RAPTURE, PRE OR POST?
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In reference to the gathering together happening in Jesus generation - In Luke 4:18-21 Jesus read from the book (scroll) of Esaias (Isaiah). He knew exactly when to start reading and when to stop. He stopped reading with "To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord and sat down saying, "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Why did Jesus not read the whole verse from Isaiah 61:2?
BTW, I have posted scripture throughout this thread but what does it matter with no coherent conversations between people?
In Christ. . . . .
BTW, I have posted scripture throughout this thread but what does it matter with no coherent conversations between people?
In Christ. . . . .
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No wonder you were not forthcoming with me, with your theory/ doctrine about Jesus coming pre-trib, and not telling me the verses when I asked. I had to look back 5 pages.
“a falling away first” so that’s it? That’s the rapture? “a falling away first” That’s Jesus coming in the clouds? That’s the sound of the last trumpet? That’s the voice of the ark angel?
No wonder you was not forthcoming with me, no wonder you didn’t wont to say, because I would be embarrass to teach millions of Christians about their future of life or death matter, based on that little bit of verse. ”a falling away first”
That’s the church falling away from their faith, not the church raising in the clouds to meat Jesus in the air.
That’s the weakest theory/ doctrine about Jesus coming pre-trib that I have ever heard, I don’t think I have heard a weaker version ever .
When you come to battle for the Lord you must bring the sword of the spirit, not a Tooth pick.
Build your house on a rock, but sadly some build their house partly on the sand, but you have partly built your house on nothing but thin air.
But one good thing about your theory/doctrine, I won’t have to worry about you influencing young Christian minds with your theory/doctrine, because no one is that supped to believe that.
And you are complaining that you can’t get a decent conversation. Well if you could bring something decent to the table it might make the difference.
“a falling away first” so that’s it? That’s the rapture? “a falling away first” That’s Jesus coming in the clouds? That’s the sound of the last trumpet? That’s the voice of the ark angel?
No wonder you was not forthcoming with me, no wonder you didn’t wont to say, because I would be embarrass to teach millions of Christians about their future of life or death matter, based on that little bit of verse. ”a falling away first”
That’s the church falling away from their faith, not the church raising in the clouds to meat Jesus in the air.
That’s the weakest theory/ doctrine about Jesus coming pre-trib that I have ever heard, I don’t think I have heard a weaker version ever .
When you come to battle for the Lord you must bring the sword of the spirit, not a Tooth pick.
Build your house on a rock, but sadly some build their house partly on the sand, but you have partly built your house on nothing but thin air.
But one good thing about your theory/doctrine, I won’t have to worry about you influencing young Christian minds with your theory/doctrine, because no one is that supped to believe that.
And you are complaining that you can’t get a decent conversation. Well if you could bring something decent to the table it might make the difference.
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You’re just upset because you got hoodwinked by the false prophets, with the pre-tribulation theory, and you thought they were men of God that were teaching you. Then someone came along and tried your doctrine, and found it to be a delusion, now you are upset, and so you should be, but with yourself.
And because the conversation doesn’t go your way and you’re not winning the battle, there all negative and there is no fellowship there.
It’s not too late to build you house upon the rock
And because the conversation doesn’t go your way and you’re not winning the battle, there all negative and there is no fellowship there.
It’s not too late to build you house upon the rock
I'm going up, Oh I'm going up,
I'm going up in the first resurrection,
I'm going up, Oh I'm going up to be with the Lord.
It will be such a good thing to meet the Lord in the air and ever be with Him. Then later, after God has dealt with Israel and the children of disobedience during the great tribulation, we will be coming back with the Lord, Babylon iwill be destroyed, we will win a great battle, judge the nations and set up the kingdom for a 1,000 year reign. What a beautiful plan the Lord has laid out for the church and bride of Christ. And just think, we will have our glorified bodies and be able to walk the earth. Then Satan will be 'loosed' and gather a multitude against the Lord and will be consumed and cast into the lake of fire. What a scene that will be. Hopefully, by then all those that lived in error will be reconciled to and rejoice in the truth that they so vehemently were convinced was a lie.
I'm going up in the first resurrection,
I'm going up, Oh I'm going up to be with the Lord.
It will be such a good thing to meet the Lord in the air and ever be with Him. Then later, after God has dealt with Israel and the children of disobedience during the great tribulation, we will be coming back with the Lord, Babylon iwill be destroyed, we will win a great battle, judge the nations and set up the kingdom for a 1,000 year reign. What a beautiful plan the Lord has laid out for the church and bride of Christ. And just think, we will have our glorified bodies and be able to walk the earth. Then Satan will be 'loosed' and gather a multitude against the Lord and will be consumed and cast into the lake of fire. What a scene that will be. Hopefully, by then all those that lived in error will be reconciled to and rejoice in the truth that they so vehemently were convinced was a lie.
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See it’s not so hard to say something nice, that’s the best thing you have said the whole time, something good something right and righteous.
Now you have gone all funny again, that’s rubbish and you are just making that up, and were does it say that in the bible?.
Have you not read in God’s word, O ye of little faith, how God has made of one blood all nations of men.
And have you not read, O ye of little faith, that he is NOT a Jew which is one outwardly, but HE IS a JEW which is one inwardly.
Now you have gone all funny again, that’s rubbish and you are just making that up, and were does it say that in the bible?.
Have you not read in God’s word, O ye of little faith, how God has made of one blood all nations of men.
And have you not read, O ye of little faith, that he is NOT a Jew which is one outwardly, but HE IS a JEW which is one inwardly.
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Peter, Peter Pumpkin Eater,
Is everything that does not agree with your understanding just a made up story? I won't go into with you because it will simply be argumentative and unwise. Morons will always be morons, I'm not accusing you so don't take it personal. A moron is someone who could have had the understanding they needed by refused it for some strange subjective reason. The Bible refers to them as foolish or one who rejects wisdom. It is not a wise thing to say that the church is some how spiritual Israel. A Jew is a Jew, unless they have believed upon Christ as their Saviour, then they are neither Jew or Greek but one in Christ as His body and members in particular.
Israel is Israel until they come out from their unbelief. Israel is Israel and living in Israel with many that are daily going back to their homeland. Israel is not the church and if you think that they are you have lost your objective marbles in the word. They are still waiting upon Messiah to come and He will come a second time being rejected in the first. Don't respond but just in a loving way be quiet and don't say anything because I do not want to hear what you have to say. I think you can understand that as a (51) year old man. It would do you good to humble yourself in front of others instead of wagging your tongue.
Is everything that does not agree with your understanding just a made up story? I won't go into with you because it will simply be argumentative and unwise. Morons will always be morons, I'm not accusing you so don't take it personal. A moron is someone who could have had the understanding they needed by refused it for some strange subjective reason. The Bible refers to them as foolish or one who rejects wisdom. It is not a wise thing to say that the church is some how spiritual Israel. A Jew is a Jew, unless they have believed upon Christ as their Saviour, then they are neither Jew or Greek but one in Christ as His body and members in particular.
Israel is Israel until they come out from their unbelief. Israel is Israel and living in Israel with many that are daily going back to their homeland. Israel is not the church and if you think that they are you have lost your objective marbles in the word. They are still waiting upon Messiah to come and He will come a second time being rejected in the first. Don't respond but just in a loving way be quiet and don't say anything because I do not want to hear what you have to say. I think you can understand that as a (51) year old man. It would do you good to humble yourself in front of others instead of wagging your tongue.
Carried away in the Spirit to THE Holy Jerusalem.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Seems like the Spirit is the most important thing since that is where the Holy City is and that is where and what God is.
Maybe we should look at the Rapture from a spiritual perspective?
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Blar Blar Blar as you say...you do go no wagging your tongue.
It’s funny, I quoted 2 Bible verses to you about the Jews, and striate away you say stop trying to be spiritual Israel LOL
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Wow you can’t help yourself can you, you have to do the name calling thing? And you think its Ok.
“The Bible refers to them as foolish or one who rejects wisdom”.
Here is some wisdom for you. you need to stop calling people names but I have a feeling, you will rejects wisdom as you put it.
I know you don’t want to go through the great tribulation, and you find any interpretation you can to make you feel better about it.You are never going to get any faith from the Bible to go through the great tribulation if you think the bible talking too and about or someone else.
It’s funny, I quoted 2 Bible verses to you about the Jews, and striate away you say stop trying to be spiritual Israel LOL
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Wow you can’t help yourself can you, you have to do the name calling thing? And you think its Ok.
“The Bible refers to them as foolish or one who rejects wisdom”.
Here is some wisdom for you. you need to stop calling people names but I have a feeling, you will rejects wisdom as you put it.
I know you don’t want to go through the great tribulation, and you find any interpretation you can to make you feel better about it.You are never going to get any faith from the Bible to go through the great tribulation if you think the bible talking too and about or someone else.
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Promising Christians, a promise that God never ever made a pre-tribulation rapture.
And you guys are the minister of that promise.
It would be all so funny if it wasn’t so evil and such a doctrine of darkness.
Promising them something they can’t have. It’s going to upset a lot of Christians when they realise the tribulation is coming, and think that God lied to them. All because the pre-tribulation false prophets and there pride, that want to be the leaders and the teachers of the Christian faith.
And you guys are the minister of that promise.
It would be all so funny if it wasn’t so evil and such a doctrine of darkness.
Promising them something they can’t have. It’s going to upset a lot of Christians when they realise the tribulation is coming, and think that God lied to them. All because the pre-tribulation false prophets and there pride, that want to be the leaders and the teachers of the Christian faith.
I hate ruptures 
Originally Posted by peacefulbeliever
There’s not rupture before the tribulation in them verses peacefulbeliever.
Come on, stop beating about the bush and show us the pre-tribulation coming in the bible
There’s not rupture before the tribulation in them verses peacefulbeliever.
Come on, stop beating about the bush and show us the pre-tribulation coming in the bible
I don't know how the above got posted under my name, but I sure didn't say the above.
I posted the following question to AnandaHya's post but haven't received a repsonse.
In reference to the gathering together happening in Jesus generation - In Luke 4:18-21 Jesus read from the book (scroll) of Esaias (Isaiah). He knew exactly when to start reading and when to stop. He stopped reading with "To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord and sat down saying, "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Why did Jesus not read the whole verse from Isaiah 61:2?
Maybe someone would like to answer?
Yes, this is applicable to the church, the body of Christ but it sure meant something to the Jews in the OT and gospels.
This too is applicable to the church, the body of Christ. And trying to apply the OT to the body of Christ keeps minds blinded: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 2 Cor. 3:14,15
For whatsoever things were written aforetime was written for our learning. . . Romans 15:4
In Christ. . .
In reference to the gathering together happening in Jesus generation - In Luke 4:18-21 Jesus read from the book (scroll) of Esaias (Isaiah). He knew exactly when to start reading and when to stop. He stopped reading with "To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord and sat down saying, "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Why did Jesus not read the whole verse from Isaiah 61:2?
Maybe someone would like to answer?
Yes, this is applicable to the church, the body of Christ but it sure meant something to the Jews in the OT and gospels.
This too is applicable to the church, the body of Christ. And trying to apply the OT to the body of Christ keeps minds blinded: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 2 Cor. 3:14,15
For whatsoever things were written aforetime was written for our learning. . . Romans 15:4
In Christ. . .
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Hi Peacefulbeliever, I'm having technical difficulties with my computer...
Jesus stated certain things would happen in HIS generation and I believe they did.
This is talking about the destruction of the TEMPLE which we know historically happened in 70 AD. Many of Jesus language is in parables and refers to spiritual things. I believe they have been fulfilled because Jesus said that THIS generation would not pass away without it happening. Either you believe what God says or you make excuses to believe your own theology and doctrine.
How would you read verse 34?
lets examine the reference texts...
Jesus stated certain things would happen in HIS generation and I believe they did.
This is talking about the destruction of the TEMPLE which we know historically happened in 70 AD. Many of Jesus language is in parables and refers to spiritual things. I believe they have been fulfilled because Jesus said that THIS generation would not pass away without it happening. Either you believe what God says or you make excuses to believe your own theology and doctrine.
How would you read verse 34?
lets examine the reference texts...