Prophecy, it’s not what most think.

[CS1]

I'm fully aware of the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24

Do you believe Daniels abomination Matt 24:15, and the great tribulation Matt 24:21 took place in 70AD in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem?

I believe that Jesus was speak of that too. as HE answered Three questions asked of HIM in Matthew 24 by His disciples in verse 3

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Jesus was speaking to them here of what the Disciples would be going through. Yes I agree Jesus is speaking about what Daniel saw Yet the tribulation they saw was great it was not " The great Tribulation" such as the world has never seen or will ever again. Matt 24:21

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you."
That was to the disciples yet, we do have an application for today. We too should be careful of deception.

Jesus was speaking of the temple specifically when HE said LOOK at these stones. Yet, Jesus also was speaking prophetically on what the disciples would be going through once His Ascension.

Jesus also spoke of things to impart to the church, which many of them would not see or experience because they would be dead. Has the end of the age come? No. Has Jesus came? No. That is why I believe Prophecy has now at the time forth telling and a foretelling of things to come.

 

[Dave-L]

Wow, just......, wow

Who was right? Jesus teaching a present spiritual kingdom? Or the Pharisees who were blind and still look for a future physical kingdom?

 

[Dave-L]

This 'vagueness-so-called' would completely defeat the purpose of prophecy. This is convolution carried to the extreme. Prophecies can also be used to warn us about the future. Pretending to be deaf, blind, and ignorant will not keep you from going to hell. You have been warned about this many times here on CC.

The spiritually blind are blind because they have chosen to be so. Yield your mind, body, and soul to the Lord today. He will be kind and merciful and forgive you of all your false teachings today if you will allow Him.

But your purpose is not the bible's purpose. Only 11 of 94 prophecies ever came to pass as written. The rest were too vague but became clear after fulfillment, showing their miraculous nature and that God was in control.

 

[Dave-L]

Is that your own personal opinion or is it a biblical fact?

The Pharisees created the 1000 year millennium doctrine. Jesus disproved it if you know the gospels.

 

[Dave-L]

Daniel asked an angel about the time of the end and the angel said that information was sealed and that Daniel should go to his rest.

I'm not looking for a physical kingdom at all because I know, according to the prophets and the book of Revelation that the time of the end has not yet arrive. A lot of things must still happen. You really should study the book of Revelation because it will provided clarity to what the prophets spoke about in the OT.

I asked you once before, that as a born again believer, what are the manifestations you have seen that indicates that the spiritual kingdom of Jesus is now in effect? Still waiting for your response. You have claimed that if you are born-again you will see the spiritual kingdom of God. Exactly what is it that you see that indicates that the spiritual kingdom is now in effect? It's really a simple question, you say that you see it and I'm asking what it is that you see.

The 70 weeks placed the Kingdom arriving with Jesus in the time of the Roman Empire. Are you born again? Only they could see it. The Pharisees rejected Jesus and still cling to their 1000 year physical millennial kingdom.

 

[Dave-L]

again, the difference is forth-telling and foretelling Jesus said in Matt 24 about the destruction of the temple

" see these stone here, not one shall be left standing" He did not say when it would happen He said that it will happen. And it did in 70 AD.
Guess what some who heard Jesus say this, was dead before it happened. Peter died about 64 AD. Your understanding of the full context of prophecy has limited What God intended for it to do.

Who believed Jesus was the temple when spoken?
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” John 2:19 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave-L]

You clearly don't even understand Jesus.

Your view of the Trinity is persons, solely based upon a CREED, not upon the Hebrew/Aramaic/original translated Greek.

Jesus said, speaking of the Father, GOD, is a SPIRIT!

If Jesus the WORD was begat from the Father (which is GOD and SPIRIT), makes the WORD also SPIRIT. Hence the WORD was made/manifested into flesh (meaning, the WORD before and during the begatting was SPIRIT before ever becoming flesh).

And we also know the Father = God and is SPIRIT begat His WISDOM (Holy Spirit).

Jesus literally tells us that the Divinity representing GOD is SPIRIT!

But you believe from a PAGAN CREED they are Persons!


You cannot even define the Divinity properly and yet you try to question my knowledge when I put yours into check!

You are writing a creed as you speak. I prefer the creeds that are tried and proven. They also tell me who not to trust. So I don't trust you.

 

[garee]

You just contradicted yourself.


That's incorrect. The sign of Jonah was given, as Jesus said it would be.

No sign as a wonder was given. The reformation came unannounced.

God's word must be rightfully divided. (1) signs from (2) sign and wonders or with wonders ,

Wonders like marveling are used a temporal source of faith. The parable of Jonah was made perfect by the parable using Jesus for the three day demonstration (flesh did not profit) of the lamb who was slain from before the foundation of the world .

We walk by faith. No signs and wonders are given. Many false wonders like those who look for physically mark have been invented. Some fall backward in order to mock God.

Others who literalize the signified tongue of God say electronic devices is the new source of faith and the mark as the foundation of the teaching is not founded in Genesis. .But has no foundation it simply appeared out of no where.

Signs as as wonders "no faith" are designed for those who believe not .According to the law of signs. Prophecy is for those who beleive.(walk by faith)

 

[John146]

No, you are wrong! The Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven are the same thing.

Most of time Mark, Luke and John use "kingdom of God," they are referring to the same thing, the Kingdom which Jesus initiated.

Matthew, on the other hand, uses the phrase, "Kingdom of heaven" as the same thing as the other 3 gospels call the "Kingdom of God." Why the difference in terminology?

Luke wrote his gospel to Theophilus, a Greek. Mark was likely Writing to Gentile converts, as he stops to explain various Hebrew and Aramaic terms. John wrote to Ephesians Gentiles. That leaves 3 gospels being written to Gentiles.

The exception to that was Matthew! It was written to Jewish Christians, probably located in the Jewish homeland. Jews abhor saying the name of God. You may see people who are Messianic Jews, use G-D, leaving out the vowel. But a better way for a Jew to avoid using the word God, was to change it to another word. IOW, heaven means God.

Looking at parallel passages confirms this!!

"Mark and Luke used “kingdom of God” where Matthew used “kingdom of heaven” frequently in parallel accounts of the same parable Compare Matthew 11:11-12 with Luke 7:28; Matthew 13:11with Mark 4:11 and Luke 8:10; Matthew 13:24 with Mark 4:26; Matthew 13:31 with Mark 4:30 and Luke 13:18; Matthew 13:33 with Luke 13:20; Matthew 18:3 with Mark 10:14 and Luke 18:16; and Matthew 22:2 with Luke 13:29. In each instance, Matthew used the phrase “kingdom of heaven” while Mark and/or Luke used “kingdom of God.” Clearly, the two phrases refer to the same thing."

https://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-heaven-God.html

"Within the universal kingdom of God, however, there are other concepts referred to as kingdoms. Principal among these are the kingdom of God, found seventy-two times in the New Testament, and the kingdom of heaven, found thirty-two times, all in the Gospel of Matthew.

A comparison of these features of the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God reveal many similarities: (1) both are at hand; (2) some features of both designated mysteries; (3) both entered only by the righteous as even profession requires outward conformity; (4) both include saved men; (5) both grow rapidly; (6) both have “birds” representing Satan and his angels, but in neither are these an organic part of the tree; (7) individuals in both likened unto children; (8) both are difficult to enter; (9) both have leaven, symbolic of bad doctrine, externalism, unbelief, and worldliness; (10) both contain Gentiles.

Because of the similarity of the two kingdoms and the fact that heaven is sometimes used as an equivalent for God, the majority of scholars have taken the position that the terms are identical or at least are used as synonyms. Based on the principle of interpretation that the context must determine the meaning of an expression, it would seem clear that in parallel passages the emphasis is on similarity of concept."

https://bible.org/article/kingdom-heaven

"
While some believe that the Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are referring to different things, it is clear that both phrases are referring to the same thing. The phrase “kingdom of God” occurs 68 times in 10 different New Testament books, while “kingdom of heaven” occurs only 32 times, and only in the Gospel of Matthew. Based on Matthew’s exclusive use of the phrase and the Jewish nature of his Gospel, some interpreters have concluded that Matthew was writing concerning the millennial kingdom while the other New Testament authors were referring to the universal kingdom. However, a closer study of the use of the phrase reveals that this interpretation is in error.

For example, speaking to the rich young ruler, Christ uses “kingdom of heaven” and “kingdom of God” interchangeably. “Then Jesus said to his disciples, ‘I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven’” (Matthew 19:23). In the very next verse, Christ proclaims, “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” (verse 24). Jesus makes no distinction between the two terms but seems to consider them synonymous." (Got questions.org)

I’ll simplify it for you. God is a spirit, heaven is a created place. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” The two cannot be the same thing. You should find another website to get your information from.

 

[CS1]

Who believed Jesus was the temple when spoken?
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” John 2:19 (KJV 1900)

are you really serious? or do you just like to hear yourself speak? Even the disciples did not know what it meant until the resurrection.

 

[garee]

Who believed Jesus was the temple when spoken?
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” John 2:19 (KJV 1900)

The temple that God used to demonstrate is "human living" Not dead spiritless stones . The temple from the beginning is not made of human hands as if God was a man and did live in things made with the corrupted hands, as the will of mankind. (Not God's will)

We are the temple. God for forty years used a temporal moveable to represent salvation , When they got to the border it was rendered useless having served its purpose. it was ne the intention of God to build another non moveable to simulate life walking .

its the Pharisees with Sadducees that demands a sign before they wild believe. This shows they are faithless just like the rocks they use to separate themselves from a living God.

We are the temple. Just as was Abel who was plowed under by his Pharisee(no faith) brother Cain

 

[Dave-L]

The temple that God used to demonstrate is "human living" Not dead spiritless stones . The temple from the beginning is not made of human hands as if God was a man and did live in things made with the corrupted hands, as the will of mankind. (Not God's will)

We are the temple. God for forty years used a temporal moveable to represent salvation , When they got to the border it was rendered useless having served its purpose. it was ne the intention of God to build another non moveable to simulate life walking .

its the Pharisees with Sadducees that demands a sign before they wild believe. This shows they are faithless just like the rocks they use to separate themselves from a living God.

We are the temple. Just as was Abel who was plowed under by his Pharisee(no faith) brother Cain

How could anyone know the outcome of this prophecy? Jesus spoke of the temple made without hands, his body.

 

[Dave-L]

are you really serious? or do you just like to hear yourself speak? Even the disciples did not know what it meant until the resurrection.

That's what I'm saying. Prophecy is normally not understood until after fulfillment.

 

[garee]

They are called HIS WITNESSES...and they testify as witnesses by THAT WITNESS in them...

JESUS called them many things...friend, disciple, witness, servant, friend, prophet....but prophet only in the sense that they will be testifying of ONE THING only....the GOSPEL...and will be killed because of that testimony.....and because of this, CHRIST will avenge the blood of every prophet from Abel to Zechariah...

But, there are no prophets in the sense that NO ONE and NOTHING needs to be added to the STORY of our SALVATION in, by and through JESUS...

TO THE TESTIMONY and to THE INSTRUCTION
For the TESTIMONY of JESUS...IS...THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY...

What needs to be added?

GOD did not overlook anything...and nothing will overshadow what has been provided...

Amen...I would agree. Nothing can be added to the gospel the witness to mankind. Not of or from.

We are under two that make one the law and the prophets together they make one perfect law. The law of faith

 

[garee]

How could anyone know the outcome of this prophecy? Jesus spoke of the temple made without hands, his body.

Many believers even before the wilderness example "moving tabernacle" (40 years) knew they were the temple of the living God they walked by faith, the unseen eternal. Knowing God does not live in non human (dead) temples made with the corruptive hands of mankind. Abel walked with God as two walking together.

Because Jesus as a apostle did the will of the father and not his own will of the flesh. His every moment is used as a parable. When he stepped out of the door. The action revealed by the words below . . . the abomination of desolation was made desolate. Not will in the future but is left desolate.

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Mathew 23: 38

The disciples did not understand the parable. The meaning was hid like many other times .They must of thought Jesus was blind because he hid the meaning. They wanted him to take a second look.

One look at the abomination of desolation was enough. In effect moved his kingdom the high mountain as a sign against those who has no faith. No hearing God not seen as the words He put in his apostle Jesus's mouth..

 

[Truth7t7]

Wow, just......, wow

No wow to it, there will be no 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, where Jesus Christ takes a throne if David upon this earth

A false teaching of man

 

[Truth7t7]

I believe that Jesus was speak of that too. as HE answered Three questions asked of HIM in Matthew 24 by His disciples in verse 3

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Jesus was speaking to them here of what the Disciples would be going through. Yes I agree Jesus is speaking about what Daniel saw Yet the tribulation they saw was great it was not " The great Tribulation" such as the world has never seen or will ever again. Matt 24:21

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you."
That was to the disciples yet, we do have an application for today. We too should be careful of deception.

Jesus was speaking of the temple specifically when HE said LOOK at these stones. Yet, Jesus also was speaking prophetically on what the disciples would be going through once His Ascension.

Jesus also spoke of things to impart to the church, which many of them would not see or experience because they would be dead. Has the end of the age come? No. Has Jesus came? No. That is why I believe Prophecy has now at the time forth telling and a foretelling of things to come.

Once again

1.) Do you believe Matthew 24:15 was fulfilled in 70AD Daniels Abomination?

2.) Do you believe Matthew 24:21 was fulfilled in 70AD?

 

[garee]

Once again

1.) Do you believe Matthew 24:15 was fulfilled in 70AD Daniels Abomination?

2.) Do you believe Matthew 24:21 was fulfilled in 70AD?

I think when Jesus stepped out of it (abomination) in Mathew 23 leaving it desolate from deceiving all the nations of the world. The propmised reformation came. graves were opened. the promised glory . It was fulfilled Mathew 23 when he slammed the ugly door. He shook the corrupted dust of his feet and moved to the mountain .

That reformation triggered a great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Never again could the father of lies deceive all the nations they must seek the flesh of one. that is under the letter of the law "death". Satan's the murderer form the beginning (You shall not die!) accusing false power. Cast into a bottomless time les pit. Never to deceive all the nations.

We know no man after the flesh. God alone looks into the hearts of all.

 

[Dino246]

No sign as a wonder was given. The reformation came unannounced.

God's word must be rightfully divided. (1) signs from (2) sign and wonders or with wonders ,

There is no such distinction in Scripture.

Wonders like marveling are used a temporal source of faith. The parable of Jonah was made perfect by the parable using Jesus for the three day demonstration (flesh did not profit) of the lamb who was slain from before the foundation of the world .

We walk by faith. No signs and wonders are given. Many false wonders like those who look for physically mark have been invented. Some fall backward in order to mock God.

Bafflegab. You're just avoiding correction.

Others who literalize the signified tongue of God say electronic devices is the new source of faith and the mark as the foundation of the teaching is not founded in Genesis.

Who says this? Identify and quote them.

I know you won't, because you haven't yet responded with actual quotations. You don't have the integrity to quote real individuals. Instead, you make up hogwash and present it as evidence.

 

[notuptome]

Once again

1.) Do you believe Matthew 24:15 was fulfilled in 70AD Daniels Abomination?

2.) Do you believe Matthew 24:21 was fulfilled in 70AD?

No. Preterists are full of nonsense.

For the cause of Christ
Roger