Prophecy, it’s not what most think.

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You claim your Hebrew makes you the man. The Pharisees aced you and look at what it did for them.


Nice paraphrasing and twisting of my words. Kind of how your posts read when you claim they have some sort of Biblical backing to them while its all contorted and twisted to your own personal view.

I have 1 simple question for you.

Do you want some cheese to go with that whine of yours?
 
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Thank You!
Now show me in Scripture where I am wrong at, since I have provided Scripture with an accurate assessment to its interpretation?


I find it ironic that 2 posters Truth7t7 and preacher4thetruth both have TRUTH in their chosen names. Both have criticized me, accused the Doctrine I present, even have judged me. In return, I have simply asked them to give me Scriptural evidence of where I am incorrect at. I myself have used Scripture and have given a sound interpretation of those Scriptures. And still neither of them have been able to refute my view based upon my Scriptural evidence.

Therefore, I have reasoned and concluded that the "TRUTH" in both posters names arrive from 2 things.

1. False Doctrine
2. Doctrine based upon man, not upon the Word of God


Only Doctrines coming from CREEDS, a False personal view, man's traditions are unable to refute factual and solid Scriptural proofs.

It makes me wonder then, where does the TRUTH in them actually come from?
 
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He was fulfilling the part that pertained. He fulfilled the rest in 70 AD.
You missed the point ... read the record in Luke 4. Look at how Jesus handled the prophecy from Isaiah.

Some fulfilled this day ... and some not.

Jesus came to the temple, requested the scroll of Isaiah, found the exact place where the prophecy was written, then spoke the words of the prophecy up to the point where the prophecy remained unfulfilled.

That is some very precise, very correct handling of Scripture. Jesus is our Example as to how we are to handle Scripture. We're talking the Word of God here.

How do we handle the Word of God? Are we sloppy in our interpretation of what is written? Are we teaching the Word of God as Jesus, Who is our Example, did? Or are we mouthing the words of men who were not as careful in their handling of the Word of God?

Your OP suggested that you had an interest in prophecy and you and I had discussion concerning prophecy in 1 Kings 22 in another thread. I guess I was mistaken ... and all you really want to do press your view concerning end time prophecy rather than come to a more accurate understanding concerning prophecy in God's Word. And Who better to learn from than the Lord Jesus Christ?

Think about what you are doing before you submit your posts.

God's Word is a discerner between the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12). What is your intent? To come to a more accurate understanding of Scripture? ... to teach others the Word of God more perfectly? ... or to foist opinions of men?



 
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Nice paraphrasing and twisting of my words. Kind of how your posts read when you claim they have some sort of Biblical backing to them while its all contorted and twisted to your own personal view.

I have 1 simple question for you.

Do you want some cheese to go with that whine of yours?
You seem to be all hat and no cattle? Do you ride a Harley and leather's too?
 
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You missed the point ... read the record in Luke 4. Look at how Jesus handled the prophecy from Isaiah.

Some fulfilled this day ... and some not.

Jesus came to the temple, requested the scroll of Isaiah, found the exact place where the prophecy was written, then spoke the words of the prophecy up to the point where the prophecy remained unfulfilled.

That is some very precise, very correct handling of Scripture. Jesus is our Example as to how we are to handle Scripture. We're talking the Word of God here.

How do we handle the Word of God? Are we sloppy in our interpretation of what is written? Are we teaching the Word of God as Jesus, Who is our Example, did? Or are we mouthing the words of men who were not as careful in their handling of the Word of God?

Your OP suggested that you had an interest in prophecy and you and I had discussion concerning prophecy in 1 Kings 22 in another thread. I guess I was mistaken ... and all you really want to do press your view concerning end time prophecy rather than come to a more accurate understanding concerning prophecy in God's Word. And Who better to learn from than the Lord Jesus Christ?

Think about what you are doing before you submit your posts.

God's Word is a discerner between the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12). What is your intent? To come to a more accurate understanding of Scripture? ... to teach others the Word of God more perfectly? ... or to foist opinions of men?
If you are right, the end of the world would have happened before Adam left the garden.
 
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If you are right, the end of the world would have happened before Adam left the garden.
God made provision for the redemption of mankind due to the sin Adam/Eve. The day Adam ate, he died just as God told Adam in Gen 2:17. Adam's death on that day resulted in his physical death years later.

And changing the subject does not negate the fact that the word of God is ... a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Heb 4:12).

Stop and consider to Whom you will answer before you submit your posts.


 

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If you are born again, why do you accept the Pharisees over Jesus in this matter?
I just asked you a simple question about what it is that you see, since you are born again, that indicates the spiritual kingdom of God is now in effect. You refuse to answer so I will take it that you don't see anything to indicate this and you are just making this stuff up. OK, we're through here on this topic and I will waste no more of my precious time on this. You can also debate with yourself whether or not I am truly born again just because I don't agree with you. Really, I could not care less what you think about my salvation status.
 

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The floating fulfillment happened in the past, back in Noah's day.
What you have said makes more sense than Dave's nonsense. He might even agree with your estimation. Whatever floats his boat. :)
 

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Study Jesus in the gospels before trying to tackle Revelation. The Pharisees ignored him and all who ignore him will agree with them on a physical kingdom not of faith but of sight.
I have been studying Revelation for over 50 years so I'm all set in that regard. In case that your not aware of this, your not the only one that reads the bible. There are also those that actually study the bible, myself included.
 
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God made provision for the redemption of mankind due to the sin Adam/Eve. The day Adam ate, he died just as God told Adam in Gen 2:17. Adam's death on that day resulted in his physical death years later.

And changing the subject does not negate the fact that the word of God is ... a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Heb 4:12).

Stop and consider to Whom you will answer before you submit your posts.
It would seem it died the moment Adam and Eve walked by sight . in a twinkling of the eye death. They carried out the suffering of hell all the days of their lives.
 
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Study Jesus in the gospels before trying to tackle Revelation. The Pharisees ignored him and all who ignore him will agree with them on a physical kingdom not of faith but of sight.
Yes because they had no faith, not little, none they therefore could not prove that God's law "all things written in the law and the prophets" (sola scriptura) was the heresy . The true rule or law of faith as it is written and not the law of men .

Pharisees with Sadaucesss two apposing sects that put aside their pagan differences. "Out of sight out of mind". No faith needed . Do the Cain things plow him under.

While Paul declared the law of God that we worship him not seen and not the fathers seen as if men were worshiping God who dwells in each individual . they worship the fathers as if they were our one father in heaven

The faithless ones shot their own selves in the foot and hobbled away reveling they serve another Good Master other than God not seen who is not a Man. The antichrists' Satan destroying the teaching authroty of God as it is written .

Acts 24:13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. .But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

The law as oral tradition of men (you shall surely not die) usurping the law of our father making his word without a living effect.

We are not to set our faith on the the things seen . They are not of our Father but of the corrupted world.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 
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It would seem it died the moment Adam and Eve walked by sight . in a twinkling of the eye death. They carried out the suffering of hell all the days of their lives.
I don't think there is anything in this lifetime which can compare to the "suffering of hell" ...

Just as God tells the believer that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us (Rom 8:18), I believe that we can never fully comprehend what the unbeliever will suffer for having rejected God ... separation from God Who created heaven and earth and all that is therein ... just mho on the issue.



 
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Who or What is the First Beast of Revelation [Rev 13:1-10]?

Revelation 1st Beast Historic Church view

CHAPTER 13


Verse 1
a. Here is the description of the Romaine empire which standeth in crueltie and tyrannie.
b. Meaning Rome, because it was first governed by seven Kings or Emperours after Nero, and also is compassed about wc seven mountaines.
c. Which signifie manie provinces.


Geneva Bible: Notes. (1560). (Vol. 2, p. 118). Geneva: Rovland Hall.
 
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I have been studying Revelation for over 50 years so I'm all set in that regard. In case that your not aware of this, your not the only one that reads the bible. There are also those that actually study the bible, myself included.
So what's your eschatological position? I'm Amillennial.
 
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I just asked you a simple question about what it is that you see, since you are born again, that indicates the spiritual kingdom of God is now in effect. You refuse to answer so I will take it that you don't see anything to indicate this and you are just making this stuff up. OK, we're through here on this topic and I will waste no more of my precious time on this. You can also debate with yourself whether or not I am truly born again just because I don't agree with you. Really, I could not care less what you think about my salvation status.
Did the kingdom arrive when Daniel and Jesus said it did? In the first century times of the Roman Empire? Or are you still looking for a physical "Millennial Kingdom" patterned after the Pharisee's model?
 
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God made provision for the redemption of mankind due to the sin Adam/Eve. The day Adam ate, he died just as God told Adam in Gen 2:17. Adam's death on that day resulted in his physical death years later.

And changing the subject does not negate the fact that the word of God is ... a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Heb 4:12).

Stop and consider to Whom you will answer before you submit your posts.
You need to consider your own words before claiming Jesus didn't fulfill prophesy in the same way.
 
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I don't think there is anything in this lifetime which can compare to the "suffering of hell" ...

Just as God tells the believer that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us (Rom 8:18), I believe that we can never fully comprehend what the unbeliever will suffer for having rejected God ... separation from God Who created heaven and earth and all that is therein ... just mho on the issue.

Mankind has a lifetime of the suffering of hell, the wage of sin .The same wrath we experience today that was revealed to Cain when the wage was increased the father of lie tried to bargain with God and said hell was to much to bear. Abel found the sabbath rest. Christ bore his sin.

I think we can understand the sufferings of natural unconverted mankind they have no rest in their work of suffering.. We to before we are given a new born again spirit had no sabbath rest.

Yoked with Christ the burden is lighter.