Revelation

[dcontroversal]

No,I believe mat 25 declares it.



No,there is no evidence,zero,that the 2 witnesses are anything but a separate resserection and rapture. You are reaching far,far,far.



Doctrine? or word of God?
Revelation states ALL DIE. What part of that do you refuse to believe?

Quote the verse in Revelation that states verbatim that ALL DIE

 

[popeye]

Not all will die, even in the end at the end of the 1000 years. Jesus kills satans new army, then destroys the world. People will be alive then, I am sure unless jesus kills them when he destroys the world. there will be people who never die, not to mention, two men in the OT did not die.

The word declares that all refusing the mark die.All. I don't pull it from the sky,the word decllares it.

So unless you think there are actual saints with satan written on their foreheads in the gt,then the word stands on its own.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A couple of things to ponder.....

At the end of the 1000 year reign where do all of the lost come from who are gathered by Satan for one final assault....the saved are like the angels in heaven...neither marrying and or given in marriage.....who repopulates the waste cities of the planet....I know the remnant of Israel is brought all the way through and repopulates the waste cities of ISRAEL, it seems Egypt takes a massive blow and is uninhabitable for 40 years and is not one third of GOG left....?

the lost are the people who followed the beast.
there will people saved all over. the OT prophets say the nations will know Jesus chose isreal. kind of hard if there were no saved of those nations who witnessed the destruction of the beast and the unsaved.. or if they were all raptured at that time.

I believe more people will be saved during the tribulation then at any time on earth, except MAYBE immediately following the ascention of Christ, but it may be bigger than that

 

[popeye]

Quote the verse in Revelation that states verbatim that ALL DIE

"every man ,woman,and child,both rich and poor,bond and free.......all are killed who refuse the mark"

Or something like this. Look it up,do your due diligance

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The word declares that all refusing the mark die.All. I don't pull it from the sky,the word decllares it.

So unless you think there are actual saints with satan written on their foreheads in the gt,then the word stands on its own.

um you said all.. this is not all. this is people who recieve the mark, Not everyone recieve the mark, so not all will die at the return of christ.

totally different context.

 

[dcontroversal]

yeah, and that would support all theories,,

so we have to go elswhere.

as for the massive evangelical movement, it would be needed if the rapture takes place. no one would be left behind..

Unless the rapture is pre-wrath

 

[dcontroversal]

"every man ,woman,and child,both rich and poor,bond and free.......all are killed who refuse the mark"

Or something like this. Look it up,do your due diligance

HAHAHA your the one that referenced it.....you should be able to quote it or know the reference...........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Unless the rapture is pre-wrath

yeah but that would make it mid trib, not post trib.

or pre trib, depending on how you read it.. not post trib, Gods wrath already occured and has been occuring for 3.5 years, unless you call it the time of jacobs trouble, which is 7 years.

 

[popeye]

do you see me judging Dcon? or anyone else. because of their belief?

Wow,it is like you are judging me or something LOL.

See how easy that is?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow,it is like you are judging me or something LOL.

See how easy that is?

I am just calling you out.

I am not judging your salvation, or belief system. just trying to help keep it civilized in here.

 

[popeye]

HAHAHA your the one that referenced it.....you should be able to quote it or know the reference...........

OK,skip it.
You will never know......interesting.

 

[dcontroversal]

"every man ,woman,and child,both rich and poor,bond and free.......all are killed who refuse the mark"

Or something like this. Look it up,do your due diligance

Here I will help you....

.....and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed<------no word all found

Now all is applied unto those who are not found written in the book of life...they will receive the mark

REVELATION 13

 

[popeye]

I am just calling you out.

I am not judging your salvation, or belief system. just trying to help keep it civilized in here.

OK, padner,high noon in front of the Buck's stable.

You are getting rediculous sir.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here I will help you....

.....and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed<------no word all found

Now all is applied unto those who are not found written in the book of life...they will receive the mark

REVELATION 13

thats still not "all people"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OK, padner,high noon in front of the Buck's stable.

You are getting rediculous sir.

no humility huh?

ya gotta be Like PEM, and a few others in here?

 

[popeye]

Here I will help you....

.....and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed<------no word all found

Now all is applied unto those who are not found written in the book of life...they will receive the mark



REVELATION 13

I see you could not find it.
It really does not matter to me. I already showed you enough. Like I said just skip the the every man,woman child part...... you will never know....interesting

 

[dcontroversal]

yeah but that would make it mid trib, not post trib.

or pre trib, depending on how you read it.. not post trib, Gods wrath already occured and has been occuring for 3.5 years, unless you call it the time of jacobs trouble, which is 7 years.

I really believe that the first part of the 7 years was the ministry of Jesus to Israel....Daniel 12 tells us exactly that there is 1335 days left that deal with the great tribulation as applied unto Israel.....

1260 of that being the actual great tribulation which leave 75 days...I really believe that 30 of that is the peace spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 5 and the PEACE that is taken from the earth at the opening of the 2nd seal which is taken from the WORLD.....that leaves 45 days which I believe is the ORGE (wrath) of GOD as opposed to the (thilipsis) tribulation that puts the squeeze on Israel and the Lord's churches or what is left of them......

 

[popeye]

no humility huh?

ya gotta be Like PEM, and a few others in here?

Uh....judging?
Thought we were not to do naughty things like that.

 

[popeye]

thats still not "all people"

All believers.
All believer w/o the mark. all those left behind die in the gt w/o the mark. Bible declares this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I really believe that the first part of the 7 years was the ministry of Jesus to Israel....Daniel 12 tells us exactly that there is 1335 days left that deal with the great tribulation as applied unto Israel.....

1260 of that being the actual great tribulation which leave 75 days...I really believe that 30 of that is the peace spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 5 and the PEACE that is taken from the earth at the opening of the 2nd seal which is taken from the WORLD.....that leaves 45 days which I believe is the ORGE (wrath) of GOD as opposed to the (thilipsis) tribulation that puts the squeeze on Israel and the Lord's churches or what is left of them......

I see it different, the seven years starts with the treaty signed by the man of sin, he breaks that treaty in the middle by committing the abomination of desolation.

not to mention, the 69th week ends precicley (if you look at the data) the day jesus enters Jerusalem on a donkey, one week & 7 days later, messiah was cut off as prophesied.

then daniel shows many years of desolations and wars (wars and rumors of wars as Jesus said) which is the intermediating time,

then the 7 year agreement is made by the man of sin (the start of 7 years) and the middle. the peace is broken by the abomination, as jesus said, great tribulation such as never been seen before or after.