Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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You still refuse to understand the simple concept that free gifts can and do come with conditions.
Naaman was freely healed by grace but that free healing came with the condition of dipping in the river seven times. And the work of dipping earned him nothing but was just meeting a condition placed upon a free gift.
The bible does not teach salvation is by grace ALONE so YOU ADDED the word 'alone' to try and force it to say what you wished it had.
Eph 2:8 says salvation is by grace AND faith not by grace alone or faith alone but God's grace and man's faith together.
Grace is free yet man must meet the condition of having faith to have access to this free gift of grace, Rom 5:2.
Eph 2:8 says salvation is by grace AND faith not by grace alone or faith alone but God's grace and man's faith together.
Grace is free yet man must meet the condition of having faith to have access to this free gift of grace, Rom 5:2.
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So you speculate that if Naaman had not obeyed the instructions he would not have been healed.
Naaman's healing is not an example of the necessity of obedience (works) in "salvation by grace,
not by works."
What if Naaman broke his leg on the way and could not obey the instructions, would God have healed him anyway?
I speculate that God would have healed him even though Namaan could not obey the instructions,
because that would have made Naaman powerless, which is what we all are (Ro 8:7-8) before we are saved only by the power and grace of God, nothing else added by us.
Naaman's healing is not an example of the necessity of obedience (works) in "salvation by grace,
not by works."
What if Naaman broke his leg on the way and could not obey the instructions, would God have healed him anyway?
I speculate that God would have healed him even though Namaan could not obey the instructions,
because that would have made Naaman powerless, which is what we all are (Ro 8:7-8) before we are saved only by the power and grace of God, nothing else added by us.
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Well i am finally able to be back on the line and i come here to find the same old argument. How about i put this stupid argument to bed once and for all.....SALVATION IS NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT JESUS!!!! Enough said. 
Well said Elf! I would add:
Jesus + NOTHING = ALL WE NEED
JESUS + ANYTHING = NOT GOOD ENOUGH
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I really find this very interesting that there are so many arguments over baptism and good works; sola scriptura and the TULIP; You cant believe this theologian or that theologian but yet the Gospel of Christ is never mentioned. I am sure God is loving this. Hey lets argue in front of this "new Christian" about good works or baptism and throw out the Gospel.
I have an idea....How about we find a subject where we can all study Gods Word together. Oh i dont know um...how about the Love of God. What an idea we might actually be able to study Gods Word instead of argue and fight so noone learns anything.
I have an idea....How about we find a subject where we can all study Gods Word together. Oh i dont know um...how about the Love of God. What an idea we might actually be able to study Gods Word instead of argue and fight so noone learns anything.
Well i am finally able to be back on the line and i come here to find the same old argument. How about i put this stupid argument to bed once and for all.....SALVATION IS NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT JESUS!!!! Enough said.
Well said Elf! I would add:
Jesus + NOTHING = ALL WE NEED
Jesus + ANYTHING = NOT GOOD ENOUGH
We MUST depend on Jesus and nothing else!
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One very important thing gets washed over every single time in these "doctrinal" arguments. Satan has this "divide and conquer" thing down perfect. We will argue over these "small" things so much we forget the Gospel. Oh is satan rubbing his hands together thinking "well i got them away from preaching the Gospel". I can only imagine God thinking "are you kidding me? They are going to argue over this again?"
It is the same arguement that came to front last month and the month before and the month before and so on. How about we get four Christians together with a non believer and argue "good works" instead of the preaching the Gospel. Um....yeah perfect way to spread the Word of God. No wonder many non believers shake their heads at us. We would rather argue than preach the Gospel. Church? What church? All i see are a bunch of "Christians" trying to prove their knowledge to each other. If i wasnt a Christian i would think Christianity was a joke.
It is the same arguement that came to front last month and the month before and the month before and so on. How about we get four Christians together with a non believer and argue "good works" instead of the preaching the Gospel. Um....yeah perfect way to spread the Word of God. No wonder many non believers shake their heads at us. We would rather argue than preach the Gospel. Church? What church? All i see are a bunch of "Christians" trying to prove their knowledge to each other. If i wasnt a Christian i would think Christianity was a joke.