Rev 17, Who is the Woman? Jerusalem Vs Rome

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The woman is far older than the RCC. The RCC is just the present form.


The tower of Babel is where the human souls fell away from Jehovah worship after the cleansing flood. Creation worship had many harlots after that.

She is the incarnation of the mother of harlots. The persecution of Israel is the center of the vision.




But Rome does! Not only the Roman Empire itself but to this present day.

1st, remember that the iron legs of the statue in Dan 2 are the Roman Empire and it's remains until this present time. It shows the nations that rule over the people of Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem, Not the planet, the people of Israel.

2nd, don't forget about the dark ages, middle ages, and more recent times when the RCC murdered the people of Israel. The power over Israel was sustained from the invasion of Israel in 63 bc, until 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to Israel, then the iron toes ended.

In this present time there are 1,285,000,000 RCC catholic world wide, roughly 17% of the worlds population (2015). So the power of the Roman Vatican nation is still significant. Do not underestimate the power of the Antichrist to deceive people so that they cannot find the truth and salvation.




If the beast is Rome (iron legs), then the woman is the city of Rome that she sits on Rev 17:18.




What's a BTG?.......
BTG is short for Babylon the Great.

If you look at what Babel originally represented- it wasn't about religion- and how it parallels with the prophesied Woman (BTG), then you would understand why trying to limit it to Jerusalem and Rome is an exercise in futility.

But, this is your topic and it looks like there are many here who are sure it is either one or the other.
 

Locutus

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John states the two witnesses were killed in Jerusalem

Rom 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

John does not change the definition of the great city to another great city any where thereafter.
 

kaijo

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The woman represents the belief system of ancient Babylon. Which have been spread throughout the world and split up between all the cultures / religions of the past, to the present.

The seven hills / mountains represent the seven heads of the beast. Which are seven eras of ruling world powers of which this belief system, whether in entirety or in part, have been the core foundation of that society (which is why the woman is portrayed as riding the beast). Babylon being the 1st of the seven heads /world powers (with Nebuchadnezzar as king). Who is also the first beast in Daniels vision (The lion with eagle wings). As well as being the head of gold in Nebuchadnezzar's dream as well.

Rome represents the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th heads of the beast. Who is also the third beast in Daniels vision (The leopard with 4 heads). As well as being the belly and thighs of bronze in Nebuchadnezzar's dream also.
 

iamsoandso

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John states the two witnesses were killed in Jerusalem

Rom 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

John does not change the definition of the great city to another great city any where thereafter.

lol, Revelation 17:12-18 is the hurdle though, that is how to explain Rome dividing into two then into ten between ad64 and ad70 and why is Revelation 17:12 "no kingdom yet"...
 

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When Nimrod died - his wife, Semiramis, declared that he had
now been reborn through their son, Tammuz
and thus we get the first Babylonian representation of a
divine trinity that is also present in Hinduism.
Satan is always on the job. A liar from the beginning.


 

Lafftur

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This is just what I think, I could be wrong but, anyways..........

The scarlet woman on the scarlet beast in Revelation 17 is "temptation" revealed as a person. Satan was tempted and fell into temptation when he wanted to be like the Most High. Satan is the scarlet beast and temptation is the scarlet woman that rides and rules over Satan.

Even John "marvels" at her. We all "marvel" at temptation otherwise, we would not be tempted.

Jesus told us to "Pray that you do not fall into temptation."

There are layers of truth in the scriptures. What I think could just be a layer and others may have insight into other layers.
 
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Hello All,

Here is my thoughts on this subject:


21 Scriptural Proofs that Zionist Israel is Mystery, Babylon the Great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccyfgVkZxU&t=55s

Jews who started the Roman Catholic Church.

The Two Peters – One An Apostle And One The First Pope
The Two Peters – One Apostle And One Pope, Simon The Sorceror

Catholic Church Always Crypto Jewish
https://www.henrymakow.com/catholic-church-always-crypto-jewish.html

The Jesuits of the Roman Catholic Church were cryptic Jews that was responsible for the persecution and slaughter of many Christians.

The Jews were responsible for the killing of the prophets

Thus, the Jews were responsible for killing the prophets and Christians

The present Pope is a Jesuit Jew


Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Two horns (Rome and Jerusalem)

The man of sin that will be sitting in the temple of God in Jerusalem is probably the pope.

The rituals of the Catholic church are a mimic of the rituals of Zionist Jews.

Many of the Jews that came out of Babylon adhered to that religion

Seven Hills can also be found in Jerusalem.

The Seven Hills of Jerusalem
 

kaijo

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This video will explain CLEARLY the history of the Catholic church, as well as the absolute influence that Nimrod, his wife Semiramis and their "supposed" child Tamuz had, and still has, on all the religions of the world from times past up till the present.

If you are only interested in the part about Nimrod, Semiramis and Tamuz...then skip to 29:50

Trust me, u dont want to miss this.

[video=youtube;EclnR63AeRY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EclnR63AeRY[/video]
 

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[video=youtube;SHzEW3rdWNE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHzEW3rdWNE[/video]


Can we trust man knowledge over God Word , who's blood was spilled in the dark ages , by the brutal power of Thee Roman Catholic Church.

God's warning to Christians is that, it does matter what we believe, we are either following mans traditions, deceptions and lies or God's Word.


The ecumenical movement has its hand in nearly all denominations via the hidden hand of the jesuits.

Shalom
 
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Waggles

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Hey Kaijo
watched your video and agree wholeheartedly
very good traditional solid Reformation and Pentecostal teaching
on Rome and the Papacy as anti-Christ and incorporating pagan
Babylonian/Assyrian symbology, history and doctrines of worship.
We get talks on this from some of our Pastors

A most excellent video - I recommend it to you abcdef

It is astounding the think that some religious symbols and
doctrines have 6,000 years of continuous history - being transformed
in use and known by different names but going all the way back to
Nimrod and Nineveh.

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