to trick him; that's not what she said to him. it also means he knew exactly what he was doing when he ate of the tree of dying-you-shall-die: he knew that he was committing sin, and that it was wrong. so he did not get the ability to tell the difference between good & evil actions or decisions from the fruit; he had to comprehend moral choice in order to 'know to choose good and reject evil' when God commanded him, to know that it was right to obey and wrong to disobey, and he had to comprehend that he was doing wrong in order for it to be true that he wasn't deceived.
in my opinion. if i'm wrong it'll take some convincing
in my opinion. if i'm wrong it'll take some convincing
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also 1 Timothy 2:4 tells us that Adam was not deceived. if he could not discern between right and wrong, i see it as a direct implication that he's deceived, which would contradict scripture. this means when he 'listened to the voice of his wife' she wasn't trying to trick him; that's not what she said to him. it also means he knew exactly what he was doing when he ate of the tree of dying-you-shall-die: he knew that he was committing sin, and that it was wrong. so he did not get the ability to tell the difference between good & evil actions or decisions from the fruit; he had to comprehend moral choice in order to 'know to choose good and reject evil' when God commanded him, to know that it was right to obey and wrong to disobey, and he had to comprehend that he was doing wrong in order for it to be true that he wasn't deceived.
in my opinion. if i'm wrong it'll take some convincing
in my opinion. if i'm wrong it'll take some convincing
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• Gen 2:25 . .The two of them were naked, the man and his wife, yet they
felt no shame
Webster's defines shame as:
1» guilt, or disgrace
2» a feeling of inferiority or inadequacy, and
3» inhibition.
I think we could probably add self consciousness to that list; defined as
uncomfortably aware of one's self as an object of the observation of others.
In other words, there was absolutely nothing in early Man's psyche
restraining him from parading around in full frontal exposure; and actually,
neither was there anything in his psyche encouraging him to; i.e. they
weren't exhibitionists by any stretch of the imagination because in their
innocence, Adam and his wife simply were neither proud of, nor humiliated
by, their appearance in the buff.
Adam and his wife felt neither naughty nor perverted by frontal exposure at
first, nor were they self conscious in the slightest because as yet they knew
no cultural boundaries, nor were they infected yet with a guilt complex about
sex and the human body; and concepts like vanity and narcissism had no
point of reference in their thinking whatsoever. They had absolutely no
natural sense of propriety, nor were they even aware of such because their
creator hadn't taught them any proprieties yet at this point.
In other words: they had neither intuition nor training as yet to moderate
their dress code. Had somebody criticized the first couple's appearance, they
would no doubt have stared at their critic like a man taken leave of his
senses because they had not one clue about the meaning of decency.
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• Gen 2:25 . .The two of them were naked, the man and his wife, yet they
felt no shame
Webster's defines shame as:
1» guilt, or disgrace
2» a feeling of inferiority or inadequacy, and
3» inhibition.
I think we could probably add self consciousness to that list; defined as
uncomfortably aware of one's self as an object of the observation of others.
In other words, there was absolutely nothing in early Man's psyche
restraining him from parading around in full frontal exposure; and actually,
neither was there anything in his psyche encouraging him to; i.e. they
weren't exhibitionists by any stretch of the imagination because in their
innocence, Adam and his wife simply were neither proud of, nor humiliated
by, their appearance in the buff.
Adam and his wife felt neither naughty nor perverted by frontal exposure at
first, nor were they self conscious in the slightest because as yet they knew
no cultural boundaries, nor were they infected yet with a guilt complex about
sex and the human body; and concepts like vanity and narcissism had no
point of reference in their thinking whatsoever. They had absolutely no
natural sense of propriety, nor were they even aware of such because their
creator hadn't taught them any proprieties yet at this point.
In other words: they had neither intuition nor training as yet to moderate
their dress code. Had somebody criticized the first couple's appearance, they
would no doubt have stared at their critic like a man taken leave of his
senses because they had not one clue about the meaning of decency.
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Absolutely, but there is a verse teaching if a person is not aware of a sinful act made, he is not responsible for sinning.
Since losing my vision I do not attempt to cut and passte from the Word, not even from text aloud features. If people do not believe me, fine, they can look up the teaching for themselves, really! God bless you and all.
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Continued from post No.133
The story recorded in the third chapter of Genesis is a bit of an enigma. The
reason being that not only can the creator scan the future as if viewing live
coverage, but He's also fully capable of manipulating it. In other words; the
events in this chapter were neither unexpected nor inevitable.
People get upset with the all-powerful loving God for not stepping in and
preventing the so-called fall of man. But they need to remember that
humanity wasn't created to be the subject of domestication and animal
husbandry-- i.e. beasts --no, people were created in the image and likeness
of God, and given complete dominion over the entire Earth. In that capacity
humanity is at liberty to manage its own affairs as if it were a divine
sovereign. (Gen 1:26, Gen 1:28, and Ps 82:6)
Besides; does anybody really want to live in a micro-managed Big Brother
society? I don't think so. But that's the logic behind just about every product
liability lawsuit. Rather than taking the bull by the horns and doing
something to cure humanity's propensity to destroy itself, product liability
lawsuits go after suppliers who provide the means. Well, all I can say to that
is: thank God the creator is out of their reach or they'd do the same to Him.
God gave humanity the liberty to build itself up and/or tear itself down; and
to nurture the Earth and/or exploit it. Actually, that's the way many of us
prefer it because we want to be our own guiding lights rather than have
bosses manage our lives for us without our consent.
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Continued from post No.133
The story recorded in the third chapter of Genesis is a bit of an enigma. The
reason being that not only can the creator scan the future as if viewing live
coverage, but He's also fully capable of manipulating it. In other words; the
events in this chapter were neither unexpected nor inevitable.
People get upset with the all-powerful loving God for not stepping in and
preventing the so-called fall of man. But they need to remember that
humanity wasn't created to be the subject of domestication and animal
husbandry-- i.e. beasts --no, people were created in the image and likeness
of God, and given complete dominion over the entire Earth. In that capacity
humanity is at liberty to manage its own affairs as if it were a divine
sovereign. (Gen 1:26, Gen 1:28, and Ps 82:6)
Besides; does anybody really want to live in a micro-managed Big Brother
society? I don't think so. But that's the logic behind just about every product
liability lawsuit. Rather than taking the bull by the horns and doing
something to cure humanity's propensity to destroy itself, product liability
lawsuits go after suppliers who provide the means. Well, all I can say to that
is: thank God the creator is out of their reach or they'd do the same to Him.
God gave humanity the liberty to build itself up and/or tear itself down; and
to nurture the Earth and/or exploit it. Actually, that's the way many of us
prefer it because we want to be our own guiding lights rather than have
bosses manage our lives for us without our consent.
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We can speculate all we want. The smart thing to do is to check out what the Bible says is wrong with man. It says that the problem with man is his heart. That is why when a person is chosen by the Father, his sins are washed away by the Son, and his heart is fixed by the Holy Spirit who fills our hearts with the same love shared by the Father an Son, and therefore perfects us.
also 1 Timothy 2:4 tells us that Adam was not deceived. if he could not discern between right and wrong, i see it as a direct implication that he's deceived, which would contradict scripture. this means when he 'listened to the voice of his wife' she wasn't trying to trick him; that's not what she said to him. it also means he knew exactly what he was doing when he ate of the tree of dying-you-shall-die: he knew that he was committing sin, and that it was wrong. so he did not get the ability to tell the difference between good & evil actions or decisions from the fruit; he had to comprehend moral choice in order to 'know to choose good and reject evil' when God commanded him, to know that it was right to obey and wrong to disobey, and he had to comprehend that he was doing wrong in order for it to be true that he wasn't deceived.
in my opinion. if i'm wrong it'll take some convincing
in my opinion. if i'm wrong it'll take some convincing
also 1 Timothy 2:4 tells us that Adam was not deceived. if he could not discern between right and wrong, i see it as a direct implication that he's deceived, which would contradict scripture. this means when he 'listened to the voice of his wife' she wasn't trying to trick him; that's not what she said to him. it also means he knew exactly what he was doing when he ate of the tree of dying-you-shall-die: he knew that he was committing sin, and that it was wrong. so he did not get the ability to tell the difference between good & evil actions or decisions from the fruit; he had to comprehend moral choice in order to 'know to choose good and reject evil' when God commanded him, to know that it was right to obey and wrong to disobey, and he had to comprehend that he was doing wrong in order for it to be true that he wasn't deceived.
in my opinion. if i'm wrong it'll take some convincing
in my opinion. if i'm wrong it'll take some convincing