Replacement theology.

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Lucy-Pevensie

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I disagree and this is ONE of the reasons I disagree.

Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
He that overcometh is a PILLAR in the temple of God. We know just from that Heavenly Jerusalem is not a physical temple.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Peter tells us that Heavenly Jerusalem is a SPIRITUAL HOUSE.

This is just one line of proof that Heavenly Jerusalem has ALREADY come down and we should be living in it right now.
It's not proof that the Kingdom of God or the New Jerusalem are a Greek-style transcendental spiritual realm.
His kingdom is spiritual yes but we won't exist forever in non-corporeal bodies. Jesus is alive physically.

Again. The New Jerusalem is YET to come. You are getting ahead of yourself. There is still past, present & future.
We are still in a world that experiences death.


Revelation 21 This is future. Yet to come.

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true
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Lev 26 40 ‘But if they confess their wrongdoing and the wrongdoing of their forefathers, in their unfaithfulness which they committed against Me, and also in their acting with hostility against Me— 41 I also was acting with hostility against them, to bring them into the land of their enemies—or if their uncircumcised heart is humbled so that they then make amends for their wrongdoing, 42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and I will remember also My covenant with Isaac, and My covenant with Abraham as well, and I will remember the land.



Ezekiel 37: And say to them, ‘This is what the Lord God says: “Behold, I am going to take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations, and no longer be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their offenses; but I will rescue them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. And they will be My people, and I will be their God.



Ezekiel 20: 39 “As for you, house of Israel,” this is what the Lord God says: “Go, serve, everyone of you his idols; [aa]but later you will certainly listen to Me, and My holy name you will no longer defile with your gifts and your idols. 40 For on My holy mountain, on the high mountain of Israel,” declares the Lord God, “there the entire house of Israel, all of them, will serve Me in the land; there I will accept them and there I will demand your contributions and the choicest of your gifts, with all your holy things. 41 [ab]As a soothing aroma I will accept you when I bring you out from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered; and I will show Myself to be holy among you in the sight of the nations. 42 And you will know that I am the Lord, when I bring you into the land of Israel, into the land which I swore to give to your forefathers



Ezekiel 36: 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will [e]loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”

33 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. 34 The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’ 36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”


according to @KJV1611 God lied in these and other promises. Notice the bolded part, he will twist and say it is not physical israel, yet it fits no other entity
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Ok, you're the person who says God haters supersede God's chosen people.... I think you're the one who needs to reexamine your position.
No one is claiming that. You are labelling Jews as eternal God haters.
God has promised otherwise. Repeatedly. He will rescue them and they will mourn for him & repent.
People are trying to tell you that our God does not break his promises.

" I swear by myself says Yahweh"

If he broke his promises, our salvation would be worthless.
 
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No one is claiming that. You are labelling Jews as eternal God haters.
God has promised otherwise. Repeatedly. He will rescue them and they will mourn for him & repent.
People are trying to tell you that our God does not break his promises.

" I swear by myself says Yahweh"

If he broke his promises, our salvation would be worthless.
a point I have been trying to make also, amen and amen
 

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And you would think that shouldn't have to be debated.
Right. I showed e-g the land promise was to Christ. Then he ignores what the NT says and diverts the conversation to Israel leaving Egypt. I show him how the NT says Israel leaving Egypt is figurative of Christ and he ignores it.
 
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Right. I showed e-g the land promise was to Christ. Then he ignores what the NT says and diverts the conversation to Israel leaving Egypt. I show him how the NT says Israel leaving Egypt is figurative of Christ and he ignores it.
You showed Me your opinion and changed the wording of scripture in doing it
Shane on you
 
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Right. I showed e-g the land promise was to Christ. Then he ignores what the NT says and diverts the conversation to Israel leaving Egypt. I show him how the NT says Israel leaving Egypt is figurative of Christ and he ignores it.
Also

Christ gets the whole earth not just one plot of land.
 

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You showed Me your opinion and changed the wording of scripture in doing it
Shane on you
No, it's the Apostles teaching. Your belief that the one child the promise was made to is Isaac is what Judaism teaches. Inserting Christ in the text where seed is used doesnt change the meaning of what the NT Jewish writer said about his own scriptures. You dont know more than he did.
 
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No, it's the Apostles teaching. Your belief that the one child the promise was made to is Isaac is what Judaism teaches. Inserting Christ in the text where seed is used doesnt change the meaning of what the NT Jewish writer said about his own scriptures. You dont know more than he did.
Yet you have failed to show it. And you changed the wording

all those passage above, where god said he would REBUILD and RESTOR that which was destroyed or scattered because of sin, you have failed to show how new jerusalem was destroyed because of sin, or how all,the children of Israel by birth were given that promise, punished if they failed (lev 26) and restored if they repented (lev 26)

you have a doctrine based on personal belief which has god refusing to keep his promises
 

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Also

Christ gets the whole earth not just one plot of land.
Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire

The New Creation, In A New Heaven Earth, Jerusalem For Eternity

There Will Be No Millennium On This Earth At The Return Of Jesus Christ, It Will Be Fire Time
 
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Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire

The New Creation, In A New Heaven Earth, Jerusalem For Eternity

There Will BeNo Millennium On This Earth At The Return Of Jesus Christ, It Will Be Fire Time
Then God lied
 

Truth7t7

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God Dosent Lie,You Have Been Misled

Ezekiel is doing nothing more than explaining the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple that was built in 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, you falsely believe it's a future Millennial Temple on this earth, wrong

Ezekiel chapters 47-48 is the Eternal Kingdom,its that simple

P.S. nice seeing that capital (G)
 

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Yet you have failed to show it. And you changed the wording

all those passage above, where god said he would REBUILD and RESTOR that which was destroyed or scattered because of sin, you have failed to show how new jerusalem was destroyed because of sin, or how all,the children of Israel by birth were given that promise, punished if they failed (lev 26) and restored if they repented (lev 26)

you have a doctrine based on personal belief which has god refusing to keep his promises
The terms seed and Christ are interchangeable in how Paul used them concerning that text and the new Jerusalem consists of people who formerly were a mess because of sin. This is something any grown up Christian shouldn't be confused about or have to have explained to them.
 
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Gen 17 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the landof Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Once again, Canaan CAN NOT be the promised land because Abraham never inherited Canaan yet the bible says Abraham inherited the promise land.

Heb 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Heb 6:14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
Heb 6:15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
 
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Right. I showed e-g the land promise was to Christ. Then he ignores what the NT says and diverts the conversation to Israel leaving Egypt. I show him how the NT says Israel leaving Egypt is figurative of Christ and he ignores it.
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No one is claiming that. You are labelling Jews as eternal God haters.
God has promised otherwise. Repeatedly. He will rescue them and they will mourn for him & repent.
People are trying to tell you that our God does not break his promises.

" I swear by myself says Yahweh"

If he broke his promises, our salvation would be worthless.
I am in no way labeling all Jews as God haters. The Jewish God lovers are God's chosen people, the God haters aren't. Why on earth would you believe God would make God haters any promises other than eternity in hell?

People are trying to tell me that God's chosen people are the lost Jews which is the exact opposite of the truth.
 

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The Truth

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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The terms seed and Christ are interchangeable in how Paul used them concerning that text and the new Jerusalem consists of people who formerly were a mess because of sin. This is something any grown up Christian shouldn't be confused about or have to have explained to them.
Well it couldbe
but improved to you using gen 17 in that case it is not so
Christ did not live do 400 years in Egypt