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As I understand GOD started the 'count for the Sabbath. There is no scripture telling us WE have to do this every week by any other means ....but just count to 7 from rhe day GOD established it ! This is helping us to look foreward to a spiritual future and eternal life with GOD when every day will be holy in HIS holy presence...rather than harking back to the physical creation which SPIRIT does not depend on. Can you see that PH ?

well that's good that you said 'as I understand God'

that is far better than telling people they are judged without salvation because they do not obey your Sabbath indoctrination

God is not at the whim of Sabbatarians ... in fact, you folks use judgement we are told not to use

and that is not just the NT...what you folks do is not righteous judgement

it appeals rather to those who use self-righteous judgement
 

posthuman

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. Even the serpent gave Eve a reasonable argument against honoring God with respect and obedience.
God says don't let anyone act as your judge over food or appointed days because these things are shadows, the Messiah has been revealed, and He has redeemed us.

i am simply being obedient to that command.
 

Studyman

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He started the count for every other appointed day of the Law by the new moon. how do I decide one day is not like these other sabbaths? knowing that the first time He commands it He gives the exact day and month ((both of which are counted from the new moon)), and it happens to be aligned with all the feast sabbaths ((Exodus 16)) is of interest.

just because a human says so isn't really weight enough. it was unbelieving Jews who decided to call it every saturday in the 4th century when they abandoned their old way of keeping time in favor of adopting the Julian calendar. should we be suspicious of that?

that's what I'm asking.

and the Spirit says, Christ is the substance, the observation of a day is a shadow. it's written.
There are a lot of sources for you to find what happened to the 11 minutes per day difference between the Gregorian and Julian Calendar. You will find that the day of the week was not affected because God's week isn't determined by lunar activity. (See His Word) His feast days are determined by counting the days from a certain lunar activity (New Moon). This is why the Feast days fall on different days of the week annually.

We know the "unbelieving" Jews had preserved His Holy Sabbath and Feast days correctly because God's Spirit fell on those who gathered on His Holy Feast of Weeks. (Pentecost, 7 Sabbaths) It is not that difficult to trace the New Moons back to this time. We also know Jesus observed His Holy Sabbath in His time as well. So even though the Julian calendar was off 11 minutes per day, they were still able to know the appointed time.

I don't believe the Word which became Flesh would give the commandment "Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy" and not preserve His day for those who chose to honor Him in "respect" to a Holy Day.

But I am in the minority it seems.
 

Studyman

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God says don't let anyone act as your judge over food or appointed days because these things are shadows, the Messiah has been revealed, and He has redeemed us.

i am simply being obedient to that command.
I'm sure you believe this. But I'm having a difficult time trying to find what eating bacon or following man made High Days is a "Shadow of". If I go with the Word which became Flesh:

Is. 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

So although this Philosophy does sound reasonable to the unlearned, the only "shadow" men are revealing by eating Pork and bragging about it, or rejecting His definition of a Holy Day is their utter disdain for God and His Creation. And although men claim Jesus is in them, and they know how Jesus felt about swine, yet they would still dishonor Him by this blatant disrespect. And now you claim this disrespect is commanded by Him.

So just so I am sure what you are preaching.

If you eat blood during a pig barbeque on All Saints Day which falls on Day of Atonement, a Fast, you are actually obeying Jesus. But if I deny myself and follow Him and His definition of Holy, and His definition of clean and unclean, I am a Pharisee and a Legalist.

Amazing. But not surprising.

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
 

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don't believe the Word which became Flesh would give the commandment "Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy" and not preserve His day for those who chose to honor Him in "respect" to a Holy Day.

But I am in the minority it seems
the moon is still up there in the sky. anyone who uses it to determine appointed days still has it.

you still don't seem to comprehend my question. it is totally irrelevant whether the change from one calendar to another was well documented.
 

Studyman

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why not?

because you think you're his judge?
do you know mens hearts?

amazing!
I can only go by what you and he preaches.

And it is God's judgments that are important.
 

Studyman

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sorry

you use scripture to provide 'proof' of your opinions

that is not how scripture works

your entire premise of Sabbath or else is false

you can worship any day you want and every day

your biggest fault lies in condemning and heaping condemnation which the Bible EXPLICITLY says do not do ...do not judge other believers by their observance or lack of observance of days and what they eat

however, you do the complete opposite

and you have been provided with these scripture references many many times and dismiss it

so, you know, that is YOUR problem
Beta uses Scripture to create Doctrines, to create her opinion. It's not her fault if the scriptures she relies on for instruction in righteousness expose man's religious traditions and doctrines as not from the God of the Bible.
 

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sorry you use scripture to provide 'proof' of your opinions
that is not how scripture works
The bible says to "prove all things", and to search the scriptures daily,
to see if what others have said is true. We let the bible interpret the bible.
If I have an opinion, it comes from the bible itself, or understanding from God.
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For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding
have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach
men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do
and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

your entire premise of Sabbath or else is false
you can worship any day you want and every day
True you can worship God every waking moment , but The bible
says not to work for money on the 7th day Sabbath, a gift given.

There is also a warning given to the new test. church.
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And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

So as the custom of Christ was, and also Paul's was [after the cross] for us to see.
Also [a future event] is recorded for us about Gods calendar, and the Sabbath day.

"And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord."

Seems we will go back to using [Gods oracles in the future], instead of mans ways.

And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be
the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep
the feast of tabernacles.

your biggest fault lies in condemning and heaping condemnation which the Bible
EXPLICITLY says do not do ...do not judge other believers by their observance
or lack of observance of days and what they eat however, you do the complete opposite
Please show me where I have personally condemned and judged, or attacked anyone.
You seem to be the one making rude comments and judging others for keeping Sabbaths,
that is complete opposite of scriptures. Not sure how posting verses is judging others.

and you have been provided with these scripture references many many times
and dismiss it so, you know, that is YOUR problem
What scripture and subject are you talking about ?, that you given me many times.
Please provide them now for review, if I never responded before to the subject.
 

Studyman

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the moon is still up there in the sky. anyone who uses it to determine appointed days still has it.

you still don't seem to comprehend my question. it is totally irrelevant whether the change from one calendar to another was well documented.
You are asking how I know Saturday is Saturday.

I don't know, just as I don't "know" Jesus was the Messiah. I have Faith that when He said "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy" that He would preserve His day for me to do so if I chose. I don't know that He died for my sins, I have faith that He died for my sins and trust Him and His instructions.

This also includes all His warnings about people, who come in His Name, to trick me as the serpent did Eve.

As I said, through no fault of mine, I find myself in the minority. I had nothing to do with that.
 

posthuman

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You are asking how I know Saturday is Saturday.

I don't know, just as I don't "know" Jesus was the Messiah. I have Faith that when He said "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy" that He would preserve His day for me to do so if I chose. I don't know that He died for my sins, I have faith that He died for my sins and trust Him and His instructions.

This also includes all His warnings about people, who come in His Name, to trick me as the serpent did Eve.

As I said, through no fault of mine, I find myself in the minority. I had nothing to do with that.
dude why can you not understand a simple question?

I made it very clear and restated it several times. you still have it absolutely wrong.

why are you so full of confusion? and yet so sure of yourself.
 

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You are asking how I know Saturday is Saturday.

I don't know, just as I don't "know" Jesus was the Messiah. I have Faith that when He said "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy" that He would preserve His day for me to do so if I chose. I don't know that He died for my sins, I have faith that He died for my sins and trust Him and His instructions.

This also includes all His warnings about people, who come in His Name, to trick me as the serpent did Eve.

As I said, through no fault of mine, I find myself in the minority. I had nothing to do with that.
I gave you that reply because it is funny and sad how you claim to have faith in Christ, while mocking the idea of a young lady coming to believe and have faith in Him.

what gall, what arrogance. you show no remorse or repentance for making a mockery of a failed suicide attempt person , and God using her own sin against Him and herself to cause her to come to believe in His Son for salvation.

I do you enjoy the things you do. I hope you think all the attacks on people just proclaiming salvation through Christ, apart from the law, same thing Paul said over and over, end up being worth it.
 

Studyman

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dude why can you not understand a simple question?

I made it very clear and restated it several times. you still have it absolutely wrong.

why are you so full of confusion? and yet so sure of yourself.
Oh Post. All your philosophy, all your history doesn't mean anything to me. I have a Bible, and I have a calendar. Surely you must believe Jesus knows this.

God's Kingdom is so much more than food or days, these are the least of His Commandments and are the simple milk of the Word.

I read the Bible and it says "Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy. Six days shall thy work, but the 7th Day is the Sabbath of the Lord.

So I look at my Calendar and see which day is the 7th. There it is.

Now one religion tells me it isn't the 7th day any more, but the first day. Another religion says there is no set apart day, all days are the same. Now you are saying it was the "unbelieving Jews" who "changed" the day possibly.

I'm saying I don't care about all these other voices. God is not the God of confusion. I have Faith that He Preserved His definition of Holy and Clean. As it is written:

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

It's right there Post, all a man has to do is believe it.

Jesus made this promise to me.

"But Seek Ye first the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness" and all these things will be added to you.

I'm not going to find His Righteousness on U-Tube Post. Not in man's history books, not in Wikipedia and not in Babylon.

2 Tim. 3:
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When I study the scriptures I find His Righteousness including His Sabbaths and HIS definition of Holy and Unholy, clean and unclean.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

How can a man be trusted with Spiritual knowledge if they can't even submit to the easiest, and simplest instructions to follow?

You are on this forum actually bragging about your religious tradition of Transgressing a Commandment of God. As if by doing so "then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil".

No Post. I understand your question perfectly, and I also answered it.
 

Studyman

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I gave you that reply because it is funny and sad how you claim to have faith in Christ, while mocking the idea of a young lady coming to believe and have faith in Him.

what gall, what arrogance. you show no remorse or repentance for making a mockery of a failed suicide attempt person , and God using her own sin against Him and herself to cause her to come to believe in His Son for salvation.

I do you enjoy the things you do. I hope you think all the attacks on people just proclaiming salvation through Christ, apart from the law, same thing Paul said over and over, end up being worth it.
You are just still mad at me because I exposed you climbing up this troubled girls back to elevate your own self and your own religious doctrines. You should be ashamed of yourself using her as a weapon to beat up those you have a religious disagreement with.

Shame on you. That's Low even for you.
 

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dude why can you not understand a simple question?

I made it very clear and restated it several times. you still have it absolutely wrong.

why are you so full of confusion? and yet so sure of yourself.
I've wondered about similar situations myself. And in this post I'm not accusing any particular user.

But mental illness is always a possibility. Just as one cannot convince the schizophrenic that there is no voice is coming out of the light socket, so also one may encounter irrational people here on CC.

another possibility is that one may actually be talking to a robot. how hard would it be using today's technology to design an automated system that would post on a forum? I thought about doing it myself just for fun, but it seems like a little bit too much work just for the thrill. but they're maybe other folks with enough motivation of some kind. I know they're are sites one can go to on the internet where you can chat with a robot, and if you didn't know it was a robot it could take you a long time to figure out it wasn't a human.

what would a chatbot do when confronted with a question which if it answered logically would lead to a contradiction? Probably give a lengthy answer to a different but somewhat related question.
 

posthuman

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Oh Post. All your philosophy, all your history doesn't mean anything to me. I have a Bible, and I have a calendar. Surely you must believe Jesus knows this.

God's Kingdom is so much more than food or days, these are the least of His Commandments and are the simple milk of the Word.

I read the Bible and it says "Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy. Six days shall thy work, but the 7th Day is the Sabbath of the Lord.

So I look at my Calendar and see which day is the 7th. There it is.

Now one religion tells me it isn't the 7th day any more, but the first day. Another religion says there is no set apart day, all days are the same. Now you are saying it was the "unbelieving Jews" who "changed" the day possibly.

I'm saying I don't care about all these other voices. God is not the God of confusion. I have Faith that He Preserved His definition of Holy and Clean. As it is written:

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

It's right there Post, all a man has to do is believe it.

Jesus made this promise to me.

"But Seek Ye first the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness" and all these things will be added to you.

I'm not going to find His Righteousness on U-Tube Post. Not in man's history books, not in Wikipedia and not in Babylon.

2 Tim. 3:
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When I study the scriptures I find His Righteousness including His Sabbaths and HIS definition of Holy and Unholy, clean and unclean.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

How can a man be trusted with Spiritual knowledge if they can't even submit to the easiest, and simplest instructions to follow?

You are on this forum actually bragging about your religious tradition of Transgressing a Commandment of God. As if by doing so "then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil".

No Post. I understand your question perfectly, and I also answered it.
to be sure, it fits your habit of slanderously bearing false witness, to not know how to deal with a question, therefore imagine for yourself an entirely different question, and pretend that you're right.
 

posthuman

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I'm sure you believe this. But I'm having a difficult time trying to find what eating bacon or following man made High Days is a "Shadow of"
by what you say here I am sure you are very confused.
you don't know what I believe, that is evident, because every time you say something about me it is an obvious lie. I can only conclude that you either lack the capability to comprehend what I say, or that you love arguing more than you care for the truth.
 

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There are a lot of sources for you to find what happened to the 11 minutes per day difference between the Gregorian and Julian Calendar. You will find that the day of the week was not affected because God's week isn't determined by lunar activity. (See His Word) His feast days are determined by counting the days from a certain lunar activity (New Moon). This is why the Feast days fall on different days of the week annually.

We know the "unbelieving" Jews had preserved His Holy Sabbath and Feast days correctly because God's Spirit fell on those who gathered on His Holy Feast of Weeks. (Pentecost, 7 Sabbaths) It is not that difficult to trace the New Moons back to this time. We also know Jesus observed His Holy Sabbath in His time as well. So even though the Julian calendar was off 11 minutes per day, they were still able to know the appointed time.

I don't believe the Word which became Flesh would give the commandment "Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy" and not preserve His day for those who chose to honor Him in "respect" to a Holy Day.

But I am in the minority it seems.
Well, we know what happens to the MANY and we know what happens to the FEW.....no worries friend ! God bless !
 

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the moon is still up there in the sky. anyone who uses it to determine appointed days still has it.

you still don't seem to comprehend my question. it is totally irrelevant whether the change from one calendar to another was well documented.
To stop all argument why don't you do your thing with the Moon and we do our thing with counting up to seven.....we will all be happy ! GOD will sort us all out !
 

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I've wondered about similar situations myself. And in this post I'm not accusing any particular user.

But mental illness is always a possibility. Just as one cannot convince the schizophrenic that there is no voice is coming out of the light socket, so also one may encounter irrational people here on CC.

another possibility is that one may actually be talking to a robot. how hard would it be using today's technology to design an automated system that would post on a forum? I thought about doing it myself just for fun, but it seems like a little bit too much work just for the thrill. but they're maybe other folks with enough motivation of some kind. I know they're are sites one can go to on the internet where you can chat with a robot, and if you didn't know it was a robot it could take you a long time to figure out it wasn't a human.

what would a chatbot do when confronted with a question which if it answered logically would lead to a contradiction? Probably give a lengthy answer to a different but somewhat related question.
Generally speaking, I will agree that a mental illness and irrationality is possible, but for a different reason.

For instance, if we follow the logic of "the law is done away and that the Spirit within the believer at the time of confession is all that's needed", then one has to wonder why do many here study so fervently scriptures to show themselves approved. Approved of who? Of Yah? Why? Such would be mental illness from all parties involved: from Yah giving the scriptures that aren't needed, down to the believer studying them unnecessarily instead of trusting in the Spirit within them; especially the NT letters that basically say the law is no more and to follow the Spirit.

What's the point of even giving a bible at all to a new convert if the OT is obsolete and the NT just explains that the OT is obsolete and to trust in the Spirit? They could avoid the risk of learning anything about the law of Yah at the outset if we just skipped the bible. By this logic there's no standard by which to measure or to judge anyone in right or wrong, and any attempt to follow a standard through scriptural study means one clearly doesn't have the Spirit, right? That they're Pharisees?

So why the exercise in the futility of even studying scripture? Why even provide the scriptures to study? To understand how to love? No it can't be that, right, because the Spirit is in the believer and such a scripture explaining "how to" truly love would be establishing a standard by which to measure love; i.e. making a law to follow. And such would be legalism by definition, wouldn't it; to follow a law for Yah's approval?

Why study as bible students if the act only proves its own futility the more we do it? The entire exercise collapses in on itself if there's no real purpose to it and only leads to spiritual harm. And if we follow this viewpoint out logically to it's ultimate conclusion the only reasonable instruction would be, "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law. love under will."

...But that can be right because that's what Aleister Crowley taught.

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The scriptures were given for a reason. The law (the instruction) was given for a reason.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.

If the reason these were given was to show that we can't follow them and thus prove why we don't need them, that is indeed irrational for some here to believe.