Rapture= false teaching

[miktre]

Miketr, why do you not just post the site you are copying your info from, and if we want to read it we will go there instead of clogging the thread with this nonsense Thank you

We spent much time preparing the information in this thread. We choose not to participate in childish back and forth you and others seem to enjoy. You won't find us "clogging" any threads we didn't start either. If you don't like the thread you are free start one and put forth your very own presentation at anytime. You have the promise you won't find a post from miktre.

 

[watchmen]

We spent much time preparing the information in this thread. We choose not to participate in childish back and forth you and others seem to enjoy. You won't find us "clogging" any threads we didn't start either. If you don't like the thread you are free start one and put forth your very own presentation at anytime. You have the promise you won't find a post from miktre.

Who is we? You started this thread? Then clog away my friend

 

[iamnotashamed]

Question: Could Obama be an antichrist, or even the antichrist? I used to laugh at my friend at this suggestion, but now I wonder, as he refused to be on stage without a cross being covered, and compares himself, jokingly, to God. Could the antichrist be married with kids?

 

[watchmen]

Question: Could Obama be an antichrist, or even the antichrist? I used to laugh at my friend at this suggestion, but now I wonder, as he refused to be on stage without a cross being covered, and compares himself, jokingly, to God. Could the antichrist be married with kids?

This is a good thread opener, I suggest you start a thread with this question.

 

[miktre]

Matt 24:17-19 (Jesus speaking)

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! (KJV)

Explanation of above verse 19: This is a verse in which the translation is somewhat confusing; Jesus is speaking here symbolically not literally. We will not bother to tell you how the various commentators interpret this verse, but rather, we will explain it.
This is not speaking of a pregnant woman, you will notice that no gender is implied, and it is speaking in a plural sense. This is referring to those who have been spiritually impregnated in their mind with the mark of the beast, those who have been spiritually impregnated and are therefore "spiritually with child" when the True Bridegroom Christ returns. That is to say, those who are worshiping antichrist when the true Christ returns.
And them that "give suck" are not nursing mothers, but rather those that are nursing the great apostasy, by doing the work of satan, in that they teach that antichrist is the True Christ - thus helping satan to deceive the world, albeit, that most will be doing it in ignorance. You could liken it to your going on a long journey and when you return to your wife she is nursing a baby that she had by another. (it will be an approximately 2000 year journey for Christ, and when He returns, His Bride (the Church) will be with another savior - the false savior, the antichrist).
When Jesus begins the verse with "And woe unto them...", it is a warning of the highest magnitude! It is the singling out of some for a terrible punishment, it is at the same time a condemnation. On the other hand, the love between a mother and her suckling baby is the purest form of love known on this earth. Don't let anyone tell you that Jesus has a special punishment in store for them! Quote


Well my dear... you pretty much lost me as soon as I read this. Please dont add to the words of the Bible... this is in err... It is what it is... as written... woe to pregnant & nursing mothers. For it to be anything else God would have had it written as such. I have no clue where you would have got this far out idea... It is what it is. Unfortunately I was unable to read the rest of your post (which may have been very good)after seeing this gross err in translation. I did however love your choice of font color. Review where you obtained this misinformation about this and truly reflect on Gods word as written. God Bless you as you seek.
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We also wanted to say one last thing, about the accusation of adding words to the Bible for this is a very serious charge we don't take lightly. Dilengly searching out deeper meanings in Gods Word to better understand Gods plan is what we are supposed to do. Let us give you an example:

49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master. 50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole. 51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden. 52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth. 53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. 54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. 55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat. 56 And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done.


Lets see how we can find a deeper meaning in these verses:

Take a look at the word meat. Jesus Christ has just brought this young maid back from her earthly death and whats the first thing He commands to give her? meat!

Strongs:
G5315
φάγω
phagō
fag'-o
A primary verb (used as an alternate of G2068 in certain tenses); to eat (literally or figuratively): - eat, meat.



Is the Lord just telling them to run out and get her a nice big juicy steak? No, lets see if we can find a deeper meaning to give her meat. What shall we turn to, to look? To the scriptures of course.



Here are the verses where we find our answer:

11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Here lies the deeper meaning. Christ is telling them that this girl needs to be taught to stay alive, to stay alive forever with the Lord.

Hopes this helps in your future studies.


Peace unto you in Jesus Christ

 

[Christian0788]

Look up Corrie Ten Boom "witness under trial".

 

[watchmen]

We also wanted to say one last thing,

Who is we?

 

[carpetmanswife]

Question: Could Obama be an antichrist, or even the antichrist? I used to laugh at my friend at this suggestion, but now I wonder, as he refused to be on stage without a cross being covered, and compares himself, jokingly, to God. Could the antichrist be married with kids?

may i ask when ,where was this , obama refused to be on a stage without a cross being covered??? hes REALLY creepin me out

 

[watchmen]

Question: Could Obama be an antichrist, or even the antichrist? I used to laugh at my friend at this suggestion, but now I wonder, as he refused to be on stage without a cross being covered, and compares himself, jokingly, to God. Could the antichrist be married with kids?

may i ask when ,where was this , obama refused to be on a stage without a cross being covered??? hes REALLY creepin me out

It was a month ago at George Town University.

 

[chelsers]

The way I see it, this is a very interesting topic, but the most important lesson is to not waste any time. Think of every day as if it could be your last. I know that's a cliche saying, but for Christians it's pretty powerful. If at the end of every day you can say if the end was today I've done the best I can, that's all you can do.

 

[Slepsog4]

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/georgetown-obama-visit.htm

This link will take you to an article about the Georgetown/Obama Visit.

 

[Elijah3]

Miktre, Repent or you may be left out of the Rapture.

 

[watchmen]

Miktre, Repent or you may be left out of the Rapture.

What exactl is it that you want Miktre to repent of?

 

[loveschild]

Demons are in all kinds of people.

 

[watchmen]

Demons are in all kinds of people.

Yeah, that is true. Did you post this in the wrong thread?

 

[billp]

I think the problem with this question is in your misunderstanding of what the wrath to come is. John the baptist tell us what it is in Matthew 3.
Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
The wrath to come is the baptism of fire, when the chaff will be destroyed by fire at the post trib 2nd coming of Christ, which will occur after the rapture. Therefore even though the rapture is after the tribulation, it is before the wrath. Here are a couple of other passage to support this truth.


Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
First the rapture then the destruction of the wicked by fire. both occur on the same day, the day of Christ return which we know from Matthew 24:29-31 is immediately after the Tribulation.


2nd Thess 1
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Once again we see the rapture then the destruction of the wicked by fire on the very day that Jesus returns with His mighty angels which occurs after the Tribulation.




So although we will escape the wrath we must endure the Tribulation first

Read Revelation 6 when the wrath of God is poured out upon mankind. Why would God subject His Church ( a bride without blemish ) such horrible wrath?

If the church must go through the tribulation, where is the imminency of Christ's return?

 

[watchmen]

Read Revelation 6 when the wrath of God is poured out upon mankind. Why would God subject His Church ( a bride without blemish ) such horrible wrath?

Revelation 6-19 run parallel to one another not Chronologically. Know this will help you realize that the wrath spoken of at the end of Revelation chapter 6 is referring to the Coming of Christ not anything that happens during the Tribulation.

If the church must go through the tribulation, where is the imminency of Christ's return?

The any day, anytime imminent return of Christ is a false teaching. There are many things that must oocur before Christ retruns, and one of them in the reign of the anti christ, or what you call the great tribulation.

 

[Baptistrw]

Revelation 6-19 run parallel to one another not Chronologically. Know this will help you realize that the wrath spoken of at the end of Revelation chapter 6 is referring to the Coming of Christ not anything that happens during the Tribulation.

The any day, anytime imminent return of Christ is a false teaching. There are many things that must oocur before Christ retruns, and one of them in the reign of the anti christ, or what you call the great tribulation.

You need to read I and II Thessalonians instead of spreading your heresy on this site.

 

[Baptistrw]

1 thes. 4:13-18 Jesus does not touch down on earth as He does post trib, these are seperate events not a false teaching.

1th 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.1th 4:14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.1th 4:15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.1th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:1th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1th 4:18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


If you want to go through the tribulation period go ahead, but I am meeting Him in the air as thus saith the Lord

Amen. The Rapture is one of the most glorious truths in all of Scripture.

 

[MahogonySnail]

The rapture is no doubt a glorious doctrine, if it were true. But is it really from scripture? Consider its origins:

http://www.bethelministries.com/pretrib.htm

Is there any proof that the pre-trib rapture was believed consistently in Christianity since the time of the apostles, even amongst Baptists for example?