Hebrews 8:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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Christians the new name God named His bride that have been born again are of the Israel of God or called inward Jews born of the Spirit of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
So yes to all Israel in respect to a born again Jew as well as a born again Gentiles. God puts no difference between the two.
Not all Israel is Israel just as all Christians as the same bride of Christ are not Christians.
So yes to all Israel in respect to a born again Jew as well as a born again Gentiles. God puts no difference between the two.
Not all Israel is Israel just as all Christians as the same bride of Christ are not Christians.
If you read various versions of the Word, when Paul is describing wh is a tue Jew, he is not talking about the tribe or the people who then lived in Israel, nor of Christians, for many call themselves Christians.
Is at least one other version, you find it, I am almost blind, he does make reference insted of to Jews to "praisers of Yahweh. You see those who ae true are praisers of God, and tis is what a true Jew is. He is making reference to the meaning of the wordJudah.
When I refer to the Israel of God or the New Jerusalem to come down by God, I am thinking of what the words mean. Just as Bethlehem means House of ¨Bread so Jerusalem...lCity of Yahweh's Peace and Israel - Ruler with Elohim is all in my mind, heart and soul.
Argue this if you will, but I am satisfied that I know this, and I am satisfied I know very little, yet, I know this. This is of study in prayer, meditation and guidance by the HOly Spirit.
It s not difficult if we give credit to our fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob called Israel, as having been caretakers of the Word until Christ....... If this upsets some..it should.
With the above in mind think on, "Now the children of Israel, while they were in the wilderness were disobdient, and by their disobdience salvation was gained by the nations." Think,meditate, and pray on this. It is important.
Is at least one other version, you find it, I am almost blind, he does make reference insted of to Jews to "praisers of Yahweh. You see those who ae true are praisers of God, and tis is what a true Jew is. He is making reference to the meaning of the wordJudah.
When I refer to the Israel of God or the New Jerusalem to come down by God, I am thinking of what the words mean. Just as Bethlehem means House of ¨Bread so Jerusalem...lCity of Yahweh's Peace and Israel - Ruler with Elohim is all in my mind, heart and soul.
Argue this if you will, but I am satisfied that I know this, and I am satisfied I know very little, yet, I know this. This is of study in prayer, meditation and guidance by the HOly Spirit.
It s not difficult if we give credit to our fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob called Israel, as having been caretakers of the Word until Christ....... If this upsets some..it should.
With the above in mind think on, "Now the children of Israel, while they were in the wilderness were disobdient, and by their disobdience salvation was gained by the nations." Think,meditate, and pray on this. It is important.
I taste the New wine and know it is better.. but also know all things came to pass for the New Covenant through the Old so there is no despise.
Peter knew the Words of the Messiah gave eternal life and the Messiah teaches us Love and Truth.
Do you believe outward circumcision and all food requirements are necessary?
Is is it that you believe the Messiah came to teach you how to keep the law of Moses?
Peter knew the Words of the Messiah gave eternal life and the Messiah teaches us Love and Truth.
Do you believe outward circumcision and all food requirements are necessary?
Is is it that you believe the Messiah came to teach you how to keep the law of Moses?
Spiritual food for thought...
The Romans knew of seven bright objects in the sky: the Sun, the Moon, and five brightest planets. They named them after their most important gods. Saturn was named after the Roman god of agriculture. According to myth, Saturn introduced agriculture to his people by teaching them how to farm the land. Saturn was also the Roman god of time and this is perhaps why the slowest (in orbit around the Sun) of the five bright planets was named after him. In Roman mythology, Saturn was the father of Jupiter. Saturday is also named after the Roman god Saturn (Saturn's Day).
The Julian calendar was established in 45 B.C. Like the calendar of the Roman Republic before it, the early Julian calendar had an eight day week! Days of the week on the Republican (Roman Republic) and early Julian calendars were assigned letters: A through H. All early Julian calendars (fasti) still in existence date from 63 B.C. to A.D. 37.
The Baths of Titus, in Rome, were built A.D. 79-81. A stick calendar was found there which clearly shows Saturn, god of agriculture, as god of the first day of the week.
The pagan planetary week, like the Julian calendar that adopted it, is irreparably pagan. Historical facts reveal that neither the Scriptural Sabbath nor the Scriptural First Day can be found using the modern calendar. If it is important to worship on a specific day, than it is also important to use the correct, Scriptural calendar to count to that day.
There were two calendars available to the Israelites of Jesus’ day:
It just might be that the first day of every new moon (biblical term for month) was a Sabbath day. Biblical days are numbered, not named. Which calendar do you think the Israelites (and Jesus) used?
In Exodus 16:1-7, we see the first Sabbath day recognized by Israel after their exodus from Egypt. This makes the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] a Sabbath day. Nevertheless, it appears that the 17[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the first month was a Sabbath day according to Matthew 28:1. Even so, the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] day was a “high day,” in respect to Exodus chapter 16 previously mentioned. More than likely Matthew was written according to the Julian calendar, as was the book of John concerning the time of day.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that God set it up so He gives the “times and seasons” not humans according to our best capabilities
The Romans knew of seven bright objects in the sky: the Sun, the Moon, and five brightest planets. They named them after their most important gods. Saturn was named after the Roman god of agriculture. According to myth, Saturn introduced agriculture to his people by teaching them how to farm the land. Saturn was also the Roman god of time and this is perhaps why the slowest (in orbit around the Sun) of the five bright planets was named after him. In Roman mythology, Saturn was the father of Jupiter. Saturday is also named after the Roman god Saturn (Saturn's Day).
The Julian calendar was established in 45 B.C. Like the calendar of the Roman Republic before it, the early Julian calendar had an eight day week! Days of the week on the Republican (Roman Republic) and early Julian calendars were assigned letters: A through H. All early Julian calendars (fasti) still in existence date from 63 B.C. to A.D. 37.
The Baths of Titus, in Rome, were built A.D. 79-81. A stick calendar was found there which clearly shows Saturn, god of agriculture, as god of the first day of the week.
The pagan planetary week, like the Julian calendar that adopted it, is irreparably pagan. Historical facts reveal that neither the Scriptural Sabbath nor the Scriptural First Day can be found using the modern calendar. If it is important to worship on a specific day, than it is also important to use the correct, Scriptural calendar to count to that day.
There were two calendars available to the Israelites of Jesus’ day:
- The pagan, solar Julian calendar with its eight-day week;
- The Biblical, luni-solar Hebrew calendar with a seven-day week and a weekly cycle that restarted with each new moon.
It just might be that the first day of every new moon (biblical term for month) was a Sabbath day. Biblical days are numbered, not named. Which calendar do you think the Israelites (and Jesus) used?
In Exodus 16:1-7, we see the first Sabbath day recognized by Israel after their exodus from Egypt. This makes the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] a Sabbath day. Nevertheless, it appears that the 17[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the first month was a Sabbath day according to Matthew 28:1. Even so, the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] day was a “high day,” in respect to Exodus chapter 16 previously mentioned. More than likely Matthew was written according to the Julian calendar, as was the book of John concerning the time of day.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that God set it up so He gives the “times and seasons” not humans according to our best capabilities
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Yes he is speaking of the new creation the bride of Christ as those who do have the born again Spirit of Christ seeing if any man has not the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to Him. God is not a man as us . He is Emanuael God with us to deliver us from the wage of sin. He is not Jewish or Gentile.
Yes Judah "Prasied"
Amen.
Yes it should.
It was by a law of the fathers that the Christians were persecuted to death and punished
Thanks .But also note there was salvation before they were used in aparbles as metphors and shadows.
Yes he is speaking of the new creation the bride of Christ as those who do have the born again Spirit of Christ seeing if any man has not the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to Him. God is not a man as us . He is Emanuael God with us to deliver us from the wage of sin. He is not Jewish or Gentile.
Yes Judah "Prasied"
Amen.
Yes it should.
It was by a law of the fathers that the Christians were persecuted to death and punished
Thanks .But also note there was salvation before they were used in aparbles as metphors and shadows.
Yad is praise in Hebrew, also Hand. Yah is God or Self-Existing, Yah and Hoodah means prasie God..Here In Hebrew:
יאודא
I believe this is spelled correctly. Now the history of the word begins with the naming by Leah of Judah. She name the child Judah and said, "Yahweh has given me another child, I will praise Yahweh." The words from teh Hbrew are the root source of Judah.
It is ironic, when man use the word Jew, they are repeating the name of Yahweh, with an acent of course.
I love Hebrew. Reading the Word in Hebrw is always a blessing.
יאודא
I believe this is spelled correctly. Now the history of the word begins with the naming by Leah of Judah. She name the child Judah and said, "Yahweh has given me another child, I will praise Yahweh." The words from teh Hbrew are the root source of Judah.
It is ironic, when man use the word Jew, they are repeating the name of Yahweh, with an acent of course.
I love Hebrew. Reading the Word in Hebrw is always a blessing.
Our forefathers did not have "a law" formally given, no more so than do we now. I only speak of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, for Moses is not counted among them. Everyone descended from Abraham, and including he, are our ancestors.
Up until the law, 430 years after Abraham, the only guidelines were what is referred to as oral tradition. Now that was not tradition as we have known it since Jesus, it was guarded closely, and finally God gave it with more for His wonderful and personal erasons, to be written down.
Up until the law, 430 years after Abraham, the only guidelines were what is referred to as oral tradition. Now that was not tradition as we have known it since Jesus, it was guarded closely, and finally God gave it with more for His wonderful and personal erasons, to be written down.
ok the New Testament
-no good standing with our Savior if you do not believe Moses and the prophets.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I
the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"
If Paul taught against the law (which is not true) then he certainly wouldn't have worshiped
by believing those things written therein. Paul was not a deceiver by opposing his own beliefs
that he taught to others.
after Acts 13, Acts 26:7 (KJV)
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come.
For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
-here Paul says that his hope to come, is in the promises given to the twelve tribes.
Romans 9:4
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,
and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
-the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory, belong to Israel
1. Paul was a Pharisee. A teacher of God's law. He continued to
call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church.
(Acts 23:6) Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees,
called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.
I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."
2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him.
(Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
3. Paul called God's law holy. (Romans 7:12)
So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin.
(1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.
5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.
(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means!
Rather we uphold the law.
6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84
times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.
(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue,
and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.
7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church.
(And ironically, he's still being accused today.)
(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among
the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children
or live according to our customs.
8. These accusations were shown to be false.
(Acts 21:24) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth
in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.
9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this,
and said he does live according to the law.
(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,
10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.
(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.
(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.
(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.
(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,
14. Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.
(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".
Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....
(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".
Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)
17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.
(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.
(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
- those weak and miserable forces where not Gods convocation
19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)
(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."
20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.
(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you
may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
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We're disussing here 2 Timothy 2:11-13
Paul is telling Timothy to be strong. He was Young and Paul wanted to encourage him. He tells him that those who suffer and work for our Lors will be rewarded. I believe it could be said that Timothy was a kind of minister. He was put in charge of churches when Paul himself could not be there. Timothy was to make sure that heresies did not enter the Church and that Paul's instructions were followed.
2 Timothy 2:18 is NOT speaking about a believer that has become a non-believer.
It's speaking about a two men who were saying that the resurrection had already happened - but, of course, it didn't.
These two men strayed from THE TRUTH bothering the faith of some.
It doesn't say they strayed FROM FAITH. There's a difference. We may not know the truth, but still be saved if we believe in Jesus. We could have a doctrine wrong, but still be saved.
As far as this verse, we agree.
Ephesians 4:
I've gone through this so many times, I tire of it.
I'll only say this: We are sealed with the Holy Spirit for as long as WE HAVE the Holy Spirit.
WHO has the Holy Spirit? Does an unbeliver?
If an unbeliever cannot have the Holy Spirit dwelling in him, what's the difference at what point this could happen??
If one does not believe...............................one does not have the Holy Spirit indwelling.
If one believes..........................................he has he Holy Spirit indwelling.
If one stops believing................................he does NOT have the Holy Spirit indwelling.
Are you trying to tell me that the Holy Spirit is able to dwell and abide in a person who does not believe, does not have faith, and is living a worldly life? Can the Holy Spirit dwell in the same space as sin?
Is one who no longer has faith in sin? Is he thus blaspheming the Holy Spirit by denying Him?
While you're thinking of the above (maybe you already have) could you explain
2 Peter 2:20-21?
This is someone who was in the world, was saved, and went back into the world
What about John 15:1-6
IF WE ABIDE in Christ.
Is a non-believer abiding in Christ?
1 Timothy 1:18-19
KEEPING faith and not rejecting it as some had done and shipwrecked their faith.
Hebrews 3:6
We must HOLD FAST our confidence of being in God's house and boast of our hope FIRM UNTI THE END.
Hebrews 3:14
We have become partakers of Christ, IF WE HOLD FAST FIRM UNTIL THE END.
There are many verses such as the above.
But posting verses won't get to the bottom of the question.
Simple common sense will:
If we believe.............we are saved.
If we don't believe.....we are not saved.
The same quality which saved us,
is the same quality that will cause us to become lost again if we lose it.
And NO
2 Timothey 2:11-13
Verses 12 and 13 COULD NOT BOTH be CORRECT.
They're in CONFLICT.
Please learn what it means that GOD IS FAITHFUL TO HIMSELF.
I'm sure you won't take my word for its meaning, but it does NOT mean what you think it does.
If we DENY God, He will deny us.
If we are FAITHLESS, He will remain faithful...
FOR HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF.
It is HIMSELF He cannot deny, NOT US.
What is it that He cannot deny about Himself??
Paul is telling Timothy to be strong. He was Young and Paul wanted to encourage him. He tells him that those who suffer and work for our Lors will be rewarded. I believe it could be said that Timothy was a kind of minister. He was put in charge of churches when Paul himself could not be there. Timothy was to make sure that heresies did not enter the Church and that Paul's instructions were followed.
2 Timothy 2:18 is NOT speaking about a believer that has become a non-believer.
It's speaking about a two men who were saying that the resurrection had already happened - but, of course, it didn't.
These two men strayed from THE TRUTH bothering the faith of some.
It doesn't say they strayed FROM FAITH. There's a difference. We may not know the truth, but still be saved if we believe in Jesus. We could have a doctrine wrong, but still be saved.
As far as this verse, we agree.
Ephesians 4:
I've gone through this so many times, I tire of it.
I'll only say this: We are sealed with the Holy Spirit for as long as WE HAVE the Holy Spirit.
WHO has the Holy Spirit? Does an unbeliver?
If an unbeliever cannot have the Holy Spirit dwelling in him, what's the difference at what point this could happen??
If one does not believe...............................one does not have the Holy Spirit indwelling.
If one believes..........................................he has he Holy Spirit indwelling.
If one stops believing................................he does NOT have the Holy Spirit indwelling.
Are you trying to tell me that the Holy Spirit is able to dwell and abide in a person who does not believe, does not have faith, and is living a worldly life? Can the Holy Spirit dwell in the same space as sin?
Is one who no longer has faith in sin? Is he thus blaspheming the Holy Spirit by denying Him?
While you're thinking of the above (maybe you already have) could you explain
2 Peter 2:20-21?
This is someone who was in the world, was saved, and went back into the world
What about John 15:1-6
IF WE ABIDE in Christ.
Is a non-believer abiding in Christ?
1 Timothy 1:18-19
KEEPING faith and not rejecting it as some had done and shipwrecked their faith.
Hebrews 3:6
We must HOLD FAST our confidence of being in God's house and boast of our hope FIRM UNTI THE END.
Hebrews 3:14
We have become partakers of Christ, IF WE HOLD FAST FIRM UNTIL THE END.
There are many verses such as the above.
But posting verses won't get to the bottom of the question.
Simple common sense will:
If we believe.............we are saved.
If we don't believe.....we are not saved.
The same quality which saved us,
is the same quality that will cause us to become lost again if we lose it.
And NO
2 Timothey 2:11-13
Verses 12 and 13 COULD NOT BOTH be CORRECT.
They're in CONFLICT.
Please learn what it means that GOD IS FAITHFUL TO HIMSELF.
I'm sure you won't take my word for its meaning, but it does NOT mean what you think it does.
If we DENY God, He will deny us.
If we are FAITHLESS, He will remain faithful...
FOR HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF.
It is HIMSELF He cannot deny, NOT US.
What is it that He cannot deny about Himself??
It is interesting how circumcision, not required by grace in Jesus Christ, was given to Arahm as asigne of his faith long before the law was given, 430 years before.
Many people today are circumcised, having noting whatsoever to do with religious purpose, simply because it is a good practice healthwise.....
People who are automatically circumcisized and love Jesus christ, are not at any fault.
It is the heart that counts always.
Many people today are circumcised, having noting whatsoever to do with religious purpose, simply because it is a good practice healthwise.....
People who are automatically circumcisized and love Jesus christ, are not at any fault.
It is the heart that counts always.
First, thank you for this wonderful compilation of meaningful and instructive text from the Word. It speaks mountains of understanding. I believe the Holy ¨Spirit moved you to compile this sensible and accurate treatise of the law with grace..thank you; it is a great work.
Secon, I pray ay who seek to understand why people, though under grace know to be obedient read this. It is fantastic.
Secon, I pray ay who seek to understand why people, though under grace know to be obedient read this. It is fantastic.
Prove-All. That post on the law and grace says it all, and all through qell composed composition of text from the Word.
You certainly are verbose..........I took it off-line and put in my new text -to-voice program. Now I can read long posts without a headache, of copy and paste it, then hear it now. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your good works here. God bless you always..
You certainly are verbose..........I took it off-line and put in my new text -to-voice program. Now I can read long posts without a headache, of copy and paste it, then hear it now. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your good works here. God bless you always..