Rapture= false teaching

[stillearning]

1 thes. 4:13-18 Jesus does not touch down on earth as He does post trib, these are seperate events not a false teaching.

1th 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.1th 4:14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.1th 4:15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.1th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:1th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1th 4:18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


If you want to go through the tribulation period go ahead, but I am meeting Him in the air as thus saith the Lord

The purpose of being caught up is
( To welcome the Lord to earth )
1 Thessalonians 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (This is the first resurrection described by Jesus in revelation) 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet (or welcome) the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (We Welcome Jesus to earth after the 1st resurrection [Post trib] the dead in Christ rise first).
Vine, W. E. 1996. Vine's complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words. Meet apantesis (529), “a meeting” (akin to A, No. 1), occurs in Matt. 25:6 (in some mss. in v. 1, and in 27:32, in some mss.); Acts 28:15; 1 Thess. 4:17. It is used in the papyri of a newly arriving magistrate. “It seems that the special idea of the word was the official welcome of a newly arrived dignitary” (Moulton, Greek Test. Gram. Vol. 1, p. 14)
It has been represented by the rapture teachers as the Lord welcoming us to heaven but in truth we are welcoming Him to earth to help set up His kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. (((Pray for them))).


“Concerning the future, the Lord taught His disciples to pray, “Thy Kingdom come,” Matt. 6:10, (KJV)10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

 

[watchmen]

The purpose of being caught up is
( To welcome the Lord to earth )
1 Thessalonians 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (This is the first resurrection described by Jesus in revelation) 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet (or welcome) the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (We Welcome Jesus to earth after the 1st resurrection [Post trib] the dead in Christ rise first).
Vine, W. E. 1996. Vine's complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words. Meet apantesis (529), “a meeting” (akin to A, No. 1), occurs in Matt. 25:6 (in some mss. in v. 1, and in 27:32, in some mss.); Acts 28:15; 1 Thess. 4:17. It is used in the papyri of a newly arriving magistrate. “It seems that the special idea of the word was the official welcome of a newly arrived dignitary” (Moulton, Greek Test. Gram. Vol. 1, p. 14)
It has been represented by the rapture teachers as the Lord welcoming us to heaven but in truth we are welcoming Him to earth to help set up His kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. (((Pray for them))).


“Concerning the future, the Lord taught His disciples to pray, “Thy Kingdom come,” Matt. 6:10, (KJV)10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Good post stillearning, you are awesome.

 

[oopsies]

#1 This is what scripture says, not an interpretation
#2 This is the explanation of the most decorated prophecy scholar of all time John the Revlator as he taught it to his most priced disciples/students Polycarp, and Irenaeus. Study it out for yourself.

I don't think you get it. As I said, that is what I believe. You have a right to what you believe.

 

[watchmen]

I don't think you get it. As I said, that is what I believe. You have a right to what you believe.

I dont think you get it. We dont just get to pick and choose what we will believe or not believe, we must believe the whole council of God's word.

 

[oopsies]

I dont think you get it. We dont just get to pick and choose what we will believe or not believe, we must believe the whole council of God's word.

lol and shoving it down someone's throat will definitely get them to believe your point of view, eh? Good job. I certainly hope this isn't how you preach to others. How sad it would be that they might've believed in the Gospel if it weren't shoved in their faced.

 

[watchmen]

lol and shoving it down someone's throat will definitely get them to believe your point of view, eh? Good job. I certainly hope this isn't how you preach to others. How sad it would be that they might've believed in the Gospel if it weren't shoved in their faced.

Ezekiel 33
1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.



I am blowing the Trumpet and warning the wicked, whether they hear me or not I have delivered my soul.

 

[oopsies]

Ezekiel 33
1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

I am blowing the Trumpet and warning the wicked, whether they hear me or not I have delivered my soul.

Perhaps in your mind. Here is the problem though, watchman. How the end comes doesn't matter. If it's not pre-trib rapture, then I will know it is either mid-trib or post-trib rapture. If it's not mid-trib rapture, then post-trib rapture will be the final outcome. It doesn't matter which way it will turn out because whichever way the end will happen, you still need to do the things you were doing before - that is, preaching the Gospel, praising God, holding steadfast to the end, helping those in need, looking forward to Jesus' coming, and all those other things that we are called to do as Christians. What you're doing is placing an incredible amount of focus on how it will happen instead of encouraging others, be uplifting in your words, and bringing them up in the ways of the Lord. Stop focusing on which futurist view others hold. Instead of shoving your view in my face, you could have said any of the following:

a) "Oopsies, you can believe in pre-trib rapture but whichever you believe in, just remember to hold fast to God's commands especially if it turns out that the pre-trib rapture view is incorrect."

b) "Oopsies, you are entitled to your view on endtimes theology but remember to always make sure that your beliefs are supported with Scripture so that you will not be misled by others."

c) "Oopsies, if you believe in the pre-trib rapture view, it would be a kind thing if you also present to others the mid-trib or post-trib as possible outcomes so that your use of the pre-trib belief will provide other Christians with hope and should it be wrong, they would also be aware that there are two more possibilities and not lose hope."

Instead, you shoved your view in my face and basically said (implied, in a roundabout way, or otherwise) that I'm wrong and you're right because only you have Scriptural support. Then you rubbed your nose at me by quoting Ezekial 33 and likening yourself to waking me up - one who is "asleep."

What about me, you may ask? I admit, by replying to you I'm guilty of some angst, a bit of vengeance, and even quite possibly, pride. But unlike you, what I have done above is show you three possible ways to fulfill God's second greatest commandment - to love (Matthew 22:36-40). I still maintain that I prefer the pre-trib rapture view but acknowledge that the others are equally valid - to each their own - and that whichever one we believe, it isn't the most important issue (described in the first paragraph).

What have you done? You condemned me for my views then you tell me that you're one of the trumpeteers and that I'm the one who's asleep and quite possibly, wicked. What else have you done in the previous posts of this thread between the two of us that's uplifting, kind, or encouraging? Nothing. You didn't even demonstrate Jesus' example of humble love to me. If I have done nothing else of value then at the very least, I did not condemn you for your belief of a different view and I have tried to show you alternatives to replying with love and kindness.

 

[watchmen]

Instead, you shoved your view in my face and basically said (implied, in a roundabout way, or otherwise) that I'm wrong and you're right because only you have Scriptural support. Then you rubbed your nose at me by quoting Ezekial 33 and likening yourself to waking me up - one who is "asleep."

Actually you are wrong and God's word is right. I am not right I simply agree with God, and yes my view is the only one that has scriptural support. further more it is my goal to waking you up, as satan has lulled you to sleep with his false doctrine.

 

[shrone]

He will be released from his cage, and leash out like an angry beast. He will reign on earth until it is destroyed. It will NOT be a pretty sight. The rapture will save real Christians and leave the rest of the world in Satan's wrath to do as he pleases.

My heart breaks for those who will have to feel the wrath of Satan. Give nothing but forgiveness and sympathy, for he is evil and is broken with those. Satan was broken when Jesus died, because Jesus did not get mad, he did not retaliate, he did not help himself out of the situation he was in. Satan was caged then and there from his defeat against Jesus. He wanted Jesus to display evil characteristics and he did not. Jesus is not tortured by the snake, and neither shall we be, for Jesus is in our hearts, and will be there for eternity.

GIVE NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY FOR HIM, FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE DOES.

i agree with you mordred....GIVE NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY FOR HIM, FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE DOES!

 

[stillearning]

Many of the saints are going to be misled. How? (By the changing of the times).
(The beast – the son of perdition – the antichrist) Daniel 7:25 And he (the son of perdition) shall speak great words against the most High, (against the word of Jesus) and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

(It is likely The son of perdition’s mission is to change the timing of end time events – deception, (lies) His mission is to get you to believe his lies over what the words of Jesus say, yet make you feel as though you are still following the true Christ – this seems impossible - but it’s not. One thing you must know before getting started here, if you are tricked into following (and teaching)the antichrist’s lies (words contrary to the words of Jesus) you will lose your eternal life. Let me show you how sly Satan is – this is all he had to do with Eve – make her believe that something her Lord told her was not true. That’s all he has to do with us. Satan is doing the same old thing no new tricks. This is his mission. From the scripture above, we have an idea what lie he would have us believe (having to do with the times) Let me briefly show you how easy it is to accomplish such a task. Then ((((pray))) for them that have been tricked. This information is meant to expose the schemes of the enemy.

2 John 9-11 (KJV) 9 Whosoever transgresseth, (to teach contrary to) and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, (teachings and instructions of Christ) hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, (Something contrary to the teachings and instructions of Christ) receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[Mordred]

i agree with you mordred....GIVE NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY FOR HIM, FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE DOES!

Thank you.

 

[watchmen]

Originally Posted by Mordred

He will be released from his cage, and leash out like an angry beast. He will reign on earth until it is destroyed. It will NOT be a pretty sight. The rapture will save real Christians and leave the rest of the world in Satan's wrath to do as he pleases.

The rapture is after the Tribulation.

My heart breaks for those who will have to feel the wrath of Satan. Give nothing but forgiveness and sympathy, for he is evil and is broken with those. Satan was broken when Jesus died, because Jesus did not get mad, he did not retaliate, he did not help himself out of the situation he was in. Satan was caged then and there from his defeat against Jesus. He wanted Jesus to display evil characteristics and he did not. Jesus is not tortured by the snake, and neither shall we be, for Jesus is in our hearts, and will be there for eternity.

GIVE NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY FOR HIM, FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE DOES.

i agree with you mordred....GIVE NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY FOR HIM, FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE DOES!

Thank you.

Are you two actually saying the anti christ/satan deserves our sympathy for he doesn't know what he is doing. Where do you people come from? Satan knows exactly what he is doing.

 

[Mordred]

But, he cannot accept good. Good, will defeat him. Sympathy, Love, Compassion, Forgiveness. If we choose to be LIKE the Lord, we shall do what the Lord commands. Brother, I cannot be swayed - but Satan will fee the wrath in his final days.

 

[shrone]

Where do you people come from?

im from kuwait....what about you watchmen??...lol!

 

[Thaddaeus]

But, he cannot accept good. Good, will defeat him. Sympathy, Love, Compassion, Forgiveness. If we choose to be LIKE the Lord, we shall do what the Lord commands. Brother, I cannot be swayed - but Satan will fee the wrath in his final days.

My Lord commands that we depart from evil, have nothing to do with it/Him.

Jas 4:7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

 

[greatkraw]

Actually you are wrong and God's word is right. I am not right I simply agree with God, and yes my view is the only one that has scriptural support. further more it is my goal to waking you up, as satan has lulled you to sleep with his false doctrine.

My Dad used to say, 'the whitewashed ones are worst'

This means that people who have been persuaded to a particular point of view feel it necessary to persuade others also. This is due to an innate security they have that they may still be wrong.

Someone who is secure in what they believe will tell you once and tell you why but then leave it up to you.

 

[miktre]

Someone who is secure in what they believe will tell you once and tell you why but then leave it up to you.

Didnt notice you doing that in the fixed earth thread

 

[greatkraw]

Didnt notice you doing that in the fixed earth thread

I go to that thread specifically for light relief.

Besides, I see it as my responsibility to convince Cup of Ruin(your alter ego) of the dangers of his heresies.

If you do genuinely not realise that you and cup are the same person then you may be suffereing from Multiple Personality Disorder lol

 

[miktre]

Didnt realize that you get light relief in behaving in such a manner. Hmmm

 

[watchmen]

My Dad used to say, 'the whitewashed ones are worst'

This means that people who have been persuaded to a particular point of view feel it necessary to persuade others also. This is due to an innate security they have that they may still be wrong.

Someone who is secure in what they believe will tell you once and tell you why but then leave it up to you.

My mom used to say some people are so loose in the head they would know truth if it slapped them in the face. I persuade others because God has commanded it, not because of any insecurity.