Rev; 22, 18 & 19

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calibob

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I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

I was taught no valid doctrines after that point can ever exist. They are only to be taken as commentaries, suggestions or opinions and are not the word of God but of people. There are no other valid Bible texts. Let's just talk about it like adults.
 

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Interesting thing about the book of Revelation is that it is the only book of the bible that explicitly state that there is a blessing for those that read and hear the words of that book.
 

JaumeJ

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CB your quote from revelation is the reason why I never pronounce on the meanings or interpretations of prophecy in Daniel and Revelation, but I do read them in wonder. Great post,.,.thank you and God bless you.
 

glf1

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Rev 22:19 KJV "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
 

Locutus

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I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

I was taught no valid doctrines after that point can ever exist. They are only to be taken as commentaries, suggestions or opinions and are not the word of God but of people. There are no other valid Bible texts. Let's just talk about it like adults.
Do you mean "no valid doctrines after that point can ever exist" in regards to the book of Revelation itself Bob or other scripture?
 
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"4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Does anyone know who the beast is?
 

glf1

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"4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Does anyone know who the beast is?
Hey! devoiler...
I suspect that the beast, which will be made in the image of the anti-christ by the false prophet; will be a satanic clone. The evil one, who has never been very creative, struggles to be like the Most High with his own vain attempt at a carnal Pseudo trinity.
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I was taught no valid doctrines after that point can ever exist. They are only to be taken as commentaries, suggestions or opinions and are not the word of God but of people. There are no other valid Bible texts. Let's just talk about it like adults.

Regarding "doctrine(s)"

FROM THE BIBLE DICTIONARY

(excerpt)

Doctrine
(Gk. didaskalia [didaskaliva]). Act of teaching or that which is taught. The use of the term in Scripture, however, is broader than a simple reference to information passed on from one person to another or from one generation to the next. Christianity is a religion founded on a message of good news rooted in the significance of the life of Jesus Christ. In Scripture, then, doctrine refers to the entire body of essential theological truths that define and describe that message ( 1 Tim 1:10 ; 4:16 ; 6:3 ; Titus 1:9 ). The message includes historical facts, such as those regarding the events of the life of Jesus Christ ( 1 Cor 11:23 ). But it is deeper than biographical facts alone. As J. Gresham Machen pointed out years ago, Jesus' death is an integral historical fact but it is not doctrine. Jesus' death for sins ( 1 Cor 15:3 ) is doctrine. Doctrine, then, is scriptural teaching on theological truths.


(found here)

Doctrine Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary


............and an interesting excerpt states:

Christianity is a way of life founded on doctrine. Some disparage doctrine in favor of the spiritual life. Paul, however, taught that spiritual growth in Christ is dependent on faithfulness to sound doctrine, for its truth provides the means of growth ( Col 2:6 ). The apostle John developed three tests for discerning authentic spirituality: believing right doctrine ( 1 Jo 2:18-27 ), obedience to right doctrine (2:28-3:10), and giving expression to right doctrine with love (2:7-11). Faithful obedience and love, then, are not alternatives to sound doctrine. They are the fruit of right doctrine as it works itself out in the believer's character and relationships.

So, I'm not sure how this applies to your statement.........but it is worthy of consideration
 

calibob

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Do you mean "no valid doctrines after that point can ever exist" in regards to the book of Revelation itself Bob or other scripture?
No. I said or tried to say that's what I was taught.

I heard of Martin Luther about 20 years after I was saved and started hearing about Calvin here 40 years after. I only received teachings directly from the bible before. I did receive teaching about the bible from people like J. Vernon Magee, Walter Martin, Jimmy Swaggart, Hal Lindsey (lol) and Gen. Booth. The Christians I associated with recognized they were opinions' and not to be taken as scripture.

My question regards to how seriously we should take new doctrines such as alcohol, gambling, or mixed marriages are sins. And what authority do men have to make such determinations in absence of sound clear scripture?

I recognize many of us are polarized to extremes' about what I consider only men's and sometimes women opinion's. The bible education I received was non-denominational from a non-denominational school that didn't try to oppress conflicting ideas as much as to unite under the common banner of Christianity.
 

calibob

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Do you mean "no valid doctrines after that point can ever exist" in regards to the book of Revelation itself Bob or other scripture?
In short I was taught the Bible is finished and things like 'The Book of Mormon' and certain dogmas like 'the perpetual virginity of Mary' are heresies' and proponents of such may be damned. What I itemized are only samples of many of them.
 
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The bible education I received was non-denominational from a non-denominational school that didn't try to oppress conflicting ideas as much as to unite under the common banner of Christianity.
Sounds like the kind of school that I would have liked.
 

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Interesting thing about the book of Revelation is that it is the only book of the bible that explicitly state that there is a blessing for those that read and hear the words of that book.
A deep truth....the word readeth comes from ana-ginosko and means to KNOW AGAIN........think about that one for a moment......
 

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"4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Does anyone know who the beast is?
The beast is unconverted mankind as a restless wanderer formed from the dust of the field as beasts thereof .Cain would be the first revealed.


Genesis 2:19-20 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
 

Locutus

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In short I was taught the Bible is finished and things like 'The Book of Mormon' and certain dogmas like 'the perpetual virginity of Mary' are heresies' and proponents of such may be damned. What I itemized are only samples of many of them.
I'd agree with you on the finishing of bible revelation Bob, Paul stated they would finish in his lifetime.
 

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I'd agree with you on the finishing of bible revelation Bob, Paul stated they would finish in his lifetime.
with that in mind is Revelation the fulfillment of Luke 24:44? (is it describing prophecy or prophesy)?
 

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The truth is there cannot be anything after Revelation 22, for then the saints are with Jesus at the New Jerusalem, a new heaven and earth, and the former heaven and earth are gone, and shall not be remembered, nor come to mind.

So how can you add anything after Revelation 22.

There are some people that add, and take away, by believing what they want to believe concerning the book of Revelation.
 

Locutus

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with that in mind is Revelation the fulfillment of Luke 24:44? (is it describing prophecy or prophesy)?
In some respects both Bro Soandso

Luke 24:47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

I think this is a corresponding verse in John:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.
 

iamsoandso

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In some respects both Bro Soandso

Luke 24:47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

I think this is a corresponding verse in John:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.

What I mean is,is Revelation explaining the fulfillment of things that were already foretold(Luke 24:44) or are they predictions of future events?

why I ask is Jesus refers to things that had already been predicted of him in Luke 24:44 being fulfilled but Joel 2:28,Isaiah 44:3 ect. are saying that the sons and daughters would predict future events after that.
 

Locutus

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What I mean is,is Revelation explaining the fulfillment of things that were already foretold(Luke 24:44) or are they predictions of future events?

why I ask is Jesus refers to things that had already been predicted of him in Luke 24:44 being fulfilled but Joel 2:28,Isaiah 44:3 ect. are saying that the sons and daughters would predict future events after that.
Well, it depends on what you mean by prophecy and prophesy Bro.

Peter did say:

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

And we see Agabus:

Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.

Acts 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.

That said, Paul did predict an end to these things:

1 Cor 13:8 (NASB) Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.