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I understand what you are saying for sure....this is the math that I get when I take the books mentioned and why I believe that there is but 1335 days left when it all starts...
Daniel 9:2 sets forth there is to be 70 years of Babylonian Captivity and that it was about to be fulfilled..
Verse 24-->God is yet to deal with Israel for another 70 weeks (490 years) 70 times 7
Verse 25-->From command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah which is to be 69 weeks (483) years
This was fulfilled at the Baptism and recognition of Jesus by the Father
After the 483 years and Jesus identified as the Messiah by John at Jesus' Baptism
To understand the (62) weeks of verse 26 you must study Ezra and Nehemiah
There is a period of about 52.5 years between the First Command and the Completion in verse 26
434 years after the rebuilding of the Temple the Messiah shall be cut off (Crucifixion)
The people of the prince that shall come (Titus) destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
The 490 years (70 weeks) were put on hold (if you will) after the 486 years which leaves 1290 days left to complete the 490 years
NOTE ABOVE 434+52.5=486.5<-----3.5 years left to wrath when it starts with the opening of the 1st seal! Israel goes by a 360 day year and adds a 13 month every few years to make up the discrepancy between the Jewish and Roman calendars.
I believe the ministry of JESUS lasted just shy of 3.5 years........and when added to the 1335 you get the 7 years to deal with Israel.....they rejected Jesus and therefore will have to endure the last half of the 7 year period....again just my view based upon the math above....
Daniel 9:2 sets forth there is to be 70 years of Babylonian Captivity and that it was about to be fulfilled..
Verse 24-->God is yet to deal with Israel for another 70 weeks (490 years) 70 times 7
Verse 25-->From command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah which is to be 69 weeks (483) years
This was fulfilled at the Baptism and recognition of Jesus by the Father
After the 483 years and Jesus identified as the Messiah by John at Jesus' Baptism
To understand the (62) weeks of verse 26 you must study Ezra and Nehemiah
There is a period of about 52.5 years between the First Command and the Completion in verse 26
434 years after the rebuilding of the Temple the Messiah shall be cut off (Crucifixion)
The people of the prince that shall come (Titus) destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
The 490 years (70 weeks) were put on hold (if you will) after the 486 years which leaves 1290 days left to complete the 490 years
NOTE ABOVE 434+52.5=486.5<-----3.5 years left to wrath when it starts with the opening of the 1st seal! Israel goes by a 360 day year and adds a 13 month every few years to make up the discrepancy between the Jewish and Roman calendars.
I believe the ministry of JESUS lasted just shy of 3.5 years........and when added to the 1335 you get the 7 years to deal with Israel.....they rejected Jesus and therefore will have to endure the last half of the 7 year period....again just my view based upon the math above....
K
I do believe He who restrains is the Holy Spirit, but it can not be the church also because the church is never given the masculine term. The church is always listed as in the feminine term, so "he" that restrains can not be the church.
This is a subject that can be taken both ways, and I have believed both post and pre trib in the past.
I happen to actually side with Dcon on this because we can not be gathered away tell after the man of sin is revealed, and the bible clearly says this is when he does the A.O.D. which takes place in the middle of the final 7 year tribulation period.
The man of sin does sign a treaty/covenant to begin the final 7 years, however the reason the bible points to the A.O.D. as the spot we will really know is because in history there has been other treaties signed. We will not know for sure which will be the exact treaty unless it is broken in the middle by the man of sin, and either the temple is built prior to or part of the condition of the treaty to begin with.
K
Me and you do see eye to eye on the post trib point of view, however I do not believe that the Lord's earthly ministry was the first half of the final 7 years leaving the final 3 1/2 years for the man of sin.
Daniel 9:27 clearly shows that the prince spoke of in verse 26 is the one who confirms the covenant, the prince spoke of in verse 26 is the man of sin. We know this because it says his people destroy the city and the temple, this was done by the Romans in 70 A.D. The sacrifices after the Lord was crucified still continued tell the Romans destroyed the temple, and the Jews state they will return to animal sacrifice when the temple is rebuilt.
P
You don't get it do you?
I am showing you that you can not include the pretrib verses. You want others to offer you through their effort and do your homework.
It is obvious that you wwill not go there. It says in rev "every man,woman and clild" aall are killed refusing the mark.
This is why I say skip it because that is what postribs do. They litterally skip anything that muddies up their doctrine.
It is like some force keeps you from those verses.
I say it is in fact there for anyone with a bible to see. Look it up,or skip it. Up to you to do your own homework.
I am showing you that you can not include the pretrib verses. You want others to offer you through their effort and do your homework.
It is obvious that you wwill not go there. It says in rev "every man,woman and clild" aall are killed refusing the mark.
This is why I say skip it because that is what postribs do. They litterally skip anything that muddies up their doctrine.
It is like some force keeps you from those verses.
I say it is in fact there for anyone with a bible to see. Look it up,or skip it. Up to you to do your own homework.
K
You do understand that when the bible uses "ALL" some of the time it does not actually mean all people ?
If all die for refusing the mark who are the Jews still standing when the Lord returns, as the bible clearly shows that during the millennial reign their will be believers in Him that are still alive in the flesh. Not all have been transformed into spiritual bodies at this point, and after satan is released he gathers Gog of Magog together to fight against the Lord and the others on earth.
Sure He will...
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Cool....Your half way there 
Let us examine this.....
vs. 24 70 weeks determined upon Israel to...
a) To finish the transgression<--pay the price for their sin
b) To make an end of sins
c) To make reconciliation for iniquity
d) To bring in everlasting righteousness
e) To seal up the VISION and prophet (prophesy)
f) To anoint the MOST HOLY
Verse 25 FROM the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto MESSIAH the PRINCE shall be 69 WEEKS, the street and wall shall be built again even in troublous times.....
Jesus was identified as the Messiah and the Prince of God (SON) by John the Baptist, and the Heavenly Father at the immersion of JESUS<---Behold the son of God which takes away the sin of the world...this also fits within the scope of verse 24....
From Command to rebuild Jerusalem to Jesus being identified as the messiah is 69 WEEKS of the 70...that leave exactly 7 years left.....
VERSE 26... AFTER three score and two weeks MESSIAH SHALL BE CUT OFF, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF (crucifixion) 62 weeks is 7 weeks short of the 69 weeks so how do we deal with that......That is 434 years and it is obvious that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ fulfilled b, c and d above....that is where Ezra and Nehemiah come in....there was about 52.5 years between the 1st Command and it's fulfillment in verse 26.....
434 years after rebuilding the TEMPLE Jesus was Crucified when you add 434 years to the 52.5 years between the command to rebuild and the fulfillment in verse 26....
434 + 52.5 = 486.5
490 - 486.5 = 3.5
That is how I come up with the numbers........
The AC gets 3.5 years
The two witnesses witness 3.5 years
The AC wears out the saints, prevails against them and makes war against them for 3.5 years
Daniel testifies there is 1335 days left that deals with the great tribulation which is 75 days longer than the 3.5 years listed above...
if You add 1335 to the 3.5 years you get a period 75 days longer than 7 years.....
Just food for thought....
Let us examine this.....
vs. 24 70 weeks determined upon Israel to...
a) To finish the transgression<--pay the price for their sin
b) To make an end of sins
c) To make reconciliation for iniquity
d) To bring in everlasting righteousness
e) To seal up the VISION and prophet (prophesy)
f) To anoint the MOST HOLY
Verse 25 FROM the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto MESSIAH the PRINCE shall be 69 WEEKS, the street and wall shall be built again even in troublous times.....
Jesus was identified as the Messiah and the Prince of God (SON) by John the Baptist, and the Heavenly Father at the immersion of JESUS<---Behold the son of God which takes away the sin of the world...this also fits within the scope of verse 24....
From Command to rebuild Jerusalem to Jesus being identified as the messiah is 69 WEEKS of the 70...that leave exactly 7 years left.....
VERSE 26... AFTER three score and two weeks MESSIAH SHALL BE CUT OFF, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF (crucifixion) 62 weeks is 7 weeks short of the 69 weeks so how do we deal with that......That is 434 years and it is obvious that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ fulfilled b, c and d above....that is where Ezra and Nehemiah come in....there was about 52.5 years between the 1st Command and it's fulfillment in verse 26.....
434 years after rebuilding the TEMPLE Jesus was Crucified when you add 434 years to the 52.5 years between the command to rebuild and the fulfillment in verse 26....
434 + 52.5 = 486.5
490 - 486.5 = 3.5
That is how I come up with the numbers........
The AC gets 3.5 years
The two witnesses witness 3.5 years
The AC wears out the saints, prevails against them and makes war against them for 3.5 years
Daniel testifies there is 1335 days left that deals with the great tribulation which is 75 days longer than the 3.5 years listed above...
if You add 1335 to the 3.5 years you get a period 75 days longer than 7 years.....
Just food for thought....
Cool....Your half way there
Let us examine this.....
vs. 24 70 weeks determined upon Israel to...
a) To finish the transgression<--pay the price for their sin
b) To make an end of sins
c) To make reconciliation for iniquity
d) To bring in everlasting righteousness
e) To seal up the VISION and prophet (prophesy)
f) To anoint the MOST HOLY
Verse 25 FROM the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto MESSIAH the PRINCE shall be 69 WEEKS, the street and wall shall be built again even in troublous times.....
Jesus was identified as the Messiah and the Prince of God (SON) by John the Baptist, and the Heavenly Father at the immersion of JESUS<---Behold the son of God which takes away the sin of the world...this also fits within the scope of verse 24....
From Command to rebuild Jerusalem to Jesus being identified as the messiah is 69 WEEKS of the 70...that leave exactly 7 years left.....
VERSE 26... AFTER three score and two weeks MESSIAH SHALL BE CUT OFF, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF (crucifixion) 62 weeks is 7 weeks short of the 69 weeks so how do we deal with that......That is 434 years and it is obvious that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ fulfilled b, c and d above....that is where Ezra and Nehemiah come in....there was about 52.5 years between the 1st Command and it's fulfillment in verse 26.....
434 years after rebuilding the TEMPLE Jesus was Crucified when you add 434 years to the 52.5 years between the command to rebuild and the fulfillment in verse 26....
434 + 52.5 = 486.5
490 - 486.5 = 3.5
That is how I come up with the numbers........
The AC gets 3.5 years
The two witnesses witness 3.5 years
The AC wears out the saints, prevails against them and makes war against them for 3.5 years
Daniel testifies there is 1335 days left that deals with the great tribulation which is 75 days longer than the 3.5 years listed above...
if You add 1335 to the 3.5 years you get a period 75 days longer than 7 years.....
Just food for thought....
Let us examine this.....
vs. 24 70 weeks determined upon Israel to...
a) To finish the transgression<--pay the price for their sin
b) To make an end of sins
c) To make reconciliation for iniquity
d) To bring in everlasting righteousness
e) To seal up the VISION and prophet (prophesy)
f) To anoint the MOST HOLY
Verse 25 FROM the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto MESSIAH the PRINCE shall be 69 WEEKS, the street and wall shall be built again even in troublous times.....
Jesus was identified as the Messiah and the Prince of God (SON) by John the Baptist, and the Heavenly Father at the immersion of JESUS<---Behold the son of God which takes away the sin of the world...this also fits within the scope of verse 24....
From Command to rebuild Jerusalem to Jesus being identified as the messiah is 69 WEEKS of the 70...that leave exactly 7 years left.....
VERSE 26... AFTER three score and two weeks MESSIAH SHALL BE CUT OFF, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF (crucifixion) 62 weeks is 7 weeks short of the 69 weeks so how do we deal with that......That is 434 years and it is obvious that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ fulfilled b, c and d above....that is where Ezra and Nehemiah come in....there was about 52.5 years between the 1st Command and it's fulfillment in verse 26.....
434 years after rebuilding the TEMPLE Jesus was Crucified when you add 434 years to the 52.5 years between the command to rebuild and the fulfillment in verse 26....
434 + 52.5 = 486.5
490 - 486.5 = 3.5
That is how I come up with the numbers........
The AC gets 3.5 years
The two witnesses witness 3.5 years
The AC wears out the saints, prevails against them and makes war against them for 3.5 years
Daniel testifies there is 1335 days left that deals with the great tribulation which is 75 days longer than the 3.5 years listed above...
if You add 1335 to the 3.5 years you get a period 75 days longer than 7 years.....
Just food for thought....