Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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The Holy Spirit of Father does and not of himself, of Father and Son is who he tells us about, and gives us truth from Father to teach us that put no confidence in your flesh.
Father surely did not do this for those disciples did he? No they had to wait? So are you yet born again? Has God Spirit testified with your Spirit that you belong to him yet, being the assurance of your salvation
Romans 8, covers this.
Father surely did not do this for those disciples did he? No they had to wait? So are you yet born again? Has God Spirit testified with your Spirit that you belong to him yet, being the assurance of your salvation
Romans 8, covers this.
isn't this what the regeneration of the Holy Spirit is for and unto?
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren.
He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
(1 John 3:14)
how is it that we have this love?
We love him, because he first loved us.
(1 John 4:19)
so also this love, given to us, a gift of God, is both what we return to Him, and show to one another:
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
(John 13:34-35)
the one who has begun a work in me is ever faithful to complete it!
HALLELUJAH what a HOPE!
Man is the liar God is not:
Romans 3:27 [ Boasting Excluded ] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Romans 14:22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
Galatians 1:20 (Now concerning the things which I write to you, indeed, before God, I do not lie.)
Galatians 3:1 [ Justification by Faith ] O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Faith, belief produces the true works of God, and that is it, Father through Christ gets all the credit and Father credits Christ and together when one gives up self works they praise you, because now the love of God is manifested through you not taking any credit for self, dead to self and alive in Spirit and truth
Ephesians 3:10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
Romans 3:27 [ Boasting Excluded ] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Romans 14:22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
Galatians 1:20 (Now concerning the things which I write to you, indeed, before God, I do not lie.)
Galatians 3:1 [ Justification by Faith ] O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Faith, belief produces the true works of God, and that is it, Father through Christ gets all the credit and Father credits Christ and together when one gives up self works they praise you, because now the love of God is manifested through you not taking any credit for self, dead to self and alive in Spirit and truth
Ephesians 3:10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
I see this as Christ rebuked selfishness not only to them, but to all? selfishness, being the center is what i see through out his walk giving all credit to Father , and never made himself out to be anyone special
If only we as mankind can get get out of the way, being the center, if only we can, or can we?
Not by flesh nature efforts, ever. Which is why I see we are to die to flesh nature daily, as Paul said he died daily, why?
If only we as mankind can get get out of the way, being the center, if only we can, or can we?
Not by flesh nature efforts, ever. Which is why I see we are to die to flesh nature daily, as Paul said he died daily, why?
Amen, Sister to that clarity, please remember though when you first beleived, and saw that love that overwhelmed you, did you ever walk away? Can you do the same today? And has Father ever left you? Will Father ever leave those that Father has sealed?
Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
So if one died tomorrow and was what man calls backslid-ed, not seeing the fruits, and if Father accepted him, would he be saved?
You see when one truly believes, the evil sets out to deceive, to keep the one that believes from telling the truth about Faithful Father.
The enemy can't do a thing about one's salvation when that one is sealed by Father period. Father's seal can't be broken
So the enemy does not want me, you, or anyone else to speak of Faith alone. Nope got to add works so our focus is removed from our first love we had that very first day when we could not stop talking about this love beyond measure
Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
So if one died tomorrow and was what man calls backslid-ed, not seeing the fruits, and if Father accepted him, would he be saved?
You see when one truly believes, the evil sets out to deceive, to keep the one that believes from telling the truth about Faithful Father.
The enemy can't do a thing about one's salvation when that one is sealed by Father period. Father's seal can't be broken
So the enemy does not want me, you, or anyone else to speak of Faith alone. Nope got to add works so our focus is removed from our first love we had that very first day when we could not stop talking about this love beyond measure
Yes to make the choice, to beleive or not to believe
Believe, receive, and see a new
And this type of work does show up at first, then the devil comes along to snatch it away,, but God is Faithful to carry on the work God started in the one's that beleive
And u know God is not yet finished with me and am incredibly thankful for his grace unto me
Believe, receive, and see a new
And this type of work does show up at first, then the devil comes along to snatch it away,, but God is Faithful to carry on the work God started in the one's that beleive
And u know God is not yet finished with me and am incredibly thankful for his grace unto me
That depends on whether Father has accepted us?
Ephesians 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
Ephesians 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
but it is NOT what scripture says.
Well, that is your Latin interpretation, however, not a Greek every held that view regarding justification by faith. Let me add, there are more meanings to the word. When you justify you check book with your bank statement, do you declare it not guilty. Have you redeemed your checkbook.
In the Greek the word is relational and that is also what we have with Christ. IN Rom 5:12, Christ gave life to all men which justified them. It does not mean God declared mankind not guilty. He gave life to all men and put them into a correct relationship.
By the way, repentance actually declares one NOT Guilty of the sins one has confessed. Faith does not declare something not guilty.
[/quote] hardly, if justified it means you are acceptable to God. Repentance, and baptism are necessary to actually enter into a relationship with God. And even then, simply entering does not grant eternal life. That faith that got you in, must be continuous and active or it dies. One cannot attain eternal life with a dead faith.
Well, that is your Latin interpretation, however, not a Greek every held that view regarding justification by faith. Let me add, there are more meanings to the word. When you justify you check book with your bank statement, do you declare it not guilty. Have you redeemed your checkbook.
In the Greek the word is relational and that is also what we have with Christ. IN Rom 5:12, Christ gave life to all men which justified them. It does not mean God declared mankind not guilty. He gave life to all men and put them into a correct relationship.
By the way, repentance actually declares one NOT Guilty of the sins one has confessed. Faith does not declare something not guilty.
[/quote] hardly, if justified it means you are acceptable to God. Repentance, and baptism are necessary to actually enter into a relationship with God. And even then, simply entering does not grant eternal life. That faith that got you in, must be continuous and active or it dies. One cannot attain eternal life with a dead faith.
THINK ABOUT, it is your theory that IF GOD DOES IT ALL, then HE HAS TO TAKE THE BLAME FOR FAILURES, that makes NO SENSE. GOD wrote the names in the BOOK OF LIFE, who WOULD NOT CLING TO THE REBELLION OF BEING LORD OF THEIR OWN LIVES, WHO WOULD RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND MASTER; before the foundation of the world!
Was that GOD foretelling the future?
OR IS GOD A WHOLE LOT BIGGER AND MORE IN CONTROL THAN YOU EVER IMAGINED?
Could it be that HIS OMNIPRESENCE is both in TIME and space?
IS HE OMNIPRESENT IN EVERY SECOND OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT, PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE, ALL AT THE SAME TIME?
THUS, BECAUSE HE IS OMNIPRESENT IN TIME, HE SIMPLY CHOSE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, THOSE WHO ARE CHOOSING TO SUBMIT TO JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND MASTER.
1 Thessalonians 1:5 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
I have only tried earnestly to share the TRUTH with you, but every time you close your ears, because you would rather be proud of your own works.
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Scripture says faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of things not seen. Thus faith occurs before work is ever done. If it is not until work is done, then faith is based on things seen, Which scripture does not say.
Your problem is you do not even know what faith is.
I would not know any latin interpretation. You would have to ask your church.
In the greek, Justified means declared righteous, Or to be aquited of Charges. You do not even know the greek. Maybe your the one using the latin term?
You do not even know the greek. Give it up.
Justified means you are free of the penalty, and will not suffer the judgment,
Again, You do not know the greek, your to busy listening to men. The words translated righteous and justified come from the same greek word. In other words, If your justified, your declared righteous. It is how one is made alive in Christ.
Your problem is you do not even know what faith is.
I would not know any latin interpretation. You would have to ask your church.
In the greek, Justified means declared righteous, Or to be aquited of Charges. You do not even know the greek. Maybe your the one using the latin term?
You do not even know the greek. Give it up.
Justified means you are free of the penalty, and will not suffer the judgment,
Again, You do not know the greek, your to busy listening to men. The words translated righteous and justified come from the same greek word. In other words, If your justified, your declared righteous. It is how one is made alive in Christ.
Romans 8. . . .If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? God that justifieth? Who is he that condemneth? Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us? Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. NAY, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Galatians 3:1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:21,22 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel . . . .
Colossians 2:8-10 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit agter the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And you are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: . . . .
But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless and I count all things loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things and do count them dung, that I may win Christ, and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ the righteousness which is of God by faith: that I may know him and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us there fore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if any thing you be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Amen and amen. . . . .
Galatians 3:1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:21,22 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel . . . .
Colossians 2:8-10 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit agter the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And you are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: . . . .
But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless and I count all things loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things and do count them dung, that I may win Christ, and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ the righteousness which is of God by faith: that I may know him and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us there fore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if any thing you be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Amen and amen. . . . .
Well I'll leave it to the Church that was Greek exclusively for 900 years and your interpretation cannot be found. Greek means very little when you don't understand the theology. Now, if you just keep the word, righteous you will have the meaning. It means to be made right or acceptable. Actually the Church Fathers also used the word "made righteous" not declared justified.
Again, James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The words "and offered up Isaac" is not in Genesis 15:6. Read both verses - 5 Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." 6 And he believed the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
Abraham's faith was not yet accounted to him for righteousness in chapters 12-14. You added works to Genesis 15:6. The Bible does not say that Abraham left his house, land and kindred and that was accounted to him for righteousness. This led him to Genesis 15:6 where his faith was accounted to him for righteousness after he believed God. Genesis 15:6 also did not say that Abraham sacrificed Isaac and it was accounted to him for righteousness either.
Where does the Bible say that prior to Genesis 15:6 that Abraham's faith was accounted to him for righteousness? If Abraham was already in a saved position prior to Genesis 15:6 then why was his faith not accounted to him for righteousness until Genesis 15:6? Your opinion does not line up with scripture.
Abraham did not disobey God in Genesis 12:1-3, yet this was not accounted to him for righteousness. This led up to Abraham being told that his descendants will be as numerous as the stars in heaven, then after believing the Lord in Genesis 15:6, his faith was then accounted to him for righteousness.
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
Where did Paul say that Abraham was saved by works? He didn't. Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.Read more. 4 - Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works. That is crystal clear.
James 2:23 - And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6. It does not mean that he was finally saved many years later based on his works.
What James means by faith only is an empty profession of faith that demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead. In James 2:14, we read of one who "says he has faith" but has no works. This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith. James is discussing the proof of faith, not the initial act of God by which he accounts the believer as righteous.
James is not saying that Abraham was accounted as righteous (saved) by works. Abraham's obedience is not what was accounted to him for righteousness. His obedience did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save his soul, but his obedience proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the sense in which Abraham was justified by works. Paul, when he uses the term justified, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the believer as righteous (Romans 4:2-6). James, however is using the term to describe those who would prove the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do (James 2:14-24).
Abraham's faith was not yet accounted to him for righteousness in chapters 12-14. You added works to Genesis 15:6. The Bible does not say that Abraham left his house, land and kindred and that was accounted to him for righteousness. This led him to Genesis 15:6 where his faith was accounted to him for righteousness after he believed God. Genesis 15:6 also did not say that Abraham sacrificed Isaac and it was accounted to him for righteousness either.
Where does the Bible say that prior to Genesis 15:6 that Abraham's faith was accounted to him for righteousness? If Abraham was already in a saved position prior to Genesis 15:6 then why was his faith not accounted to him for righteousness until Genesis 15:6? Your opinion does not line up with scripture.
Abraham did not disobey God in Genesis 12:1-3, yet this was not accounted to him for righteousness. This led up to Abraham being told that his descendants will be as numerous as the stars in heaven, then after believing the Lord in Genesis 15:6, his faith was then accounted to him for righteousness.
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
Where did Paul say that Abraham was saved by works? He didn't. Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.Read more. 4 - Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works. That is crystal clear.
James 2:23 - And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6. It does not mean that he was finally saved many years later based on his works.
What James means by faith only is an empty profession of faith that demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead. In James 2:14, we read of one who "says he has faith" but has no works. This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith. James is discussing the proof of faith, not the initial act of God by which he accounts the believer as righteous.
James is not saying that Abraham was accounted as righteous (saved) by works. Abraham's obedience is not what was accounted to him for righteousness. His obedience did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save his soul, but his obedience proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the sense in which Abraham was justified by works. Paul, when he uses the term justified, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the believer as righteous (Romans 4:2-6). James, however is using the term to describe those who would prove the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do (James 2:14-24).
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Thank you for reading, and investigating, truth from not me, from Father is being revealed to you
It is not my, yours or anyone else's work, that accomplished what is accomplished by Christ for us. And any works after belief or no works after belief will ever change this truth
I am putting out truth that it is not by works we are saved or to keep saved.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Why, so we can become more guilty as is what is being expressed, and work your tail off in stress? Or respond in thanksgiving and praise and not view what we do as work, rather the imputed love from Father doing the work through us
Where we rest in Christ the Author and finisher of our Faith?
It is not my, yours or anyone else's work, that accomplished what is accomplished by Christ for us. And any works after belief or no works after belief will ever change this truth
I am putting out truth that it is not by works we are saved or to keep saved.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Why, so we can become more guilty as is what is being expressed, and work your tail off in stress? Or respond in thanksgiving and praise and not view what we do as work, rather the imputed love from Father doing the work through us
Where we rest in Christ the Author and finisher of our Faith?